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holybishop said:
In 10 years time East Perth will be a prime location to live, with the Waterbank development and the new stadium just across the footbridge. The WACA apartments are steep and only really appropriate for cricket fans but East Perth is hardly a lame place to live.
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Agree with you and Reaper about East Perth. Far from inaccessible and untrendy. But living essentially at the WACA? It just seems a bit tacky. It's hardly like Arsenal's Highbury Square development. I just think it'd be a bit lifeless surrounded by the trots and a carpark and disused space. The direct area just isn't that appealling for an amount of money that could buy a seriously appealling house somewhere else.

The fact that this is being downsized just shows that. If they were selling off apartments for $400,000, you'd get a few more people putting their hands up. But it doesn't sound like a cool, glamorous, or thriving address.
 
Silent Alarm said:
What kind of person would live there for $1.5 mil a year, in an apartment? What a lame place to live, inaccessible and inconvenient as well.
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but I would live there if they bulldozed the WACA, Ascott and the school. It would have a critical mass then.
 
Allgood Awesome said:
How does he explain Eden Park doing it?
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I assume cricket gains control of Eden Park over the summer, as a drop in pitch needs to be in the ground for the whole season to host a test. That's what the new stadium has already told the WACA they won't do.
 

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Kwality said:
The WACA wicket is iconic, not a place for drop in stuff unless there is no alternative & that is the new stadium.

The WACA have the opportunity to stand alone - why would they want to be in the position of say Victorian cricket?
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So they can sell 50,000 more tickets?

Bear in mind that after stage 1 is finished, capacity will reduce by another few thousand.
 
Rob said:
So they can sell 50,000 more tickets?

Bear in mind that after stage 1 is finished, capacity will reduce by another few thousand.
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That's irrelevant when no test in Perth will sell 50000 more tickets.
 
Rob said:
Ashes might. It'd certainly sell a lot more than it would at the WACA.
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The first 2 or 3 days of an Ashes test might sell around 30000 tickets, but come day 4 and 5 when people go back to work attendance will come back to 20000. Will that be enough to cover the rent of the new stadium as opposed to having it at a ground they pay no rent at? Plus I imagine they'll have to rent out the stadium for the entire 5 days, and if the test ends in 3 or 4 days that's potentially more lost money by paying rent for an empty stadium.
 
holybishop said:
The first 2 or 3 days of an Ashes test might sell around 30000 tickets, but come day 4 and 5 when people go back to work attendance will come back to 20000. Will that be enough to cover the rent of the new stadium as opposed to having it at a ground they pay no rent at? Plus I imagine they'll have to rent out the stadium for the entire 5 days, and if the test ends in 3 or 4 days that's potentially more lost money by paying rent for an empty stadium.
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Not sure the cost of renting it out, but these are questions that can be answered at the time. It certainly doesn't mean you rule it out now before it's even built.

I'd love to see what Lillee is referring to as well with this drop in rule. The only thing I can find is that you can't use PVA or other adhesives in preparing the pitch. There is no mention of short term drop ins.
 

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Rob said:
Not sure the cost of renting it out, but these are questions that can be answered at the time. It certainly doesn't mean you rule it out now before it's even built.

I'd love to see what Lillee is referring to as well with this drop in rule. The only thing I can find is that you can't use PVA or other adhesives in preparing the pitch. There is no mention of short term drop ins.
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Nor would you want to include $1 in revenue from cricket in budgetting for the new stadium.
 
I've never been to the WACA and doubt I will ever go. Does anyone have some phots of the inside of the place?
 
Silent Alarm said:
I've never been to the WACA and doubt I will ever go. Does anyone have some phots of the inside of the place?
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And yet you seem to make a lot of comment on the ground and the East Perth area without having actually been there!!! :rolleyes:
If I had the money I & many others would love to live in that East Perth area with the new stadium, GP, WACA, NIB, Belmont Park, Crown, CBD, Swan River all within walking distance!
 
Spearhead said:
And yet you seem to make a lot of comment on the ground and the East Perth area without having actually been there!!! :rolleyes:
If I had the money I & many others would love to live in that East Perth area with the new stadium, GP, WACA, NIB, Belmont Park, Crown, CBD, Swan River all within walking distance!
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I moved into the area in 2000, around the claisebrook cove. I thought wow, this is high density. 13 years on, the area around the cove lacks density.

hopefully they do the new cove, near the WACA, bigger and better.

