Was it the Crows??

[macca23]

Heard a regular 5AA listener and caller named "Malcolm" (a Port supporter - ugh) on the daily rumour file, and he was saying that a certain SA AFL club had been investigated by the AFL in terms of it's salary cap, and in particular to a certain aspect of the cap. The investigations are complete and the all clear has been given.

Malcolm is usually pretty accurate with his rumours and obviously has some pretty good sources. His rumour co-incides with one I was told a few weeks by someone closely connected with the Crows that the AFL were examining their books to see what impact the Bickley testimonial had, as that still has to be included in the cap, although the money doesn't come out of purely club coffers.

Going by the disappointment in Malcolm's voice I'm sure that it is this investigation he is referring to. Nice to see that the Crows have been totally cleared of even an accidental breach of the salary cap, but this is also probably the reason why we didn't paticipate in the pre-season draft. As KG kept saying repeatedly before going on holidays, a certain Victorian based club is not likely to get the same thumbs up in the New Year!!

 

[ok.crows]

Originally posted by macca23
Heard a regular 5AA listener and caller named "Malcolm" (a Port supporter - ugh) on the daily rumour file, and he was saying that a certain SA AFL club had been investigated by the AFL in terms of it's salary cap, and in particular to a certain aspect of the cap. The investigations are complete and the all clear has been given.

Malcolm is usually pretty accurate with his rumours and obviously has some pretty good sources. His rumour co-incides with one I was told a few weeks by someone closely connected with the Crows that the AFL were examining their books to see what impact the Bickley testimonial had, as that still has to be included in the cap, although the money doesn't come out of purely club coffers.

Going by the disappointment in Malcolm's voice I'm sure that it is this investigation he is referring to. Nice to see that the Crows have been totally cleared of even an accidental breach of the salary cap, but this is also probably the reason why we didn't paticipate in the pre-season draft. As KG kept saying repeatedly before going on holidays, a certain Victorian based club is not likely to get the same thumbs up in the New Year!!

Quite a few clubs were precluded from participation in this years preseason draft, because the AFL had determined they were too close to the salary cap.

Adelaide was not one of those clubs - they were given a green light to have a pick in the preseason draft if they were so inclined.

If Adelaide weren't close to the cap, why would Adelaide have been the club under investigation? More likely to have been Port, with big names like Tredrea & Primus & getting Hardwick (&Wanganeen I suppose) from Bombers & re-signing of both Cornes.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by macca23
... a certain Victorian based club is not likely to get the same thumbs up in the New Year!!

I have a funny feeling that Tigers will be in trouble. Think about it, they didn't have enough room to sign Torney but ended up signing up Kane Johnson and Blumfield from essendon. Sounds pretty fishy to me. Saints also seem to be carrying a few players with heavy contracts. I guess we will have to wait and see.

Keep up the good work macca, 5aa is pretty good source when it comes to Adelaide teams.

 

[macca23]

Re: Re: Was it the Crows??

Originally posted by ok.crows
Quite a few clubs were precluded from participation in this years preseason draft, because the AFL had determined they were too close to the salary cap.

Adelaide was not one of those clubs - they were given a green light to have a pick in the preseason draft if they were so inclined.

If Adelaide weren't close to the cap, why would Adelaide have been the club under investigation? More likely to have been Port, with big names like Tredrea & Primus & getting Hardwick (&Wanganeen I suppose) from Bombers & re-signing of both Cornes.

Actually, on reflection you are right that this wouldn't be the reason for us not making a selection at the preseason draft. The green light to have a pick in the preseason draft and an investigation of the actual amounts paid under the cap are not one and the same. Clubs submit their estimate of player payments for the year coming up, and the AFL check those estimates against the documentation that has to be lodged with them previously for each contracted player. Based on these estimates, the AFL either gives a green or a red light to each club for the preseason draft. As you correctly said, Adelaide's estimates of it's 2003 salary cap were confirmed by the AFL and would have allowed it to have a pick.

However, back to the rumour side of it, the investigation that was done related to the 2002 salary cap - what was actually paid to the players. Not for the 2003 year coming up. I still think that it relates to Adelaide and not Port Adelaide, because of the monies paid to Mark Bickley as part of his testimonial, which is what I heard from a good source a few weeks back. I hope it is Adelaide as the investigation has totally cleared the club involved and found that all payments made to players are within the limits of the salary cap.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Interesting stuff. I feel confident that both SA based AFL clubs are under control when it comes to player payments. Neither are paying players ridiculous sums of money like some other clubs (eg. Carlton with Kouta, Richmond with Gasper, etc) & keeping salaries in check as they have good administrators running their clubs. Perhaps given a proud Victorian club such as Carlton has been done they feel they should look for an interstate side. Now Freo appear to have their cap under control, I don't like their chances, as I think it is only a few Melbourne clubs that are running close to the bone (ie. Tigers, Demons & Bombers).

