WAKE UP

[Mahlepi]

It feels like we will be on a rollercoaster ride for a few years. In an era where average teams have won flags because we fail at the trade table. Further we waste round 1 picks on injured players.

The club needs to front up and be honest. It cant portray this image of players accepting less to play for Geelong and then scraping in the cap last year.

TRADE FAILS -
1. Ablett. Should never have traded pick 20 for a 34 year old who was injured in the shoulders, and with suspect hamstrings. Should have shown him the same loyalty that he showed the club. Further he is on very decent coin. His form this year for his experience and pay cheque has been less than satisfactory. If this was Motlop there would be thread after thread on his form. He does not run both ways, is looking for cheap possessions, and his body is cooked. He should have been a Sam Mitchell type trade, but Wells was bent over again.
2. Caddy (trade to Richmond). Completely outplayed and let a dependable player go for a speculative pick in the 20s. On exposed form Parfitt has potential (and we dont know if we could have picked him with a lower pick), but his form has not matched Caddy's. This is a fail trade as he has been very good for Richmond, and they feel like they have won, which indicates they did win. One needs to remember we got a similar pick for AC who had emotional as well as physical issues. Caddy was traded when he is exactly the type of player we are seeking. Further we are paying for Crameri and Black, in an attempt to replicate this player type.
3. Stanley. On exposed form at the Saints why would we pay a high price for a player they had no faith in. Look at what Hawthron paid for McEnvoy, and you realise we went for a cheaper option, and should not have stumped up so much for an average player.
4. Henderson. Should have never given up so much for a player that Carlton did not want, had some injuries. We dont need to be the good guys time and time again.
5. Dangerfield. Just play the game, and walk him through. But alas.
6. McIntosh. Why pay for a bung up ruck.
7. Mitch Clark, seriously Varcoe is still going ok.
8. Cockatoo. Could have had Lever and Dale, Bullen etc
This is on exposed form, not potential, and not what if in the future.

RECRUITMENT
Our recruiting past 35 is fine, and hides our deplorable sub 25 recruiting. The Selwood trade cant be used every time we recruit an injured player with a first round pick. The selection of Thurlow, Lang, Smedts are the reason we lack sufficient top end talent. And then we are arrogant enough to trade and release it when we have it.

We need to wake up, and trade and recruit the way we want our player to play. We play with this arrogance that we trade with. There needs to a level of ruthlessness, and passion.

Otherwise we will have a bunch of softies who will enjoy the injury room.

Right now our defence is a rookie or two, a high jumper, a token pick etc and are playing well. They have been developed and are playing like they want to be afl players.

Our forwards are ineffective. Hawkins needs support, and the forwards need to tackle and harrass. There needs to be pressure.

Our midfield woes can be solved. DO NOT PLAY DANGER ABLETT and SELWOOD in the middle together ever. We are destroying the careers of Menegola and Duncan with this crap. Ablett needs to hold his position. But on form Menegola is a better mid, so he gets the nod.

Seriously wake up.

Get a ruck, and play with passion.

 

[iameviljez]

TRADE FAILS -
1. Ablett. Should never have traded pick 20 for a 34 year old who was injured in the shoulders, and with suspect hamstrings.

I can't disagree with you on that, to be honest. That said, I don't think we should have taken him in the first place.

2. Caddy (trade to Richmond). Completely outplayed and let a dependable player go for a speculative pick in the 20s. On exposed form Parfitt has potential (and we dont know if we could have picked him with a lower pick), but his form has not matched Caddy's. This is a fail trade as he has been very good for Richmond, and they feel like they have won, which indicates they did win.

Unfortunately, I don't think we had much choice here - the club did not want to let him go, but he wanted out. That said, that only happened because he was originally asked if he'd be interested in joining a Deledio trade - a daft move that he should never have been a part of.

Richmond has gotten more out of him than we did, but all the same it was a trade that should never have happened.

3. Stanley. On exposed form at the Saints why would we pay a high price for a player they had no faith in. Look at what Hawthron paid for McEnvoy, and you realise we went for a cheaper option, and should not have stumped up so much for an average player.

