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I must be out of touch.. but what is the point of character references. They should have no bearing on the sentence. Just fairy dust aimed to distract. We know Gaffs a good bloke, but there are consequences for 'split second' dumb decisions. Just shut up and take your medicine. People hate on Bugg but at least he was smart enough to read the breeze before he walked into the tribunal
 
I genuinely don't like Gleeson.

His job isn't to be a prosecutor, and he absolutely mauls players. The Gaff thing, I understand, but he has pulled off some absolute stitchups before.

He's acting for the AFL isnt he? In other words, he's the 'prosecution'.

Its his job to stitch up players in these proceedings.
 

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Why is character evidence being heard? Last year the AFL said the Tribunal was "not a referendum on Bachar Houli as a person" and disregarded his character references as it "might set a dangerous precedent".

Just judge the act and be done with it.
 
I must be out of touch.. but what is the point of character references. They should have no bearing on the sentence. Just fairy dust aimed to distract. We know Gaffs a good bloke, but there are consequences for 'split second' dumb decisions. Just shut up and take your medicine. People hate on Bugg but at least he was smart enough to read the breeze before he walked into the tribunal
They count for a lot sadly, when it comes to sentencing.

It's one area that massively tilts justice in the favour of the wealthy and respected.
 
Why is character evidence being heard? Last year the AFL said the Tribunal was "not a referencdum on Bachar Houli as a person" and disregarded his character references as it "might set a dangerous precedent".

Just judge the act and be done with it.
I get the feeling this is where people learned their deflection skills. It can't, can't be a coincidence.
 
This makes it worse than Barry Hall.

If Gaff is saying that he was just trying to push him off (that part is a lie) in the chest (as I believe he tried) but failed, what's there to stop him from don't it again accidentally and doing something even worse next time?

In fact if you slow it down and watch Gaff's left arm is it was still in backward motion before Brayshaw head is at its lowest point. If Brayshaw doesn't lower his head there is a possibility the punch may have landed on his throat, crushing his Larynx and possibly killing him.

Is Gaff truly remorseful? Does he understand the implications of his actions, the severity of them, the potential of even greater injury and that no circumstances (especially been checked for tagging) are legitimate excuses?

My verdict... 16 weeks.
 
Looks like I offended the lawyer.

Nah. Just saying, you're all free to undertake 5 gruesome years of law school for the privilege of entering a market saturated with young lawyers and struggle to get a job.

It's competitive beyond belief, and a pain in the arse to qualify for. We deserve the money.

And youre always free to represent yourself remember ;)
 
Why is character evidence being heard? Last year the AFL said the Tribunal was "not a referendum on Bachar Houli as a person" and disregarded his character references as it "might set a dangerous precedent".

Just judge the act and be done with it.[/QUOTE]
The act is a little 'inconvenient'.
 

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Then what the **** is the point of him attending?

And why is he even talking at the moment for? Why is he being cross examined and giving evidence?

He's already admitted the charge!

Mate, youre so wrong it isnt funny.

Because I think he’s better off relying on his record than the “Accidental punch that went wrong” defence I’m wrong?

OK mate, makes a lot sense
 
Why is character evidence being heard? Last year the AFL said the Tribunal was "not a referendum on Bachar Houli as a person" and disregarded his character references as it "might set a dangerous precedent".

Just judge the act and be done with it.
Really?

Then why is remorse taken into consideration?
 

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Really?

Then why is remorse taken into consideration?

Houli expressed remorse and it was rejected by Lamb, which is his prerogative.

I'm only going on how they treated our player. Is it wrong to want consistency?

The AFL said on appeal that the Tribunal "should only be concerned with upholding the rules that are in place".
 
He's acting for the AFL isnt he? In other words, he's the 'prosecution'.

Its his job to stitch up players in these proceedings.
No, that's not my reading at all.

This isn't a court of law. The AFL isn't the state. A lot of AFL structures rely on good faith cooperation of the industry and them not being subjected to real legal challenge.

Playing cops and prosecutors is both the wrong approach and to me undermines what the tribunal should be about. Employees of a private entity settling grievances and negotiating workplace penalties should be done through an arbitration process.
 
Because I think he’s better off relying on his record than the “Accidental punch that went wrong” defence I’m wrong?

Look Bro, Gaff has already plead guilty.

If that is all that matters, why is he even speaking at the moment? Why is he being cross examined at the moment?

Because the tribunal want to hear about anything that mitigates the offence (I didnt mean it, i have a good record, I feel genuine remorse etc) or that aggravates it (it was a straight up king hit to an unsuspecting player, off the ball).

After hearing all that, they'll determine the appropriate sanction for the actual offence as it happened taking into account any relevant information.

Please stop arguing this. You're self evidently wrong.
 
******* joke if he gets more than Hall
Let’s see :

Stalker knocked out but played again within 2 weeks ( 10 weeks down to 7 with a 25% off for a guilty plea)

Brayshaw broken jaw, dislodged teeth, surgery required, can’t eat , out for minimum 4-5 weeks

Yeah nah such a poor comparison
 

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