I can't see myself leaving the area at it suits my lifestyle. Great restaurants, shopping and facilities are either a quick walk, ride or free bus ride away.

The only issue is the high crime and violent crime rate. Rape and assault are real concerns.
 

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Email from the WACA to all members



I write to advise you that the Western Australian Cricket Association and Ascot Capital Limited (Ascot) have agreed not to proceed with the restructured Gardens Development at the WACA Ground.


It is disappointing that the Development could not proceed however this was the right decision given the significant financial risks involved in continuing.

We have devoted a considerable amount of time and resources in pursuing what we believed to be the best solution to fund redevelopment at the WACA Ground. With that decision now behind us we can now focus our energies on exploring a number of other options to upgrade the WACA’s facilities.

In September this year, the WACA Board reaffirmed its support for proceeding with a revised Stage 1 of The Garden Apartments which was to include a smaller boutique development of 76 apartments along with commercial and retail space.

That decision was subject to satisfying a number of commercial conditions of which pre-sales was central to securing bank finance.

Despite solid sales up to November and a renewed marketing effort, we have been unable to achieve the pre-sales target required to achieve finance on acceptable terms in time to meet our commitments for the 2015 Cricket World Cup.

While I share your disappointment, we have given this development every opportunity but the final decision not to proceed is in the best long-term interest of members and stakeholders.

On behalf of the Board I thank you for your patience and for your continued support as we seek to find the most appropriate solution to bringing the WACA up to the standard expected of a modern sporting facility.

I also thank Ascot for their commitment to the WACA and cricket in this state. The agreement between the WACA and Ascot was planned to provide commercial and residential accommodation while at the same time delivering a long-term revenue stream, new northern grandstands and an increase in ground capacity.

Costs, incurred to date, associated with conceptual plans, obtaining planning approval over the various foot prints of land within the WACA and professional consultants associated with the Stage 1 (Gardens) Development, were met by Ascot and will be reimbursed.

Purchasers who have entered into pre-sales contracts for apartments will be contacted directly and their deposits refunded.
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Disappointed doesnt even come close to what I'm feeling, but given the speculation I'm not surprised.
 
holybishop said:
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/opi...as-cricket-venue/story-fnhocuug-1226782439204

Terrible Hackdorn article here though. Multisports though is the only future the WACA might possibly have though. Like the idea of the WAFC moving to the WACA and the state government paying for a redevelopment to get it to AFL size, but knowing Hackdorn it could all be speculation he created himself.
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but they just spent a few million at the last redevelopment making it too small by adding in the grass banks.

who is going to use it to play footy if it retains the permanent hard centre square area? I don't know what WAFL clubs are looking so desperately for a new ground. Visiting AFL clubs could just as easily use the "community oval" next door to the new stadium for training purposes.
 
I think it's more the fact that once Subi goes, the WAFC will have no location for it's headquarters as the new stadium won't let them be based there. Partnering up with WACA, moving in with them, and securing government funding for the redevelopment might be the best move for both parties. WACA secure their future, and the WAFC will be able to initiate their plan of having 1 game a week broadcast on commercial TV that's played at the WACA.
 
holybishop said:
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/opi...as-cricket-venue/story-fnhocuug-1226782439204

Terrible Hackdorn article here though. Multisports though is the only future the WACA might possibly have though.
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I don't necessarily agree with that. Given the WACA own the land and the small crowds that attend most days of cricket, there's no reason why it can't be retained as a cricket exclusive venue. But cricket will continue to suffer in this state unless they shift major games to the new stadium.
 
It's so hard to judge what's the best way forward.

Certainly the ICC rules about a drop-in pitch being there all season is a fly in the ointment. Ideally it pnly needs to be in say October/November for a December test match, and remain in place for late December/January for the Domestic t20 and ODIs. Mid/End of January it can be pulled out and the ground returned to condition for footy, or even a few mega concerts in between.

Even though the test match itself won't sell out the new stadium. it may still be best to play it there. There's a certain element of build it and they will come. Demand for test match tickets at the WACA don't exceed 15,000 on average, but demand for tickets at the new stadium might be much more because it is more amenities for spectators.

But the ICC rules don't allow this of course. And that's the rub.

Maybe CA should lobby for a change to the rules. Some kind of loop-hole where if the WACA obtain a ground in the Burswood precinct right next door to the stadium, they can prepare drop-in pitches on their own ground and transplant them to the stadium. Don't know how to explain it properly.
 

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