No argument here. Giving up 21 for that was just lunacy, even in a shallow pool.

4. Henderson. Should have never given up so much for a player that Carlton did not want, had some injuries. We dont need to be the good guys time and time again.

Carlton did want him - they just played jilted lover on him as they realised he wasn't going to stick around. Wound up being Pick 17, which is pretty fair for a quality CHB. I rate this one as a good trade, to be honest.

5. Dangerfield. Just play the game, and walk him through. But alas.

What do you mean by "walk him through"? As in try to get him to walk through to the draft? Do you think that eight or so clubs would have passed on Dangerfield for free?

6. McIntosh. Why pay for a bung up ruck.

While the obvious answer - "we had no other reasonable rucking alternative" - is true, it's obvious enough now that a pick in the 30s was overkill for this.

7. Mitch Clark, seriously Varcoe is still going ok.

Not really. Played fewer than ten games last year and just pinged his hammy again last week. He's just going, if that. Clark was worth the punt as we have been crying out for a second tall forward to partner Big Hawk since J-Pod got old.

8. Cockatoo. Could have had Lever and Dale, Bullen etc
This is on exposed form, not potential, and not what if in the future.

Coulda had Liam Duggan, Corey Ellis or Jarrod Garlett too

I'm not too upset with Cockatoo - Stephen Wells isn't a medical clairvoyant. You can see why he was recruited - all the physical gifts are there - but I suspect that a lack of continuity has hurt as much as anything else.

 

[Warhorse]

I can't disagree with you on that, to be honest. That said, I don't think we should have taken him in the first place.

Unfortunately, I don't think we had much choice here - the club did not want to let him go, but he wanted out. That said, that only happened because he was originally asked if he'd be interested in joining a Deledio trade - a daft move that he should never have been a part of.

Richmond has gotten more out of him than we did, but all the same it was a trade that should never have happened.

No argument here. Giving up 21 for that was just lunacy, even in a shallow pool.

Carlton did want him - they just played jilted lover on him as they realised he wasn't going to stick around. Wound up being Pick 17, which is pretty fair for a quality CHB. I rate this one as a good trade, to be honest.

What do you mean by "walk him through"? As in try to get him to walk through to the draft? Do you think that eight or so clubs would have passed on Dangerfield for free?

While the obvious answer - "we had no other reasonable rucking alternative" - is true, it's obvious enough now that a pick in the 30s was overkill for this.

Not really. Played fewer than ten games last year and just pinged his hammy again last week. He's just going, if that. Clark was worth the punt as we have been crying out for a second tall forward to partner Big Hawk since J-Pod got old.

Coulda had Liam Duggan, Corey Ellis or Jarrod Garlett too

I'm not too upset with Cockatoo - Stephen Wells isn't a medical clairvoyant. You can see why he was recruited - all the physical gifts are there - but I suspect that a lack of continuity has hurt as much as anything else.

Henderson has never played as a centre half back so we payed a first round pick for an injury prone 3rd tall who shits the bed in finals. Not a good trade.

 

[iameviljez]

Henderson has never played as a centre half back so we payed a first round pick for an injury prone 3rd tall who shits the bed in finals. Not a good trade.

Well, call him a full-back then. Because I am pretty damn sure that Big Defender is the role he played throughout most of last year, particularly when Harry went forward.

 

[Warhorse]

Well, call him a full-back then. Because I am pretty damn sure that Big Defender is the role he played throughout most of last year, particularly when Harry went forward.

He has never really played full back or centre half back.

 

[Duskfire]

The only suspect trades recently are Ablett and Stanley. Henderson maybe we paid over for him but he hasn’t been a failure and has been a great get for the club.

I was never a fan of the Ablett trade. I like the fairytale aspect but we just didn’t need him. Look at our midfield last year and add in Tim jelly and that is a damn great midfield. Geelong should have held off and been stubborn and traded pick 50 or whatever or nothing at all. The player we could have gotten in his place could have been someone that could play for 10 years, not 2. If we are lucky

 

[catempire]

 

[Jeff76]

It feels like we will be on a rollercoaster ride for a few years. In an era where average teams have won flags because we fail at the trade table. Further we waste round 1 picks on injured players.

