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Hagdorn brings out this Eagles and Lathlain business, but I've never seen concrete plans anywhere. He even infers it's all in motion now. Honestly, it was never announced and now it's gospel to the small amount of people who know/care about the Eagles training base?

Honestly, moving the banks out and allowing for Aussie Rules would be smart. That way you're leaving that option open.

But I remember all that discussion about rugby and soccer at the WACA too. Those sports ended up doing well considering the proposals, some which were batshit insane: anyone remember the temporary grass pitch proposal at the Entertainment Centre? Or dislodging hockey from Curtin Uni?
 
Admiral Byng said:
It's so hard to judge what's the best way forward.

Certainly the ICC rules about a drop-in pitch being there all season is a fly in the ointment. Ideally it pnly needs to be in say October/November for a December test match, and remain in place for late December/January for the Domestic t20 and ODIs. Mid/End of January it can be pulled out and the ground returned to condition for footy, or even a few mega concerts in between.

Even though the test match itself won't sell out the new stadium. it may still be best to play it there. There's a certain element of build it and they will come. Demand for test match tickets at the WACA don't exceed 15,000 on average, but demand for tickets at the new stadium might be much more because it is more amenities for spectators.

But the ICC rules don't allow this of course. And that's the rub.

Maybe CA should lobby for a change to the rules. Some kind of loop-hole where if the WACA obtain a ground in the Burswood precinct right next door to the stadium, they can prepare drop-in pitches on their own ground and transplant them to the stadium. Don't know how to explain it properly.
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The WACA ground has the single most famous pitch in world cricket. It has a value beyond stadium seat numbers.

It is not best for cricket to play Tests at the new stadium.
 
Power Raid said:
I moved into the area in 2000, around the claisebrook cove. I thought wow, this is high density. 13 years on, the area around the cove lacks density.

hopefully they do the new cove, near the WACA, bigger and better.

I can't see myself leaving the area at it suits my lifestyle. Great restaurants, shopping and facilities are either a quick walk, ride or free bus ride away.

The only issue is the high crime and violent crime rate. Rape and assault are real concerns.
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The biggest crime in my 5+ years of living in East Perth was when the Pink Pepper rabbit was arrested!
 
The Speaker said:
The WACA ground has the single most famous pitch in world cricket. It has a value beyond stadium seat numbers.

It is not best for cricket to play Tests at the new stadium.
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The pitch and playing surface are fantastic.

Spectator facilities are terrible, including members area. I'm almost happy we won't get a Test next season, it might force some progress.
 

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Admiral Byng said:
It's so hard to judge what's the best way forward.

Certainly the ICC rules about a drop-in pitch being there all season is a fly in the ointment. Ideally it pnly needs to be in say October/November for a December test match, and remain in place for late December/January for the Domestic t20 and ODIs. Mid/End of January it can be pulled out and the ground returned to condition for footy, or even a few mega concerts in between.

Even though the test match itself won't sell out the new stadium. it may still be best to play it there. There's a certain element of build it and they will come. Demand for test match tickets at the WACA don't exceed 15,000 on average, but demand for tickets at the new stadium might be much more because it is more amenities for spectators.

But the ICC rules don't allow this of course. And that's the rub.

Maybe CA should lobby for a change to the rules. Some kind of loop-hole where if the WACA obtain a ground in the Burswood precinct right next door to the stadium, they can prepare drop-in pitches on their own ground and transplant them to the stadium. Don't know how to explain it properly.
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Where is this rule? I've had a thorough read of the ICC handbook and haven't found it. OK, not that thorough given it's 539 pages, but i've had a flick through.

http://static.icc-cricket.com/ugc/d...2D4B8D59560A80FA18D8F73_1353406591668_138.pdf
 
Admiral Byng said:
Even though the test match itself won't sell out the new stadium. it may still be best to play it there. There's a certain element of build it and they will come. Demand for test match tickets at the WACA don't exceed 15,000 on average, but demand for tickets at the new stadium might be much more because it is more amenities for spectators.
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That's the kind of fluffy logic that's seen the Sydney Thunder basically bankrupt after two seasons of BBL.

