Competitions WAFL 2017

[chaddy22]

From the outside this doesn't sound like professional football!

It was to stop east perth from dominating and winning a run of premierships.This alignment is very different then the last.In 2000 and 2001 when east perth had only the eastern states recruits which meant they only had around 4-6 and sometimes only 2.They were allowed to recruit for needs and usually had 16-18 spots for very local players.I always suspected that the longer the alignment went and guys retired and less spots for local players that the performance would suffer.No offence but some Eagles are only getting a game because they are on a Afl list and some youngsters are coming from under age competitions and straight into a wafl league side skipping playing reserves.I don't think it sends a good message to non eagles players but also doesn't teach new Eagles that they have to earn their spot even at wafl league level.

 

[avishka5]

can't blame allignment for our development issues. A lot of other clubs have allignments and they have no issues either. IMO our development team sucks and need a huge reshuffle.

 

[donpyke92]

I like Sheed, hope he develops more though. Casual observation, he can't handle a hard tag (Munns v WP 2016), or a soft tag v Subi recent.
Which can work fine in the seniors where he won't get tagged at all. A little troubled how easily he can get shut down in WAFL though.
..soft tag, hard tag..who cares. Player being tagged can still apply tackling & pressure, not restricted to their direct opponent.
If you aren't getting first dibs on the ball you can still go hard at the opposition defensively. By the sounds, Sheed was blocked offensively & defensively by Subi, (see WAFL report). Blocked defensively is a tough one for me, I just don't buy that..match committee made the right choice not including him IMHO

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[greatwhiteshark]

can't blame allignment for our development issues. A lot of other clubs have allignments and they have no issues either. IMO our development team sucks and need a huge reshuffle.

I think it's very easy to say a East Perth is the issue but the reality is that is wrong.
Our listed players train fully with the Eagles, that's the entire 18 odd sessions per week. The only time they are at East Perth is to actually play so everything sits fairly and squarely at the Eagles feet.

 

[Galileo9]

Over 3 years in and is Barrass the only player that has been developed into a regular 22 player under this alignment model?

Ah so this week, it's not the recruitment that's the problem.

3 years isn't a long time and pretty sure wce circumstances regarding being a strong team has a lot more to do with it than perth alignment.

Also didn't McGovern only debut when he started playing in alignment team? See, one can always come up with a fact to back an arguement and ignore a lot of other facts.

 

[Athlete]

I like Sheed, hope he develops more though. Casual observation, he can't handle a hard tag (Munns v WP 2016), or a soft tag v Subi recent.
Which can work fine in the seniors where he won't get tagged at all. A little troubled how easily he can get shut down in WAFL though.
..soft tag, hard tag..who cares. Player being tagged can still apply tackling & pressure, not restricted to their direct opponent.
If you aren't getting first dibs on the ball you can still go hard at the opposition defensively. By the sounds, Sheed was blocked offensively & defensively by Subi, (see WAFL report). Blocked defensively is a tough one for me, I just don't buy that..match committee made the right choice not including him IMHO

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Correct Sheed does struggle with a tag,mostly due to his lack of pace.At the AfL level he will always be the 4 th midfielder so he won't warrant a tag.When compared to most AFL midfielders his lack of size speed and possession impact will always see him being a fringe player at best.

 

[Woobla Stainz]

Correct Sheed does struggle with a tag,mostly due to his lack of pace.At the AfL level he will always be the 4 th midfielder so he won't warrant a tag.When compared to most AFL midfielders his lack of size speed and possession impact will always see him being a fringe player at best.

Possession impact? Thought he has pretty good disposal.

 

[Athlete]

Possession impact? Thought he has pretty good disposal.

I agree he has good foot skills .I was referring to the damage the elite midfielders do with possession etions meters gained etc.An example would be Dangerfield Top end but Shoey as well his possessions have areal impact.