The club needs to front up and be honest. It cant portray this image of players accepting less to play for Geelong and then scraping in the cap last year.

TRADE FAILS -
1. Ablett. Should never have traded pick 20 for a 34 year old who was injured in the shoulders, and with suspect hamstrings. Should have shown him the same loyalty that he showed the club. Further he is on very decent coin. His form this year for his experience and pay cheque has been less than satisfactory. If this was Motlop there would be thread after thread on his form. He does not run both ways, is looking for cheap possessions, and his body is cooked. He should have been a Sam Mitchell type trade, but Wells was bent over again.
2. Caddy (trade to Richmond). Completely outplayed and let a dependable player go for a speculative pick in the 20s. On exposed form Parfitt has potential (and we dont know if we could have picked him with a lower pick), but his form has not matched Caddy's. This is a fail trade as he has been very good for Richmond, and they feel like they have won, which indicates they did win. One needs to remember we got a similar pick for AC who had emotional as well as physical issues. Caddy was traded when he is exactly the type of player we are seeking. Further we are paying for Crameri and Black, in an attempt to replicate this player type.
3. Stanley. On exposed form at the Saints why would we pay a high price for a player they had no faith in. Look at what Hawthron paid for McEnvoy, and you realise we went for a cheaper option, and should not have stumped up so much for an average player.
4. Henderson. Should have never given up so much for a player that Carlton did not want, had some injuries. We dont need to be the good guys time and time again.
5. Dangerfield. Just play the game, and walk him through. But alas.
6. McIntosh. Why pay for a bung up ruck.
7. Mitch Clark, seriously Varcoe is still going ok.
8. Cockatoo. Could have had Lever and Dale, Bullen etc
This is on exposed form, not potential, and not what if in the future.

RECRUITMENT
Our recruiting past 35 is fine, and hides our deplorable sub 25 recruiting. The Selwood trade cant be used every time we recruit an injured player with a first round pick. The selection of Thurlow, Lang, Smedts are the reason we lack sufficient top end talent. And then we are arrogant enough to trade and release it when we have it.

We need to wake up, and trade and recruit the way we want our player to play. We play with this arrogance that we trade with. There needs to a level of ruthlessness, and passion.

Otherwise we will have a bunch of softies who will enjoy the injury room.

Right now our defence is a rookie or two, a high jumper, a token pick etc and are playing well. They have been developed and are playing like they want to be afl players.

Our forwards are ineffective. Hawkins needs support, and the forwards need to tackle and harrass. There needs to be pressure.

Our midfield woes can be solved. DO NOT PLAY DANGER ABLETT and SELWOOD in the middle together ever. We are destroying the careers of Menegola and Duncan with this crap. Ablett needs to hold his position. But on form Menegola is a better mid, so he gets the nod.

Seriously wake up.

Get a ruck, and play with passion.

So much truth and a lot of people on here will sook about this post, we are now along way behind so many teams because of these shit trades. What people thought was the best midfield in the comp is currently the worst, and it’s more than just a ruck situation.

 

[Jeff76]

Im awake

 

[Pure_Ownage]

It feels like we will be on a rollercoaster ride for a few years. In an era where average teams have won flags because we fail at the trade table. Further we waste round 1 picks on injured players.

The club needs to front up and be honest. It cant portray this image of players accepting less to play for Geelong and then scraping in the cap last year.

