Wanted: 1 Ruckman

[dee-molishon]

I don't care what any of youse say about NN or Warnock, who needs them when WE'VE GOT THE MEESE!!! UNLEASH THE MEESE! He will dominate next season, surely. And let's not forget SPENCER STREET TOOT TOOT!!!

Yeah I know I'm talking shit

Unleash the messe from the payroll and send him back to the bfl cow paddocks of modewarre

 

[bodazoka]

"Hey, My name is 'Badazooka' i tell you what, if you take Seaby for a 1st rounder, ill also throw in a beautiful knife set!"

A knife set named STAKER!!! done deal!
gee I look good in pink flowers..

on topic Seaby >> Brogan

p.s its Bodazoka, for any future puns at my expence.

 

[Devastating Boris]

NN Would become the face of the MFC. He's a media dream.

I don't think we can have both NN and Watts. It would mean probably finishing last but I don't know if we willl finish last. Perhaps Watts could do a Buckley and go to a team for a year with the option of being traded to the club of his choice the following year? I do like the sound of McKernan as a later pick. He can push forward as a target and his brother did have some great games. Come on Genetics.

 

[Natanui]

Athleticism...

Speed.....

Aggression....

Melbourne.

 

[Devastating Boris]

And there it is the first time i've seen him in blue and red. Suits him i think. See guys and girls a media dream.

 

[ptrg]

wow.

 

[oerf]

You're not going to find a solution to your ruck problems for 2009 in this year's draft (or any other for that matter, good ruckmen are valuable for a reason, and that is because they don't develop overnight). Even Naitanui is not ready to hold down the ruck next year. I have heard theres a guy, about 30, been an AFL ruckman for a very long time, who is looking for a gig for next year. Maybe you should talk to him?

 

[dee-molishon]

You're not going to find a solution to your ruck problems for 2009 in this year's draft (or any other for that matter, good ruckmen are valuable for a reason, and that is because they don't develop overnight). Even Naitanui is not ready to hold down the ruck next year. I have heard theres a guy, about 30, been an AFL ruckman for a very long time, who is looking for a gig for next year. Maybe you should talk to him?

well according to grant thomas' philosophy ruckman are a dieing breed so we dont need one.

If you are insinutating we talk to jeff white you better just get that idea out of your head, as does anyone else involved with melbourne

 

[Natanui]

i love how freo and weagles fans take refuge on our boards... Must be a ghost town over their way...

west coast fans trying to flog seaby sleeping out with rob warnock spruikers from freo..

 

[The Demon]

Grimes is a defender or a midfielder, so i wouldn't expect to see him forward much. We'll get slaughter as badly as this year if we continue with a forward line like that, something needs to change.



Maybe i'm missing what you mean, but most sides pick a "2 ruckman side" each week, so you've totally lost me on that one.

Ruckman don't always make the side good, Both of Jamar & PJ are better then Blake who has held down the No.1 ruck position at Geelong for 3/4 of the year. I'd Rate them equal to or better then Hawthorn's ruckman, who will be playing plenty of finals this year.

As for other options in the draft (i'm not yet sold on Naitanui at 1 but i wouldn't be disappointed, but as above good sides don't have to have good ruckman, but they NEED go forwards), Vickery will be gone and WB are likely to take Cordy with their first pick, so after that there is Trengove, McKernan and Roughead who could be taken anywhere from late first round to potentially still being available at our 3rd round pick(Roughead only). Then after that there is Clarke & Browne who are not likely to be taken before the 3rd round.

An option i see us having is the following. Taking Watts at No.1, waiting to see who's been drafted when it gets to our 2nd round pick, if McKernan & Trengove have both already been taken then we might have to take Roughead early, but if either are still available then we could take a risk that he'd get picked after them and take him at pick 35.

Richmond would probably have a dip at Vickery if he is available to them seeing his dad is the weights and conditioning coach down there and they are in the market for a Ruckman.