People don't want to watch cricket at grounds purpose-built for football because it's a terrible spectator experience, regardless of the improved amenities.
 
holybishop said:
I think it's more the fact that once Subi goes, the WAFC will have no location for it's headquarters as the new stadium won't let them be based there. Partnering up with WACA, moving in with them, and securing government funding for the redevelopment might be the best move for both parties. WACA secure their future, and the WAFC will be able to initiate their plan of having 1 game a week broadcast on commercial TV that's played at the WACA.
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Not really a big issue for the WAFC and really of more benefit to football if they choose another WAFL ground.
Subiaco will still be an oval with some facilities remaining I believe.
Lathlain will be upgraded for the WCE. Fremantle Oval is good and the dockers move to Cockburn.
Leederville has staged rep games and the WCE are to move to Lathlain.
Could upgrade an oval like Joondalup.
The commercial TV proposition at the WACA is good (for cricket) but I don't see why the ground has to be restricted to the WACA unless it's for neutrality.
 
Admiral Byng said:
It's so hard to judge what's the best way forward.

Certainly the ICC rules about a drop-in pitch being there all season is a fly in the ointment. Ideally it pnly needs to be in say October/November for a December test match, and remain in place for late December/January for the Domestic t20 and ODIs. Mid/End of January it can be pulled out and the ground returned to condition for footy, or even a few mega concerts in between.

Even though the test match itself won't sell out the new stadium. it may still be best to play it there. There's a certain element of build it and they will come. Demand for test match tickets at the WACA don't exceed 15,000 on average, but demand for tickets at the new stadium might be much more because it is more amenities for spectators.

But the ICC rules don't allow this of course. And that's the rub.

Maybe CA should lobby for a change to the rules. Some kind of loop-hole where if the WACA obtain a ground in the Burswood precinct right next door to the stadium, they can prepare drop-in pitches on their own ground and transplant them to the stadium. Don't know how to explain it properly.
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Could that be because of the lack of tickets available? If Adelaide can get 153,000 to a 5 day test, then surely Perth could at least match that at the new stadium. Remember too that the first 4 days were sold out and the Adelaide oval was only at 2/3 capacity, so we can't really tell how many we could have gotten.
 
The Speaker said:
The WACA ground has the single most famous pitch in world cricket. It has a value beyond stadium seat numbers.

It is not best for cricket to play Tests at the new stadium.
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If the WACA has some foresight, they would be preparing drop-ins NOW with the same soil and grass so they would be fully established and playing similarly to the WACA pitches now. That was the problem for the SACA because the stadium rebuild for Adelaide Oval was announced relatively recently so they didn't really have time to create fully established drop-ins. Even so, they played pretty close to a traditional AO track
 
Brenton Davy said:
Could that be because of the lack of tickets available? If Adelaide can get 153,000 to a 5 day test, then surely Perth could at least match that at the new stadium. Remember too that the first 4 days were sold out and the Adelaide oval was only at 2/3 capacity, so we can't really tell how many we could have gotten.
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not too mention, Perth population is 50% larger
 
Freo Big Fella said:
That's the kind of fluffy logic that's seen the Sydney Thunder basically bankrupt after two seasons of BBL.

People don't want to watch cricket at grounds purpose-built for football because it's a terrible spectator experience, regardless of the improved amenities.
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Not sure that's apples with apples. Sydney Thunder is a new franchise team, there isn't the experience of a test match involving Australia at that ground to be able to compare it to.
 
Brenton Davy said:
If the WACA has some foresight, they would be preparing drop-ins NOW with the same soil and grass so they would be fully established and playing similarly to the WACA pitches now. That was the problem for the SACA because the stadium rebuild for Adelaide Oval was announced relatively recently so they didn't really have time to create fully established drop-ins. Even so, they played pretty close to a traditional AO track
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Not exactly difficult to get a drop-in similar to Adelaide.
 
The Speaker said:
Not exactly difficult to get a drop-in similar to Adelaide.
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Have a look at the MCG drop-ins now they have had a few years to get established. Plenty of pace and carry. Certainly much more than the old MCG pitches used to have
 

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Rob said:
Where is this rule? I've had a thorough read of the ICC handbook and haven't found it. OK, not that thorough given it's 539 pages, but i've had a flick through.

http://static.icc-cricket.com/ugc/d...2D4B8D59560A80FA18D8F73_1353406591668_138.pdf
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Based on interviews with Dennis Lillee during the cricket last summer while still in his job at the WACA. He explained it at the time as being the reason why test matches couldn't be moved there. My wiorking assumption was that he would know what he was talking about. But no, I can't find any mention of it in that document.
 