TRADE FAILS -
1. Ablett. Should never have traded pick 20 for a 34 year old who was injured in the shoulders, and with suspect hamstrings. Should have shown him the same loyalty that he showed the club. Further he is on very decent coin. His form this year for his experience and pay cheque has been less than satisfactory. If this was Motlop there would be thread after thread on his form. He does not run both ways, is looking for cheap possessions, and his body is cooked. He should have been a Sam Mitchell type trade, but Wells was bent over again.
2. Caddy (trade to Richmond). Completely outplayed and let a dependable player go for a speculative pick in the 20s. On exposed form Parfitt has potential (and we dont know if we could have picked him with a lower pick), but his form has not matched Caddy's. This is a fail trade as he has been very good for Richmond, and they feel like they have won, which indicates they did win. One needs to remember we got a similar pick for AC who had emotional as well as physical issues. Caddy was traded when he is exactly the type of player we are seeking. Further we are paying for Crameri and Black, in an attempt to replicate this player type.
3. Stanley. On exposed form at the Saints why would we pay a high price for a player they had no faith in. Look at what Hawthron paid for McEnvoy, and you realise we went for a cheaper option, and should not have stumped up so much for an average player.
4. Henderson. Should have never given up so much for a player that Carlton did not want, had some injuries. We dont need to be the good guys time and time again.
5. Dangerfield. Just play the game, and walk him through. But alas.
6. McIntosh. Why pay for a bung up ruck.
7. Mitch Clark, seriously Varcoe is still going ok.
8. Cockatoo. Could have had Lever and Dale, Bullen etc
This is on exposed form, not potential, and not what if in the future.

RECRUITMENT
Our recruiting past 35 is fine, and hides our deplorable sub 25 recruiting. The Selwood trade cant be used every time we recruit an injured player with a first round pick. The selection of Thurlow, Lang, Smedts are the reason we lack sufficient top end talent. And then we are arrogant enough to trade and release it when we have it.

We need to wake up, and trade and recruit the way we want our player to play. We play with this arrogance that we trade with. There needs to a level of ruthlessness, and passion.

Otherwise we will have a bunch of softies who will enjoy the injury room.

Right now our defence is a rookie or two, a high jumper, a token pick etc and are playing well. They have been developed and are playing like they want to be afl players.

Our forwards are ineffective. Hawkins needs support, and the forwards need to tackle and harrass. There needs to be pressure.

Our midfield woes can be solved. DO NOT PLAY DANGER ABLETT and SELWOOD in the middle together ever. We are destroying the careers of Menegola and Duncan with this crap. Ablett needs to hold his position. But on form Menegola is a better mid, so he gets the nod.

Seriously wake up.

Get a ruck, and play with passion.

1. It will be pick 30-35 not 20 but i agree with elements of the cap.

2. The trade is fine Caddy wanted to go we have slotted Menegola into his role with the same output on half the money. Parfitt looks like being a high quality player win-win.

3. Stanley was no question an overpay for what he was at the time 21 for him and Cunico was overpaying. It wasn't a great draft though so that mitigates it a bit.

4. Henderson's fine pick 16 is the going trade rate for a decent KPP. We should get close to 100 games from him if knees hold up which given our drafting record with picks in that range i'd take.

5. We were never going to culturally pay the salary required for Adelaide not to match and it would have forced us to trade other players out for cap. Trading allowed us to pay him less 9 and 28 is fine.

6. No doubt big fail and if it caused us not to take Grundy bigger fail.

7. We woud have lost Varcoe for no compo in 2015 anyway due to Danger but yes we should have traded him for something other than Clark.

8. Lever is overrated and money hungry Weller is not performing to his $ and Ellis is average. Dale was never rated that high in the draft. The player we needed was Wright but we were one pick short (no live trading then).

I agree our choice of first rounders has been poor (i put this partly on the medical staff though recruiter doesnt do the exams) and we need a ruck and better forwards and Menegola should play full time mid and Ablett forward theres some truth there.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

The only suspect trades recently are Ablett and Stanley. Henderson maybe we paid over for him but he hasn’t been a failure and has been a great get for the club.

I was never a fan of the Ablett trade. I like the fairytale aspect but we just didn’t need him. Look at our midfield last year and add in Tim jelly and that is a damn great midfield. Geelong should have held off and been stubborn and traded pick 50 or whatever or nothing at all. The player we could have gotten in his place could have been someone that could play for 10 years, not 2. If we are lucky

The Ablett trade was overpay but the fact we probably would have had to use the pick for Brownless anyway and we likely get Oscar with later picks mitigates it a bit.