IMO a potential power forward is more important for the MFC than a ruckman,however I just hope we pick the BEST available player regardless of position played

 

[oerf]

well according to grant thomas' philosophy ruckman are a dieing breed so we dont need one.

And look where that philosophy got him. With the ruck talent at clubs at the moment, I think in the next 2-3 years we could see the re-emergence of ruckmen as key components to their sides success.

If you are insinutating we talk to jeff white you better just get that idea out of your head, as does anyone else involved with melbourne

Unfortunately for Melbourne White might be as good as it gets. I do agree that you can't change your mind on him now though. You'll just have to make do with what you've got and bide your time until either one of your young guys develops, or a new draftee does.

 

[McLean_4_Captain]

And look where that philosophy got him. With the ruck talent at clubs at the moment, I think in the next 2-3 years we could see the re-emergence of ruckmen as key components to their sides success.

Unfortunately for Melbourne White might be as good as it gets. I do agree that you can't change your mind on him now though. You'll just have to make do with what you've got and bide your time until either one of your young guys develops, or a new draftee does.

Agreed, I have zero respect for what Grant Thomas thinks about coaching or football in general. St. Kilda should've won a couple of premierships or at least managed to make a Grand Final yet he couldn't even do that with the best list in the comp.

White's not as good as it gets. If you watched us this year he was surpassed around the grounf by PJ and in his ruck work by Jamar. Neither of them are the complete package but White is a long way from what he use to be.

Jamar and PJ will still be our ruckman next year, so just live with it. Maybe Meesen or one of the draftees will earn a few games next year, but only as a No.2 ruckman and that is even if we do get Naitanui.

 

[omit]

if watts does nominate, melbourne should look at a really aggressive trade with Port, with freo looking to rebuild their midfield Port are the only other team in the first few selections who would look at taking him

something along the lines of miller and jamar for pick 4

take NN with pick one
wce take rich
freo to pass on watts and take a midfeilder
get watts with pick 4

 

[afterburner]

I think what Grant Thomas said does have a fair bit of merit. I think ruckman are over rated as a whole.

Look at the facts. The two best ruckman of the year play for the clubs who finished 14th & 15th (Sandi and Cox). Geelong got through three quarters of the year with Blake and a half fit (at best) Ottens. Hawthorns rucks are a joke and worst than ours. The Dogs are no better and St Kilda finished fourth off the back of a ruckman that they traded pick 750 for last year.

The two best ruckman of the first half of this decade (White & Spider) couldn't win a flag for their sides. Ruckman don't win clearances, midfields do. Ruckman don't win flags, power forwards do.

Name we the last side to win the flag without a power forward.....

 

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Name we the last side to win the flag without a power forward.....

...Geelong

 

[CaptainDavey]

Generally each premiership team has a very good ruck combination, or one outstanding ruckman and a more than capable second fiddle. From memory...

Lade & Brogan
Jolly & Ball
Cox & Seaby
Charman/MacDonald/Keating
Ottens & King/Blake

Some would suggest the reason while St Kilda failed to capture a flag when they were at their peak a few years ago revolved around the fact that they had a very weak ruck division

 

[ptrg]

ooh! Ooh! I know this one!!
Lock in Geelong 2007 thanks eddie!!

 

[TelkoTheGreat]

Athleticism...

Speed.....

Aggression....

Melbourne.

post of the year

 

[afterburner]

...Geelong

Mooney, Nathan Ablett. Try again.....

 

[afterburner]

ooh! Ooh! I know this one!!
Lock in Geelong 2007 thanks eddie!!

2007 – Geelong
Mooney
Nathan Ablett
Steve Johnson

2006 – West Coast
Lynch

2005 – Sydney
Hall

2004 – Port Adelaide
Tredrea

2001 – 2003 – Brisbane
Lynch
Brown

2000 – Essendon
Lloyd

1999 – Nth Melbourne
Carey

1997 – 1998 – Adelaide
Jarman

1996 – Nth Melbourne
Carey

Need I go on?

 

[omit]

Mooney, Nathan Ablett. Try again.....