I see why Ben Cousins was so keen on WA with the state of that pitch.
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Brenton Davy said:
Could that be because of the lack of tickets available? If Adelaide can get 153,000 to a 5 day test, then surely Perth could at least match that at the new stadium. Remember too that the first 4 days were sold out and the Adelaide oval was only at 2/3 capacity, so we can't really tell how many we could have gotten.
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The Adelaide test regularly pulls bigger crowds, certainly on most Aussie sports fans bucket lists ... clearly kicked a goal with the 1st outing on a construction site - good result.

Using Adelaide as any sort of guide for WA ignores how different the cities are.
 
Kwality said:
The Adelaide test regularly pulls bigger crowds, certainly on most Aussie sports fans bucket lists ... clearly kicked a goal with the 1st outing on a construction site - good result.

Using Adelaide as any sort of guide for WA ignores how different the cities are.
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Adelaide Oval has consistently pulled bigger crowds because it's been a significantly better experience for spectators over a long period of time.

The comparison is perfectly fair and will be even more valid as the population disparity continues to grow.
 
Brenton Davy said:
If the WACA has some foresight, they would be preparing drop-ins NOW with the same soil and grass so they would be fully established and playing similarly to the WACA pitches now. That was the problem for the SACA because the stadium rebuild for Adelaide Oval was announced relatively recently so they didn't really have time to create fully established drop-ins. Even so, they played pretty close to a traditional AO track
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The Adelaide Oval curator stores tonnes of soil from the pitch 30 years ago so that's why the drop in played very similarly.
 

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-17/waca-abandons-development-plan/5162042?section=sport

You can listen to snippets of WACA Chairman Sam Gannon on 720 yesterday morning here. Key points of what he said
  • The WACA has, other than next year, been allocated a test match until 2020 which is as far as the schedule has been made
  • Since 1971, only day 1 of the 2006 Ashes and day 1 of 2013 Ashes has the ground reached anywhere near capacity. The WACA only averages 17000-18000 attendance on day 1 of a Test, reducing on subsequent days. He mentions that, for example, a day 3 crowd of 13000 just wont be financially viable in a 60000 seat stadium.
 
holybishop said:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-17/waca-abandons-development-plan/5162042?section=sport

You can listen to snippets of WACA Chairman Sam Gannon on 720 yesterday morning here. Key points of what he said
  • The WACA has, other than next year, been allocated a test match until 2020 which is as far as the schedule has been made
  • Since 1971, only day 1 of the 2006 Ashes and day 1 of 2013 Ashes has the ground reached anywhere near capacity. The WACA only averages 17000-18000 attendance on day 1 of a Test, reducing on subsequent days. He mentions that, for example, a day 3 crowd of 13000 just wont be financially viable in a 60000 seat stadium.
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This is the bit where there needs to be a bit of market research done. Is the demand for test match tickets being dampened because it is at the WACA? Are people being put off going to the cricket because they have to sit out in the hot sun all day? I'm certainly in that category as a white-boy Dutchie, I just fry out in the sun.
 
Admiral Byng said:
This is the bit where there needs to be a bit of market research done. Is the demand for test match tickets being dampened because it is at the WACA? Are people being put off going to the cricket because they have to sit out in the hot sun all day? I'm certainly in that category as a white-boy Dutchie, I just fry out in the sun.
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This is Perth. Even at the new stadium temperatures will hit the high 30s and there will be lots of seats still in the sun. It may not be the most comfortable but plenty of people survive sitting on the grass bank lathering themselves up with sunscreen ever half hour and drinking heaps of water, and there is an air-conditioned bar on the peasants side that people can go into. You might see an increase in of a couple hundred white boys who are afraid of burning, but its inconceivable that attendance will double just from moving it to a new stadium. There just isnt the demand for it, and we dont have the tradition for it unlike the Boxing day test.
 
Also the Gabba have averaged just over 10000 attendance to the last 2 test matches that were not Ashes. Considering it's a world class venue at a city that's not much bigger than Perth, it's a good indication of what demand to expect for Test cricket.
 

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