 

[Partridge]

It feels like we will be on a rollercoaster ride for a few years. In an era where average teams have won flags because we fail at the trade table. Further we waste round 1 picks on injured players.

To be fair though, not all those picks where injured when recruited.

TRADE FAILS -
1. Ablett. Should never have traded pick 20 for a 34 year old who was injured in the shoulders, and with suspect hamstrings. Should have shown him the same loyalty that he showed the club. Further he is on very decent coin. His form this year for his experience and pay cheque has been less than satisfactory. If this was Motlop there would be thread after thread on his form. He does not run both ways, is looking for cheap possessions, and his body is cooked. He should have been a Sam Mitchell type trade, but Wells was bent over again.
2. Caddy (trade to Richmond). Completely outplayed and let a dependable player go for a speculative pick in the 20s. On exposed form Parfitt has potential (and we dont know if we could have picked him with a lower pick), but his form has not matched Caddy's. This is a fail trade as he has been very good for Richmond, and they feel like they have won, which indicates they did win. One needs to remember we got a similar pick for AC who had emotional as well as physical issues. Caddy was traded when he is exactly the type of player we are seeking. Further we are paying for Crameri and Black, in an attempt to replicate this player type.
3. Stanley. On exposed form at the Saints why would we pay a high price for a player they had no faith in. Look at what Hawthron paid for McEnvoy, and you realise we went for a cheaper option, and should not have stumped up so much for an average player.
4. Henderson. Should have never given up so much for a player that Carlton did not want, had some injuries. We dont need to be the good guys time and time again.
5. Dangerfield. Just play the game, and walk him through. But alas.
6. McIntosh. Why pay for a bung up ruck.
7. Mitch Clark, seriously Varcoe is still going ok.
8. Cockatoo. Could have had Lever and Dale, Bullen etc
This is on exposed form, not potential, and not what if in the future.

Great list. Don't forget Scott Selwood though.

RECRUITMENT
Our recruiting past 35 is fine, and hides our deplorable sub 25 recruiting. The Selwood trade cant be used every time we recruit an injured player with a first round pick. The selection of Thurlow, Lang, Smedts are the reason we lack sufficient top end talent. And then we are arrogant enough to trade and release it when we have it.

We need to wake up, and trade and recruit the way we want our player to play. We play with this arrogance that we trade with. There needs to a level of ruthlessness, and passion.

Otherwise we will have a bunch of softies who will enjoy the injury room.

It should be renamed the "Josh Cowan Memorial Wing". For all those who are highly rated internally.

 

[Mahlepi]

1. It will be pick 30-35 not 20 but i agree with elements of the cap.

2. The trade is fine Caddy wanted to go we have slotted Menegola into his role with the same output on half the money. Parfitt looks like being a high quality player win-win.

3. Stanley was no question an overpay for what he was at the time 21 for him and Cunico was overpaying. It wasn't a great draft though so that mitigates it a bit.

4. Henderson's fine pick 16 is the going trade rate for a decent KPP. We should get close to 100 games from him if knees hold up which given our drafting record with picks in that range i'd take.

5. We were never going to culturally pay the salary required for Adelaide not to match and it would have forced us to trade other players out for cap. Trading allowed us to pay him less 9 and 28 is fine.

6. No doubt big fail and if it caused us not to take Grundy bigger fail.

7. We woud have lost Varcoe for no compo in 2015 anyway due to Danger but yes we should have traded him for something other than Clark.

8. Lever is overrated and money hungry Weller is not performing to his $ and Ellis is average. Dale was never rated that high in the draft. The player we needed was Wright but we were one pick short (no live trading then).

I agree our choice of first rounders has been poor (i put this partly on the medical staff though recruiter doesnt do the exams) and we need a ruck and better forwards and Menegola should play full time mid and Ablett forward theres some truth there.