 

[Woobla Stainz]

I agree he has good foot skills .I was referring to the damage the elite midfielders do with possession etions meters gained etc.An example would be Dangerfield Top end but Shoey as well his possessions have areal impact.

I think his disposal impact is good just needs to get more of the ball at Afl. Danger is a butcher of the ball but can kick a goal.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Correct Sheed does struggle with a tag,mostly due to his lack of pace.At the AfL level he will always be the 4 th midfielder so he won't warrant a tag.When compared to most AFL midfielders his lack of size speed and possession impact will always see him being a fringe player at best.

He's only 22, still has development left in him. Too early to write him off as a fringe player based on size in particular - possession impact I disagree with too, has a lovely left foot and working on his right.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

It was to stop east perth from dominating and winning a run of premierships.This alignment is very different then the last.In 2000 and 2001 when east perth had only the eastern states recruits which meant they only had around 4-6 and sometimes only 2.They were allowed to recruit for needs and usually had 16-18 spots for very local players.I always suspected that the longer the alignment went and guys retired and less spots for local players that the performance would suffer.No offence but some Eagles are only getting a game because they are on a Afl list and some youngsters are coming from under age competitions and straight into a wafl league side skipping playing reserves.I don't think it sends a good message to non eagles players but also doesn't teach new Eagles that they have to earn their spot even at wafl league level.

Disagree on them not getting games, they might work a little longer to earn there spots but they'd still be playing.

The issue is when you drop half a dozen into the same side and that side lacks balance.

 

[Athlete]

He's only 22, still has development left in him. Too early to write him off as a fringe player based on size in particular - possession impact I disagree with too, has a lovely left foot and working on his right.

Fair point on the age but he is 5 years into his career,so I would think past the development stage ,being able to kick both feet should be a given in the AFL.The Eagles are in the premiership window,they are trying to match the midfields of Adelaide GWS Geelong,etc this is an elite competition and requires elite players to compete for a premiership.If you are not in the same phase you can approach it differently ie Fremantle playing a host of younger players.But saying all that lets hope he has an impact when he gets his next chance.

 

[ziad]

Correct Sheed does struggle with a tag,mostly due to his lack of pace.At the AfL level he will always be the 4 th midfielder so he won't warrant a tag.When compared to most AFL midfielders his lack of size speed and possession impact will always see him being a fringe player at best.

is isn't been tagged /soft pr hard in the WAFL by players with pace.

More work effort he need to develop - sounds like Simmo is well and truely on the money and I don't see how this is a coaching problem. go forth and work young man.

 

[avishka5]

Fair point on the age but he is 5 years into his career,so I would think past the development stage ,being able to kick both feet should be a given in the AFL.The Eagles are in the premiership window,they are trying to match the midfields of Adelaide GWS Geelong,etc this is an elite competition and requires elite players to compete for a premiership.If you are not in the same phase you can approach it differently ie Fremantle playing a host of younger players.But saying all that lets hope he has an impact when he gets his next chance.

he is into the 4th year of his career. Of the 3 thats gone by he has only had one full preseason and uninterrupted season and that was in 2015 when he killed it. Sheed will come along with time and more midfield time in the middle.

 

[Barney44]

I think it's very easy to say a East Perth is the issue but the reality is that is wrong.
Our listed players train fully with the Eagles, that's the entire 18 odd sessions per week. The only time they are at East Perth is to actually play so everything sits fairly and squarely at the Eagles feet.

That's what I was questioning. 5 years ago we were told development was difficult because players went back to WAFL clubs that played different game plans. Development is not any better in the 3 years plus since the alignment model has come in. So is it the players that are selected or what happens to those players after they arrive? It is alarming that there has not been any real pressure from WAFL level players in the past two seasons. No one demanding to be selected, not a single player making the selectors or WAFL watchers say "we've got to get this kid in this week". This is when West Coast have had a good run with injuries and averaged over 15 players a week at East Perth.

Ah so this week, it's not the recruitment that's the problem.