 

[Crow54]

I didn't hear this rumour, as I haven't been able to listen to the radio as often as I would like recently.

If it was the Malcolm who constantly phones in, I'm pretty sure he's a Crows supporter. He's also a Norwood supporter.

I've also heard a whisper about some investigations into how Matthew Robran's salary was organised after he retired from playing, and was re-employed under the "admin" umbrella.

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by Crow54
I've also heard a whisper about some investigations into how Matthew Robran's salary was organised after he retired from playing, and was re-employed under the "admin" umbrella.

Forgot about that one but you are right - there was an investigation into that one because Robran retired with a year on his contract to go, and was re-employed as the PR man in place of Triggy. The question was raised as to whether some or all of his playing contract money had really been rolled into the salary of his new position. My understanding was that one had also been cleared.

 

[Port01]

Re: Re: Was it the Crows??

Originally posted by ok.crows

If Adelaide weren't close to the cap, why would Adelaide have been the club under investigation? More likely to have been Port, with big names like Tredrea & Primus & getting Hardwick (&Wanganeen I suppose) from Bombers & re-signing of both Cornes.

Are you saying Tredrea and Primus are bigger names than McCleod and Riccuito, that getting Wanganeen and Hardwick were bigger signings than Carey and Burns, and that resigning the Cornes boys was more significant than resigning whoever the camries resigned recently.

Didnt think so

Regardless, the cap investigations are normally about what went on last year, not what may happen this year.

 

[DaveW]

Re: Re: Re: Was it the Crows??

Originally posted by Port01
Are you saying Tredrea and Primus are bigger names than McCleod and Riccuito

Possibly, since the former pair get their names spelt correctly.

 

[ok.crows]

Re: Re: Re: Was it the Crows??

Originally posted by Port01
Are you saying Tredrea and Primus are bigger names than McCleod and Riccuito, that getting Wanganeen and Hardwick were bigger signings than Carey and Burns, and that resigning the Cornes boys was more significant than resigning whoever the camries resigned recently.

Didnt think so

You presume too much, to answer for me.

In terms of the threat to Port in regard keeping the named players on their list, then indeed I am saying all of those things ... except for McLeod.

McLeod is the one genuine big name on the Crows list, possibly a bigger name than Tredrea or Primus, in terms of contract value.

And certainly re-signing Chad Cornes (not so much Kane) was a bigger deal (in terms of keeping the player at the club) than any at the Crows recently - given that the Crows actually failed to re-sign Johnson.

Finally, Carey decided that he wanted to play for the Crows mostly because he felt that was the best option for him to get back to playing good footy ... he isn't actually on that much money compared with other Crows players, even though Carey has by far & away a much higher profile. As for Burns - part of his money is paid by Geelong and that is part of the reason why Crows took him on - hardly in the same league as signing Wanganeen & Hardwick.

 

[Bombers 2003]

Was it the Crows.

Stiffed,what do you mean by your insinuation about Vic Clubs?.

 

[snakebite01]

I don't think there is anyway we are over the cap intentionally. Whenever Steven Trigg is asked about Salary Cap breaches he is extremely comfortable. He even agreed that premiership points should be docked if the breaches were too much in future years whereas others (such as BC) said it was too harsh.

 

[crowsfan]

Re: Was it the Crows.

Originally posted by Bombers 2003
Stiffed,what do you mean by your insinuation about Vic Clubs?.

What are you talking about there? Still hungover over a good Xmas hey?

 

[Bombers 2003]

Re: Re: Was it the Crows.

Originally posted by crowsfan
What are you talking about there? Still hungover over a good Xmas hey?

Sorry it was Macca 23's insinuation.

 

[MarksGirl-kbcrowgirl]

I don't think either SA club is over the salary cap. If they are I would be very suprised. The AFL has to look as if they are doing the right thing so they probably did do a quick audit of one of the SA clubs just so the Vics can't cry being picked on. The clear difference at the Crows and Powder is they are run by decent administrators...................not a feral cigarette smoker and boozer like Carlton once were.

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