8. Lever is over rated now, but we could have traded him to Melb, we would not get two pick 10s for Cockatoo (like to get one pick 20)
7. We traded for Danger so this does not hold, but we could have used the Varcoe trade for a better player as Mitch should have been a rookie selection
5. Why not, given we are over paying left right and centre (we would have paid him the same, just front loaded
4. henderson was too high given his age, injury and form (i would question whether his contribution has been better than rivers)
2. could have kept caddy forward and still played menegola in the guts
1. we traded an early pick, the scraps we received in return are irrelevant, poor deal

 

[iameviljez]

He has never really played full back or centre half back.

Then who took the "other" tall forward when Harry played CHF?

 

[Partridge]

Unfortunately, I don't think we had much choice here - the club did not want to let him go, but he wanted out. That said, that only happened because he was originally asked if he'd be interested in joining a Deledio trade - a daft move that he should never have been a part of.

Richmond has gotten more out of him than we did, but all the same it was a trade that should never have happened.

That's the important part. He was going nowhere until the club floated his name. It's already spun as him initiating the move with Richmond, which is patently incorrect.

 

[Warhorse]

Then who took the "other" tall forward when Harry played CHF?

Not all teams play a second tall

 

[Mahlepi]

Not all teams play a second tall

who is taking all the talls this year as we are minus lonnergan, ht, and hendo
seriously lets not make the narrative fit our view point

 

[Turbocat]

It feels like we will be on a rollercoaster ride for a few years. In an era where average teams have won flags because we fail at the trade table. Further we waste round 1 picks on injured players.

The club needs to front up and be honest. It cant portray this image of players accepting less to play for Geelong and then scraping in the cap last year.

TRADE FAILS -
1. Ablett. Should never have traded pick 20 for a 34 year old who was injured in the shoulders, and with suspect hamstrings. Should have shown him the same loyalty that he showed the club. Further he is on very decent coin. His form this year for his experience and pay cheque has been less than satisfactory. If this was Motlop there would be thread after thread on his form. He does not run both ways, is looking for cheap possessions, and his body is cooked. He should have been a Sam Mitchell type trade, but Wells was bent over again.
2. Caddy (trade to Richmond). Completely outplayed and let a dependable player go for a speculative pick in the 20s. On exposed form Parfitt has potential (and we dont know if we could have picked him with a lower pick), but his form has not matched Caddy's. This is a fail trade as he has been very good for Richmond, and they feel like they have won, which indicates they did win. One needs to remember we got a similar pick for AC who had emotional as well as physical issues. Caddy was traded when he is exactly the type of player we are seeking. Further we are paying for Crameri and Black, in an attempt to replicate this player type.
3. Stanley. On exposed form at the Saints why would we pay a high price for a player they had no faith in. Look at what Hawthron paid for McEnvoy, and you realise we went for a cheaper option, and should not have stumped up so much for an average player.
4. Henderson. Should have never given up so much for a player that Carlton did not want, had some injuries. We dont need to be the good guys time and time again.
5. Dangerfield. Just play the game, and walk him through. But alas.
6. McIntosh. Why pay for a bung up ruck.
7. Mitch Clark, seriously Varcoe is still going ok.
8. Cockatoo. Could have had Lever and Dale, Bullen etc
This is on exposed form, not potential, and not what if in the future.

RECRUITMENT
Our recruiting past 35 is fine, and hides our deplorable sub 25 recruiting. The Selwood trade cant be used every time we recruit an injured player with a first round pick. The selection of Thurlow, Lang, Smedts are the reason we lack sufficient top end talent. And then we are arrogant enough to trade and release it when we have it.

We need to wake up, and trade and recruit the way we want our player to play. We play with this arrogance that we trade with. There needs to a level of ruthlessness, and passion.

Otherwise we will have a bunch of softies who will enjoy the injury room.

Right now our defence is a rookie or two, a high jumper, a token pick etc and are playing well. They have been developed and are playing like they want to be afl players.

Our forwards are ineffective. Hawkins needs support, and the forwards need to tackle and harrass. There needs to be pressure.