3 years isn't a long time and pretty sure wce circumstances regarding being a strong team has a lot more to do with it than perth alignment.

Also didn't McGovern only debut when he started playing in alignment team? See, one can always come up with a fact to back an arguement and ignore a lot of other facts.

Played over 40 games at Claremont but it was the last 6 WAFL games at East Perth that polished him? Really?

You know it is OK to question what West Coast does, nothing is ever perfect. You get over-taken if you act like you can't improve. Don't have to be an apologist for club, it gets embarrasing.

 

[Boohemian]

You know it is OK to question what West Coast does, nothing is ever perfect. You get over-taken if you act like you can't improve. Don't have to be an apologist for club, it gets embarrasing.

But you're involved with the club to some degree - or at least that's the vibe I get from your posts.

So what's the internal word on the alignment model? What's not working?

 

[Eaglemaniac]

That's what I was questioning. 5 years ago we were told development was difficult because players went back to WAFL clubs that played different game plans. Development is not any better in the 3 years plus since the alignment model has come in. So is it the players that are selected or what happens to those players after they arrive? It is alarming that there has not been any real pressure from WAFL level players in the past two seasons. No one demanding to be selected, not a single player making the selectors or WAFL watchers say "we've got to get this kid in this week". This is when West Coast have had a good run with injuries and averaged over 15 players a week at East Perth.
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I dont necessarily agree with that Barney, theres been guys playing well at times such as Adamson, Karpany & Nelson last year and Watson this year but we always get the same bullshit from West Coast about how their not ready etc etc ( yes i know theyre rookies but spots were able to be used). Meanwhile the same guys can cruise around in the WC side and not get dropped, hence our current atmosphere of laziness that permeates the Eagles.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

6pr rumour file this morning was pretty strong on East Perth want out of the alignment and this will be their last year.
Hope this is true especially for East perth's sake.

As for the Eagles we can have a stand alone side in the WAFL and make it a 10 team comp.

 

[WCErevival]

They briefly mentioned East Perth to Simmo last night on 6PR. Almost seemed like he didnt want to talk about it at first but then said that the team is very young even the East Perth players so that's one of the reasons why they aren't performing. He's probably pissed off at the whole situation too.

 

[avishka5]

Even with a stand alone side people have to get used to us getting flogged. All the top up players will be reserve grade players and even few ammo players. Also all the underdone players who should be in reserves would be playing in the stand alone. Same thing happened to Adelaide when the got their reserves side but last year due to a healthy list and few senior players playing in the 2's crows actually played well.


The good thing about our reserves side is that a majority of the lads should be training together and playing more of our style of footy and in sync with the game plan. Really can't see an an eagles stand alone side having success at all.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Even with a stand alone side people have to get used to us getting flogged. All the top up players will be reserve grade players and even few ammo players. Also all the underdone players who should be in reserves would be playing in the stand alone. Same thing happened to Adelaide when the got their reserves side but last year due to a healthy list and few senior players playing in the 2's crows actually played well.


The good thing about our reserves side is that a majority of the lads should be training together and playing more of our style of footy and in sync with the game plan. Really can't see an an eagles stand alone side having success at all.

Thats ok though, AFL clubs are not interested in success in their second tier players. Just development.

 

[avishka5]

Thats ok though, AFL clubs are not interested in success in their second tier players. Just development.

Agree but you kinda need a few wins here and there to keep the morals of your players up.

Wouldn't mind us recruiting a few older/fringe AFL players as player/coaches. I think crows did that with pods and even former player Ian Callinan. Concisering a lot of our depth players seem to be kids, this might actually help.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Wins and confidence > following the Eagles game plan closely.

They would do enough work on the game plan during the week. We have our priorities out of kilter, and honestly my priority would be to go back to the old system of players being split up between clubs. It's not like we didn't enjoy success with that system.

 

[grimlock]

 

[Eaglespur]

Surprised Lamb played like dog shit...