Watts names St. Kilda

[Alex99]

Montagna for Watts!
I'd certainly entertain this deal.

Pass the douche on the left hand side....

 

[Stiffy_18]

honestly can you blame him? you guys eat pie floaters, your highest building is the aami stadium light tower and your trains are only two carriages long....

True but there are also some real positive like not having imbeciles like you

 

[NewCrowsFan]

True but there are also some real positive like not having imbeciles like

Like who??

 

[Stiffy_18]

we would obviously have to include picks stiffy18, arrowman likes it too. And when you think about it we have them right where we want them and its not an unreasonable suggestion. Make sure you tell james to hold his nerve, i have this feeling we'll do a deal the second day of trade week.

Jack I am not going to tell Jimmy how to do his job. He doesn't tell me how to do mine. Besides, the men you should really be directing this at are John Reid and Neil Craig, not James who plays a minor role in trading.

 

[Ozguy]

I'll ask again, is it beyond the realms of possibility? Try offering something ********er

I did offer something. That your quote was moronic.

Do you really think Adelaide would not have him put through a battery of tests from their own doctors?

 

[Stiffy_18]

Like who??

That jezza ********wit

 

[NewCrowsFan]

That jezza ********wit

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. 'Nuff said!

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Iam also interested in how you can see how the AFC are in the box seat as well. The way I see the AFC are not in control of these proceedings for a draft pick, Fergus Watts has 3 options
1) Hope St Kilda want his services. If he has said St Kilda simply for the loyalty reason with his dad being CEO and St Kilda (G Thomas and Co) are not really interested the AFC are stuffed because they will not up there ante to meet our needs. They can offer a 2nd round pick and say we are not all that interested we will allow him to go in the PSD
2) He can go to Carlton and we get nothing
3) Change his mind and sign a contract extension and stay in Adelaide (not going to happen)

The AFC would be praying that the St Kilda Football Club (G Thomas and Co) rate him and are desperate to gain his services and then demand will come into play if not we will get a poor pick or hold our nerve and allow him to go to Carlton. Hopefully its not just his old man Jim Bob Watts blowing smoke up has kids clacker and over valuating his expectations of the clubs interest..

When I first heard Fergus had specified the Saints and wasn't willing to go to any VIC club, which could have meant Carlton, I was rapt. But then you stop and think about it, what the hell of The saints got to offer, or more importantly, what are they willing to offer - IMO sweet FA.

I have a bad feeling we maybe drastically overrating Watts' worth. Somehow I don't think the VIC clubs rate him as highly as we do. In most of the VIC articles related to trading, he rarely gets a mention.

IMO It will go one of two ways:

Motlop for Watts in a three way deal or
Watts to Carlton in PS draft.

 

[Maggie Ted]

Cannot agree further. Unless St Kilda are realistic I hope Adelaide just send him to the draft like Nick Stevens...and end up in mediocraty for years and years and years. If you were a half decent footballer where would you like to train and play? Not Carlton I bet.

Detecting for sarcasm ....... None found??

Seriously, cheers for that Porthos, you're a clever dude and your comments are always insightful. The reality is, Stevens and Watts are from the same boat, both arrogant bastards and it would seem appropriate that they both end up at Carlton and share in the next 5 years of mediocrity at Optus Oval.

******** him, he can go to Carlton before St Kilda get ANOTHER charity player on their list. I'm really p|ssed off.

 

[Truck Rutten]

honestly can you blame him? you guys eat pie floaters, your highest building is the aami stadium light tower and your trains are only two carriages long....

Have you ever had a pie floater??? They're sublime

 

[Truck Rutten]

are you 100% sure it was Grants first contract>? But really thats the point isnt it. What were the state of sydney when rocca left or jeff white from freo or buckley from bris. They were incompetent pathetic clubs. It is a disgrace and raises serious questions about our management that we are unable to keep players esp after their first contract and in general are unable to develop our youngsters which is needed.

Jack did it occurr to you that maybe Fergus just didn't like living in Adelaide? I have some concerns about Melbourne draftees ever being likely to stay with us for the duration of their careers, but Fergus is the first required player who has wanted to go home after his initial two years. I think you're overreacting just a bit with this post.

 

[relapse]

That's a myth. It may have had a small bit to do with it but it was his love for the Collingwood Football Club and his desire to play for the club he supported was the reason he went to Collingwood.

You always hear people say that he would regret that decision but I bet he doesn't regret it one bit. He has black and white blood in his veins (I wouldn't mind betting that was the reason he chose Port in the SANFL - same colours as Collingwood) and he would not want a premiership if it meant playing for another club anyway, I'm sure.