Our midfield woes can be solved. DO NOT PLAY DANGER ABLETT and SELWOOD in the middle together ever. We are destroying the careers of Menegola and Duncan with this crap. Ablett needs to hold his position. But on form Menegola is a better mid, so he gets the nod.

Seriously wake up.

Get a ruck, and play with passion.

A bit scattergun I think M. You hit some and missed on others. Love the emotion.

Basically we should not have traded our R1's yet our when we have used our R1's at the draft we have not picked well?

 

[fpm84]

Every club has trade and draft failures as well as successes. Of course with the benefit of hindsight we shouldn’t have recruited McIntosh, overpaid for Stanley etc. But have a look at other teams boards and they all wonder how we pluck players like 2018 AA defender Tom Stewart from nowhere with a pick in the 40s. Swings and roundabouts.

 

[bulletproof]

It is just ridiculous for any Geelong fan to complain about mismanagement. We have by some measures (win/loss) been the best performed club and on the one that counts (premierships) the second best performed club over last decade.

No club/company/individual can make 100% accurate forecasts in their decision making.

We have done better than 16 teams over the decade and are currently outperforming the one who has had the better of us.

 

[Turbocat]

1. It will be pick 30-35 not 20 but i agree with elements of the cap.

2. The trade is fine Caddy wanted to go we have slotted Menegola into his role with the same output on half the money. Parfitt looks like being a high quality player win-win.

3. Stanley was no question an overpay for what he was at the time 21 for him and Cunico was overpaying. It wasn't a great draft though so that mitigates it a bit.

4. Henderson's fine pick 16 is the going trade rate for a decent KPP. We should get close to 100 games from him if knees hold up which given our drafting record with picks in that range i'd take.

5. We were never going to culturally pay the salary required for Adelaide not to match and it would have forced us to trade other players out for cap. Trading allowed us to pay him less 9 and 28 is fine.

6. No doubt big fail and if it caused us not to take Grundy bigger fail.

7. We woud have lost Varcoe for no compo in 2015 anyway due to Danger but yes we should have traded him for something other than Clark.

8. Lever is overrated and money hungry Weller is not performing to his $ and Ellis is average. Dale was never rated that high in the draft. The player we needed was Wright but we were one pick short (no live trading then).

I agree our choice of first rounders has been poor (i put this partly on the medical staff though recruiter doesnt do the exams) and we need a ruck and better forwards and Menegola should play full time mid and Ablett forward theres some truth there.

I agree with you I feel.
On Gary.. the Ablett deal was a two year trade. Id give the first year a tick.. id doubt we are worse off from the down grade. The second year (this year year) is our R2 pick. You know better than most why were not overly concerned about trading it.It would have probably gone of a FS.
So far I do not think its been overly costly. We have played Foegity in so many games..its hard to argue Ablett has taken a kids place. We just had JJ debut.

Henderson was annoying.. because he should have been a FA. He had played enough just not for one club.

I wonder would we have picked 2mp? I agree with M that we have rolled the dice a bit too often using the Selwood justification. Just how many times are we going to draft players then find they are injury prone. .... when we knew that had issues...pre draft. Surely 2e has shown us the advantage of getting someone who has shown durability.

We have a chance this year to square the ledger ..perhaps this is the stone in the sandal for M . If Kelly wants to go do we cough. If we chase after Gaff. If we are clever can we get a chance to pick an early tall..but will we? Listening to the Road to the draft the other day.. there is a few questions on some of the talls in the past few years but this years seem to appeal to the 5 names RM's interviewed.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

