Vlastuin vs Wines vs Whitfield

[Donakebab]

Wines and Whitfield were fantastic on the weekend, Vlastuin not so much.

 

[juss]

Wines and Whitfield were fantastic on the weekend, Vlastuin not so much.

Did you just look at the stats sheet? Vlastuin kicked a nice goal, took some strong marks and was composed with the footy. I won't comment on how the others played because I didn't see their games but Vlastuin was good.

 

[Donakebab]

Did you just look at the stats sheet? Vlastuin kicked a nice goal, took some strong marks and was composed with the footy. I won't comment on how the others played because I didn't see their games but Vlastuin was good.

Actually I watched all 4 games this weekend, so yeah qualified to make the comment. Vlastuin was hardly bad (or Dimma would have blamed him too) but it was a real outside game without much influence, wouldn't have him near the bests for Richmond, where as Wines was probably BOG and Whitfield was in the top 5.

 

[Andronicus]

Did you just look at the stats sheet? Vlastuin kicked a nice goal, took some strong marks and was composed with the footy. I won't comment on how the others played because I didn't see their games but Vlastuin was good.

Nothing you have said speaks against what Donakebab said.

 

[Big Fresh]

Yeah wouldn't be shocked to see Wines and Whitfield both get Brownlow votes for this round (Wines should get 3 though Whitfield has some stiff competition). Didn't catch the Richmond game. Whitfield is seriously impressive but has some of the skinniest arms in the AFL. When he fills out more he will be a dead set superstar. Wines is already a gun but has less scope to improve given how big he is already. They'll both be competing for Brownlows for the next 5-10 years. Not so sure Vlastuin will get to that level, though he does look like a quality player. I'd award Whitfield the points long term, especially since he'll be supported so well by his teammates.

 

[juss]

Actually I watched all 4 games this weekend, so yeah qualified to make the comment. Vlastuin was hardly bad (or Dimma would have blamed him too) but it was a real outside game without much influence, wouldn't have him near the bests for Richmond, where as Wines was probably BOG and Whitfield was in the top 5.

Sorry, I intepreted what you said as you thought he played poorly.

 

[RobbyRoy]

I can't see Vlastuin influencing games as much as the other two, but I can see him being a very valuable contributor for the next decade. I also believe he has a bit more scope for improvement than Wines, so they'll probably end up around the same level.

 

[BrockBlitz]

Whitfield is pretty darn good, but will get better with age.

Wines is a bulldozer/jet, he may not get a whole heap better - but he doesn't have to...

Not sure who will have the better career - wines wins his own ball, doesn't have as good disposal. Both are endurance machines. Whitfield did like a 16.5 in the beep, Ollie did a 15.5 @ 90kgs.

Will be interesting. At the moment I'd tip the Bulldog lad from the same draft to end up the best.



Lolz.

 

[eaglespremiers]

Whitfield is pretty darn good, but will get better with age.

Wines will get better with age.
1994 is a premium year, after all.

 

[TigerTime88]

Vlaustin was pretty good in rnd 1. He is a very classy player and it shows.

His final against Carlton was the only good thing to come out of the day..seems like a big game player.

 

[Yelle]

Hard to predict as anything could happen. At the moment though Vlas is nowhere near the other two. I think Vlastuin will be a great player but not a superstar player. Someone like Luke Power or James Kelly. Wines and Whitfield will both be elite. Jobe Watson and Joel Selwood like. Just my opinion.

 

[MightyTiger]

Hard to predict as anything could happen. At the moment though Vlas is nowhere near the other two. I think Vlastuin will be a great player but not a superstar player. Someone like Luke Power or James Kelly. Wines and Whitfield will both be elite. Jobe Watson and Joel Selwood like. Just my opinion.

Lol.

 

[Yelle]

Lol.

I'm sorry Vlastuin is the best and will win 3 Brownlows and 5 best and fairests. How dare I compare him to two champions in Kelly and Power when he's clearly going to be better than both of them put together. Who is Ollie Wines and Lachie Whitfield? I don't care if they look like the two most promising youngsters in the competition. I go for Richmond so Vlastuin must be one of the greatest players of all time. And Conca is miles ahead of Heppell too.

 

[MightyTiger]

I'm sorry Vlastuin is the best and will win 3 Brownlows and 5 best and fairests. How dare I compare him to two champions in Kelly and Power when he's clearly going to be better than both of them put together. Who is Ollie Wines and Lachie Whitfield? I don't care if they look like the two most promising youngsters in the competition. I go for Richmond so Vlastuin must be one of the greatest players of all time. And Conca is miles ahead of Heppell too.

I don't want to say it again, but. Lol

'Nowhere near' Whitfield? A kid who's played a handful of ok games and plays one good game against Sydney?

And Wines? Last year most people had them about equal, and after 2 games into 2014 Vlastuin is 'Nowhere near'?

You been on the sauce all night ol chap?

 

[RobbyRoy]

And Wines? Last year most people had them about equal, and after 2 games into 2014 Vlastuin is 'Nowhere near'?

That's not true at all. People compared them for the fact they had men's bodies and were ready to go, but I was defending Vlastuin all season against the Wines supporters. I was very much fighting a lone battle (ignoring Tigers supporters of course).