If you were AFL standard and had the choice between the Crows at a time when they are struggling or a team at the top what would you choose? I'd choose the Crows no doubt.

Actually I heard Robert Walls speak on this one. He claimed that Buckley went up there on a verbal promise that they would trade him to Collingwood which Brisbane bent over backward to ensure that they arranged something with Collingwood to allow Nathan to go there because brisbane had no nouse at that time and had a very casual approach to players and their contracts.

According to him the decision for Buckley to go or stay after a year up in Brisbane was extremely close as he really enjoyed him time there and enjoyed the client because it reminded him of NT. Walls recons that Brisbane conceeded that he was leaving after the end of that year and did nothing to try and entice him to stay and he believes that if Brisbane offered him a great contract and the captaincy he has no doubt in his mind that Buckley would have stayed at Brisbane.

 

[tribey]

No it didnt. Collingwood missed the finals completely. Nick Stevens would not have made any difference. What it did was guarantee Ports reign at the top woudl be short lived.

Yeah hindsight is bliss ain't it?

Fact is in 2002 you missed a flag by 8 points.
In 2003 you went into the Grand Final favourites, failed dismally, but were favourites nonetheless.

At the end of 2003 when the deal was done are you telling me that the addition of Nick Stevens for what would've been peanuts (Scotland & McGough) didn't look like being the final piece of the puzzle and that Port - who had just been walloped by you in the Prelim with Stevens in teal - were wrong to give him to you for fear he would be?

Come on.

 

[A gift from above]

How so???? You have said on a couple of occasions we are in the boxed seat but I don't see how. The saints don't have high drafts picks and the players they will be willing to trade we aren't interested in. I hope you don't see a trade for Kosi as a viable option. The guy is only 2 years older than Watts and he has shown this year, he was one of the few players in the competetion who is a genuine matchwinner. He would be one of the last players the Saints would be willing to trade.

yes kosi is aiming high and we would have to put a pick to it, but we should be aiming high. Basically ferg wouldnt of nominated the saints if his dad hadnt made sure it was going to happen. The last place Jim watts will want his son is carlton. They will make a trade happen. As pick 17 is apparently worthless we should be telling them what they have to do if they want ferg. There is plenty of talent on their list to make it happen. I am unsure if we we be able to hold out though.

a worse option for us would of been if ferg had nominated a top club or was open to offers. This is because while they have high picks they wont be giving them to us unless they arent worth their normal value in terms of getting a player with elite talent. Instead even if they dont have the top pick they will get ferg to commit to them and then use a high pick to drive his price down. I think it will more be a case that ferg will be bonus should he come a clubs way rather than a must get, he aint that type of talent. Hopefully the saints with their personal situation feel he is a must get. If he isnt then you're right we are screwed.

 

[Falchoon]

We paid pick 14 in a fairly food draft - we get pick 17 in a very ordinary draft. Carlton, meet Fergus watts - Watts, meet the Carlton footy club.

There seems to be a perception around here that the Saints lose in that deal?

 

[Falchoon]

Montagna for Watts!
I'd certainly entertain this deal.

More probable in a kangaroos three way?

 

[Falchoon]

If I remember correctly, Goddard is a fan of Carlton, so maybe trade him for an early pick then on trade that pick to the AFC for Watts?!

Goddard is a number 1 pick with three years in the system, we'd want at least a -8 pick in return

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

There seems to be a perception around here that the Saints lose in that deal?

No, initially the Saints lose nothing. But Watts loses plenty.

However, if this kid is as good as I think he may be, then the Saints would be kicking themselves for having passed him up. But initially, the big losers will be either us or Watts.

 

[just maybe]

Yeah hindsight is bliss ain't it?

Fact is in 2002 you missed a flag by 8 points.
In 2003 you went into the Grand Final favourites, failed dismally, but were favourites nonetheless.

At the end of 2003 when the deal was done are you telling me that the addition of Nick Stevens for what would've been peanuts (Scotland & McGough) didn't look like being the final piece of the puzzle and that Port - who had just been walloped by you in the Prelim with Stevens in teal - were wrong to give him to you for fear he would be?

Come on.

I don't really think it's a valid excuse at all, it sounds like a stupid outright lie. It's just Port's 'new excuse' because their old one of 'we wanted to make a stand' fell apart when they traded Carr for below his worth the next year.

Fact is, they stuffed up, screwed themselves, and now they're concocting some rubbish story about 'not wanting to gift Collingwood a premiership'. Load of crap, if that's how Port's trading staff think then they should be sacked. Worry aboout your own club, and do the best deal for your own club.