Sorry bud... But its half a hindsight piece, who plays now and your take on how we should play.
Trades we made but none on trades we didn't make. Mmm...
Drafting on who we did and didn't draft. WOW thats easy ... NOW.
Really its like talking about my punting and investment choices i've made in the past 40 years in real estate, shares, jobs and bloody nags.
I won heaps and lost heaps... but thats life.
I stopped wasting my time on what ifs, buts and only ifs.
That i leave to my teenage kids, coz thats what they do.
As for you saying the Club having to be up front and honest made me spill my beer... FFS.
It's a footy club. A sporting club. they make good and bad decisions all the time. Like they ALL do.
Me, I'm just rapt I saw first hand the greatest period of our clubs history.
2007-2013. 6 Prelims 4 GF 3 Flags just in front of another great era of 1989-1995 5 Prelims 4 GF 0 Flags
and the third being 1980-81 teams 2 Prelims.
Don't be greedy enjoy the great times coz the shit times will come as well.
They aren't much fun but as they say... It's CHARACTER BUILDING!!
Glad u got to vent though... hope it helped. Me, i just drink beer.
Cheers mate! GO CATTERS!!!

 

[Mahlepi]

Sorry bud... But its half a hindsight piece, who plays now and your take on how we should play.
Trades we made but none on trades we didn't make. Mmm...
Drafting on who we did and didn't draft. WOW thats easy ... NOW.
Really its like talking about my punting and investment choices i've made in the past 40 years in real estate, shares, jobs and bloody nags.
I won heaps and lost heaps... but thats life.
I stopped wasting my time on what ifs, buts and only ifs.
That i leave to my teenage kids, coz thats what they do.
As for you saying the Club having to be up front and honest made me spill my beer... FFS.
It's a footy club. A sporting club. they make good and bad decisions all the time. Like they ALL do.
Me, I'm just rapt I saw first hand the greatest period of our clubs history.
2007-2013. 6 Prelims 4 GF 3 Flags just in front of another great era of 1989-1995 5 Prelims 4 GF 0 Flags
and the third being 1980-81 teams 2 Prelims.
Don't be greedy enjoy the great times coz the shit times will come as well.
They aren't much fun but as they say... It's CHARACTER BUILDING!!
Glad u got to vent though... hope it helped. Me, i just drink beer.
Cheers mate! GO CATTERS!!!

No its not. Its not a hindsight piece But i have had issues for along time with our trading, as we leave too much on the table every time we do a deal. And it now hurting us, as we are doing too many deals to be that generous.
The drafting with early picks is an issue many of us had issues, its not a new phenomenon, and last draft was about the only one we didnt reach upon reach.
if you trade equities and leave that much cash on the table you seriously should not be trading. As for punting that's ripping up notes. You dont sit there with a team checking every option and interviewing them over a few years, their teachers and talk to their parents. Poor form.
Where did i say i wanted the club to be honest. QUOTE ME CORRECTLY. I think you are on the sauce and this diatribe is self fulfilling.

At the end of the day the HAWKS won 4 flags with inferior squads.

Your deflection is why we are never that elite.

 

[iameviljez]

At the end of the day the HAWKS won 4 flags with inferior squads.

Yes, but in inferior years, too. Hawthorn 2008, St.Kilda 2009 and Collingwood 2011 would have all won flags in most other years. Can't say the same of Freo, WCE and Sydney.

Your deflection is why we are never that elite.

Three flags in five years is pretty elite. Besides, the attitude of supporters on forums has stuff-all to do with the way the club is run (if that's what you're inferring).

 

[Mahlepi]

It is just ridiculous for any Geelong fan to complain about mismanagement. We have by some measures (win/loss) been the best performed club and on the one that counts (premierships) the second best performed club over last decade.

No club/company/individual can make 100% accurate forecasts in their decision making.

We have done better than 16 teams over the decade and are currently outperforming the one who has had the better of us.

Its not about the forecasting that the issues i have raised centre on. It is about overpaying for talent. We are too generous and it bites us. Its not hindsight etc
i will repeat
1. Mitch was retired, had mental issues, and had injury issues yet out elite trading team thought it was wise to waste 20sh on that elite talent. FAIL - we could have rookie traded him.
2. HMac body was cooked, and we traded pick in the 30s and CAP SPACE for an injury riddled player who was not worth the waste, and it set off a chain of events (where we potentially didnt recruit Grundy)
its not hindsight when you are over paying for mature players, there is a body of evidence there.