N. Ablett managed 1.6 goals a game and 4 marks, a real power forward there

mooney is hardly a power forward only averageing 2.7 goals a game. infact he is only kicking 2.2 a game this year even though Geelong are a stronger team

 

[2 Dogs]

I think the point people are often forgetting about Naita is the impact he will have around the ground. His second and third efforts are far superior to that of Jamar, think PJ's chase of Sherman multiplied. Kreuzer has had a solid year for a slightly built big man at the blues, and NickNat domnated him. While watching the videos of Naita its not his skills or jump that impress me, its his chasedowns and aggressive tackles that really opened my eyes to how good he could be. You can't suceed on leap alone, football today is dominated by selflessness and 1 percenters, which Naita has shown he has.

Of course our prayers will be answered if Watts doesn't nominate, because chances are high that we won't be moving very far up the ladder next year, which could potentially garner us pick 1/2 which we could use for Watts plus best available midfielder, plus Naita plus our established players fully fit, and 2 years under Morton, 2010 will see slight improvement, maybe Carltonesque, then a push towards finals 2011, then a push for top 4 2012.

I still hold out hope for Meesen. I'm not prepared to write off blokes younger than me (I'm 22 for those playing at home) and he has the athleticism to play, just needs a brain wakeup.

 

[McLean_4_Captain]

Ruckman don't win flags, power forwards do.

Name we the last side to win the flag without a power forward.....

Mooney kicked 67 goals last year if you didn't realise to those saying Geelong. This year he's only kicked 49 but has something stupidly high like 51 goal assists, which ranks him 3rd for goals contributed behind Buddy & Fev.

I've made this argument at least twice before. The last team to do it was Adelaide in '98 who's high goal kicker was Jarman with 45(also the last team to win without any one player kicking over 50 goals for the season).

So with Watts, Rich & Naitanui hard to seperate for which is better in their particular area, this is why we should take Watts. Power forwards win premierships, not ruckman

 

[afterburner]

Mooney kicked 67 goals last year if you didn't realise to those saying Geelong. This year he's only kicked 49 but has something stupidly high like 51 goal assists, which ranks him 3rd for goals contributed behind Buddy & Fev.

I've made this argument at least twice before. The last team to do it was Adelaide in '98 who's high goal kicker was Jarman with 45(also the last team to win without any one player kicking over 50 goals for the season).

So with Watts, Rich & Naitanui hard to seperate for which is better in their particular area, this is why we should take Watts. Power forwards win premierships, not ruckman

Shhhh. Keep that to yourself M4C.

Have a look at the top 8 and look at and compare their rucks vs their forward lines. Their Ruckman aren't driving them up the ladder.....

If you rate rucks this year it goes Cox, then toss the coin between Sandilands and Hille. How much impact have they had on their sides?

 

[oerf]

I think what Grant Thomas said does have a fair bit of merit. I think ruckman are over rated as a whole.

Look at the facts. The two best ruckman of the year play for the clubs who finished 14th & 15th (Sandi and Cox). Geelong got through three quarters of the year with Blake and a half fit (at best) Ottens. Hawthorns rucks are a joke and worst than ours. The Dogs are no better and St Kilda finished fourth off the back of a ruckman that they traded pick 750 for last year.

The two best ruckman of the first half of this decade (White & Spider) couldn't win a flag for their sides. Ruckman don't win clearances, midfields do. Ruckman don't win flags, power forwards do.

Name we the last side to win the flag without a power forward.....

Football is a team game. One player does not make a team. If you want to look at the 14th and 15th team this year, they also have something else in common - a poor midfield. Fremantle's midfield underwent major changes this season and the results were there for everyone to see, going from the worst clearance side to regularly winning clearances.

A dominant ruckman who can give first use of the ball to a talented midfield is priceless. The ability to move forward and provide a target or to fill holes in the backline is also worth a lot. Teams who don't have a good ruckman (ala St Kilda and Grant Thomas) tend to undervalue them.