I'd think you'd see through the desperate spin on that little stinker, dyertribe. But it seems the 'new excuse' has sucked you right in.

 

[tribey]

I don't really think it's a valid excuse at all, it sounds like a stupid outright lie. It's just Port's 'new excuse' because their old one of 'we wanted to make a stand' fell apart when they traded Carr for below his worth the next year.

Fact is, they stuffed up, screwed themselves, and now they're concocting some rubbish story about 'not wanting to gift Collingwood a premiership'. Load of crap, if that's how Port's trading staff think then they should be sacked. Worry aboout your own club, and do the best deal for your own club.

I'd think you'd see through the desperate spin on that little stinker, dyertribe. But it seems the 'new excuse' has sucked you right in.

My my, we are fiesty lately aren't we?!

Revert back to spindoctor - in this mood that alter-ego suits you far better.

 

[Stiffy_18]

My my, we are fiesty lately aren't we?!

Revert back to spindoctor - in this mood that alter-ego suits you far better.

 

[A gift from above]

Jack,

How about coming out and naming someone to blame instead of throwing a few stones and running away.

Who are you going to blame? Steven Trigg? John Reid? James Fantasia? Neil Craig? Us the supporter for not showing him enough love in the street?

Bull ********, Fergus Watts was always going to leave and the writing was on that wall as early as February or March this year (Someone posted that they saw him at the airport with his family on his way back to Adelaide and he could have been in tears at the prospect of leaving)

The AFC could have offered him $300,000 a year but that would have been irresponsible and completely irrational just as not drafting him when we were in dire needs of a key forward and he was still available. The club cannot be bulled into drafting local simply for the fact that they will go home.

Lets stop blaming the club for a bad decision, it wasn’t, at the time it was the right decision to make and it was made in the best interest of the football club. Fergus Watts knew the probability of having to move interstate when he entered the draft and he as a 20 year old is not strong enough to untie the apron strings just yet.

i dont think money has much to do with it. The club just has to manage players so they dont leave after two yrs its an embarrassment really. The only victorians that want to stay here do so cause they are B graders. Thinking about it, its probably the same with port adelaide, although atleast they kept salopek. I dont think adelaide is that bad a place to live maybe it is though.

And on who is responsible it is the whole clubs role to provide support for its players and have management programs in place to make them welcome. NC says he takes responsibility, not that it means much in terms of actons in reality. Players like Brent Reilly have said languishing in the sanfl reserves for his first season was the hardest thing he had to do in his life. Watts obviously has more balls or belief in himself and has told them he'll take his chances elsewhere.

 

[A gift from above]

Jack did it occurr to you that maybe Fergus just didn't like living in Adelaide? I have some concerns about Melbourne draftees ever being likely to stay with us for the duration of their careers, but Fergus is the first required player who has wanted to go home after his initial two years. I think you're overreacting just a bit with this post.

yes thats probably the case he thought he was coming here for the big time stuff and got a shock. Considering we havent kept any victorians of quality, just like we lost kane johnson its a problem. No other club has had a player leave it after two yrs for a long time so it is a embarrassment for us without doubt. The interstates like cooney dont come home that easily either.

 

[Alex99]

i dont think money has much to do with it. The club just has to manage players so they dont leave after two yrs its an embarrassment really. The only victorians that want to stay here do so cause they are B graders. Thinking about it, its probably the same with port adelaide, although atleast they kept salopek. I dont think adelaide is that bad a place to live maybe it is though.

And on who is responsible it is the whole clubs role to provide support for its players and have management programs in place to make them welcome. NC says he takes responsibility, not that it means much in terms of actons in reality. Players like Brent Reilly have said languishing in the sanfl reserves for his first season was the hardest thing he had to do in his life. Watts obviously has more balls or belief in himself and has told them he'll take his chances elsewhere.

What a load of ******** Jack,

Kane Johnson and Fergus Watts is the only Victorian player we have lost that the club has wanted to keep. Tyson Stenglein went home as well but to Perth.

In 2 years time re assess Brent Reilly value to the club and then say he is a B grade player.

 

[Crow-mosone]

I dont think anybody would be stupid enough to give away their first pick for Brendan Goddard. Especially not Carlton as their picks (1 and 4) are far too valuable.

are they that valuable? 2002 was the worst draft in recent times, barely anything that doesn't go woof in the top 10.

If reports are to be believed that this draft is worse, then you'd have to think those picks are not worth as much as they might be in another year. though there is PR significance for Carlton I guess.