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Europe War in Ukraine - Thread 4 - thread rules updated

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This is the thread for discussing the War in Ukraine. Should you want to discuss the geopolitics, the history, or an interesting tangent, head over here:


If a post isn't directly concerning the events of the war or starts to derail the thread, report the post to us and we'll move it over there.

Seeing as multiple people seem to have forgotten, abuse is against the rules of BF. Continuous, page long attacks directed at a single poster in this thread will result in threadbans for a week from this point; doing so again once you have returned will make the bans permanent and will be escalated to infractions.

This thread still has misinformation rules, and occasionally you will be asked to demonstrate a claim you have made by moderation. If you cannot, you will be offered the opportunity to amend the post to reflect that it's opinion, to remove the post, or you will be threadbanned and infracted for sharing misinformation.

Addendum: from this point, use of any variant of the word 'orc' to describe combatants, politicians or russians in general will be deleted and the poster will receive a warning. If the behaviour continues, it will be escalated. Consider this fair warning.

Finally: If I see the word Nazi or Hitler being flung around, there had better have a good faith basis as to how it's applicable to the Russian invasion - as in, video/photographic evidence of POW camps designed to remove another ethnic group - or to the current Ukrainian army. If this does not occur, you will be threadbanned for posting off topic

This is a sensitive area, and I understand that this makes for fairly incensed conversation sometimes. This does not mean the rules do not apply, whether to a poster positing a Pro-Ukraine stance or a poster positing an alternative view.

Behave, people.
 
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"We will send them Patriots, which they desperately need, because Putin really surprised a lot of people," Mr Trump said. "He talks nice, and then bombs everybody in the evening."

Yeah no sh*t, Donald, that's what Putin does.
 
TACO. Pathetic, but at least there are arms of some sort.





 
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If russian loving little rubio says the russian losses are 100,000 i think we can double that.
He's most likely conveying estimates from the Pentagon or DIA. They would be fairly accurate IMO.

I'd ask for evidence that Rubio is "russian loving", but know you won't be able to provide it.
 

So if the USA tariffs do go ahead they will have to find alternative sources (biggest exporters):
  • Fertilizers (Russia, China & Canada)
  • Platinum (South Africa, Russia, UK)
  • Radioactive chemicals (Kazakhstan, Russia, Canada)
  • Plywood (China, Russia)
  • Machinery unknown?
The US shouldn't have a problem negotiating with China (34% tariff), Canada (35%), South Africa (30%) and Kazakhstan (27%)????
 

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Interpol Detains Crimean Tatar in France at Request of Russian Special Services


Russian special services systematically use Interpol for political persecution of Crimean Tatars, disguising it as criminal proceedings. Even those who have long since left Crimea and are protected in the EU countries are targeted.

This was reported by the Crimean Tatar Resource Center.

Crimean Tatar Ilnur Shahayev was detained in France at the request of Russia. He is 33 years old, he left Crimea with his family before the full-scale invasion and now has temporary protection in Ireland. He was detained while boarding a ferry to the UK. He was put on the wanted list after leaving the occupied peninsula.

The occupiers accused Shahayev of having ties to banned organizations. But the CTRC is convinced that this is another example of political persecution.

According to the Chairman of the Board of the CTRC Eskender Bariev, Russian security forces deliberately do not report criminal cases so that a person can be detained while traveling and then extradited.

"We have to prove that the reports that Russia is submitting are mostly politically motivated. But Russia is a large country in terms of territory, it pays its dues, so I doubt that it will be possible to completely exclude it from Interpol." Bariev noted.

The Center emphasized that Russia regularly abuses Interpol to persecute Crimean Tatars and urges everyone who has left the occupied Crimea to check their data in international databases.

CTRC lawyer Lyudmyla Korotkikh added that in a number of cases, people did not even know that they were wanted. To avoid this, she advised checking the information in advance.

Although in 2022 Interpol partially limited the capabilities of the Russian Federation, it is still difficult to completely exclude it from the organization, as this requires the support of two-thirds of the member states.

As of July 2025, 260 political prisoners were held in Russian prisons and pre-trial detention centers, 153 of whom were Crimean Tatars. Since 2014, the Crimean Tatar Resource Center has recorded 413 cases of politically motivated persecution. In the first half of 2025 alone, almost 100 people were arrested in Crimea, half of whom are Crimean Tatars.
 
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TACO. Pathetic, but at least there are arms of some sort.






Oh no, dont, stop.

This is the big thing Trump was telling everyone he was going to announce?

50 days is the new 2 weeks which would just get extended.

And correct me if l am wrong but isn’t 100% tariffs on **** all trade still **** all?
 
Oh no, dont, stop.

This is the big thing Trump was telling everyone he was going to announce?

50 days is the new 2 weeks which would just get extended.

And correct me if l am wrong but isn’t 100% tariffs on ** all trade still ** all?
100% tariffs is a response to another entity cutting in your trade territory.
It's not commensurate with another entity performing a deliberate genocide.
Caolan Robertson thinks 500% would be more applicable.

I know that the concept of using Europe as a xdock for arms is kind of a big deal, but overall I reckon the most promising take-away is the tonal shift ... which of course is very, very fluid when it comes to Donald Trump.
 
First Lady Melania Trump trying to prise open the president's eyes.

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President of the United States getting his world news affairs from his wife rather than his aides and administration.

Makes sense…..
 
Trumps TACO future non-tariffs are to distract everyone from the fact that he asked Congress not to proceed with their own sanctions.

So Putin gets no sanctions, Congress ends their crusade and in 50 days, Trump will back down like he always does.

Putin will go on murdering and Trump is looking weaker than Biden by the day.
 
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