 

[Yelle]

I don't want to say it again, but. Lol

'Nowhere near' Whitfield? A kid who's played a handful of ok games and plays one good game against Sydney?

And Wines? Last year most people had them about equal, and after 2 games into 2014 Vlastuin is 'Nowhere near'?

You been on the sauce all night ol chap?

Oh dear. Who had Wines and Vlastuin equal after last year besides Richmond supporters? You're deluded buddy.

Maybe try watching Whitfield play for once and you'll realise what a good player he is already.

You're on your own with this one.

 

[DontArgue4]

Oh dear. Who had Wines and Vlastuin equal after last year besides Richmond supporters? You're deluded buddy.

Maybe try watching Whitfield play for once and you'll realise what a good player he is already.

You're on your own with this one.

No he isnt on his own

To say Vlastuin is 'nowhere near' the other two is absolutely delusional

I'd probably have both Wines and Whitfield JUST ahead of Vlastuin at the present time, but for me he has the best poise out of the three of them, and you are selling him very short by saying he wont develop into a star

 

[a_shot_on_ehlo]

Wtf is Vlastuin doing in this poll??!

Quality kid but nowhere near the other two....

 

[a_shot_on_ehlo]

I don't want to say it again, but. Lol

'Nowhere near' Whitfield? A kid who's played a handful of ok games and plays one good game against Sydney?

And Wines? Last year most people had them about equal, and after 2 games into 2014 Vlastuin is 'Nowhere near'?

You been on the sauce all night ol chap?

 

[timtamWB]

When everyone agrees Vlastuin is a fair bit behind the other two except for Richmond supporters, well, I think that says something.

I still think it will be Whitfield>Wines>Vlastuin. All will be great players though.

 

[DontArgue4]

Wtf is Vlastuin doing in this poll??!

Quality kid but nowhere near the other two....

Delusional

 

[a_shot_on_ehlo]

Delusional

Poll results prove otherwise

 

[ReaperX]

I'd go:

1) Wines
2) Vlastuin
3) Whitfield

Wines and Vlastuin have both played in finals, and both stood up. While the results were different for their respective clubs, both had ripper games, and throughout Season 2013, both players were very solid contributors for their clubs.

Both have great upside, and both should continue to improve.

As for Whitfield, his stats are similar to Wines and Vlastuin, but it can be hard to judge a player who is playing in a team that is getting belted by 100 points every second week. Still, you'd think that once his team develops into a contender, that he will be a vital cog in that machine.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...03&type=A&fid1=P&fopt1=2013&fid2=P&fopt2=2013
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...01&type=A&fid1=P&fopt1=2013&fid2=P&fopt2=2013

Some quick highlights here:

Wines - 18.8 disposals per game @ 62.2% DE
Whitfield - 17.5 disposals per game @ 77.7% DE
Vlastuin's - 16.3 disposals per game @ 77.9% DE

Wines and Whitfield play as pure midfielders with an attacking edge, whereas Vlastuin plays a more defensive role in the Richmond side, so it's no surprise that the disposals per game is a bit lower for Vlastuin than the other two.

All 3 players average less than 0.5 goals a game, so that's negligible. However once again, given that Wines and Whitfield are more attacking players, you'd expect them to feature in the goals a bit more than they do.

Clearances has Wines ahead comfortably at 3.0 per game, as opposed to Vlastuin at just 1.4, and Whitfield at 1.3 per game.

Wines also played 6 more games than Vlastuin as well, and 5 more than Whitfield.

And as I mentioned previously, Wines and Vlastuin have both played in finals, whereas Whitfield has not as yet.

Here are some basic stats from those finals matches for each player:

Wines:

Vs. the Pies had 18 disposals, 4 marks, 3 tackles, and kicked 2 goals.
Vs. the Cats had 14 disposals, 2 marks, 0 tackles, and kicked 0 goals.

Very solid game against the Pies, but not a great effort against the Cats. Still, no absolutely dreadful games here, but he plays as an attacking forward, so would have expected at least a goal or two against the Cats, like he did against the Pies.

Vlastuin:

Vs. the Blues had 18 disposals, 6 marks, 1 tackle, and kicked 0 goals.

Vlastuin plays a defensive role, and is not in the side to kick goals, so all things considered, he had a pretty good game, although like the team as a whole on that day, not enough tackles really hurts the performance.

In terms of raw potential, that is really an opinon based matter, so anybody can say anything they want. But from a purely statistical and factual based analysis, anybody who says that Wines and Whitfield are streaks ahead of Vlastuin, is absolutely kidding themselves.

All 3 players are about on par, with Wines slightly ahead on output so far, but Vlastuin and Whitfield have far superior efficiency with the ball, so they are definitely not too far behind at all.

 

[DontArgue4]

Poll results prove otherwise

Oh i forgot a poll on bigfooty is the be all and end all

 

[Richo83]

I'd put Vlastuin third, but given Wines and Witfield weren't on the table when Richmond's pick came around, it's hardly the tigers' fault that they picked him. In fact for a no. 9 pick he's good vale IMO.