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Let me say this loud and clear right from the beginning

THIS IS NOT A SLEDGE

Looking back on Wayne's career, remembering one of the best ever to play, it's now kinda sad to see such a champion struggle so, because physical limitations.

He can still play "physical positioning" stuff, eg a one on one wrestle in the goal square.

He can still bust a pack open

He still has that spark of genius for playing our great game

BUT

He really is not an option to take an overhead pack mark, even that overhead mark he look on a lead almost looked painful. The guy's shoulders must really be giving him hell.

He really is not an option to chase a defender down, from behind, any more.

It's sad to see a champion relegated to the level of "regular player"

I hope he can prove me wrong, and come on to display all those great skills we loved to watch, but unfortunately I believe if I want to see Carey great again, it'll have to be on a video.
 
I don't think anyone would disagree with that. The big questions for the Crows are
1) Is he good enough to still hold a spot in their side ?

and if the answer is yes

2) If Adelaide aren't going to make the eight (and at this point it's too early to call) Is he that much better then a younger option that he shouldn't be dropped in order to develop the younger player in order to help Adelaide bounce back to a contender that much quicker ?

Personally as (I try to be) an objective non-Crows supporter if he's played at FF then the answer to the first question is yes. BUT IF (and it's still very much an IF) Adelaide can't make the eight, as soon as that's obvious he should be dropped in order to get the future forward line working and experienced as soon as possible. Carey was brought in for one reason - to win a flag, if that's not possible continuing to play him at the expense of someone five or more years younger is only hurting Adelaide beyond this year. Will Gary Ayres and the Adelaide match committee have the balls to drop him if that bridge re. the finals is crossed ? I have my doubts.
 
As bad as the start has been to this season I don't think that the Crows are that bad that they will be out of finals contention much before the last couple of rounds, at worst.

Playing someone like Carey or Smart for a couple of games at the end of the season is not going to make much difference to a young guy who could take their place.

If a young player is worthy of a spot, then he'll make the team. If he isn't worthy on his own merits then putting them in for a couple of games at a retiring players expense before he has earned his spot is not going to help him anyway.


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There's not much point rushing Watts back from OP to play all year if Carey then retires and Watts has got OP all next year.

Apart from him, IMO, there aren't any other valid tall forward options at this stage.
 

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I have to agree with Asgardian here. Carey is well and truely past his best and that fantastic mark he took did look extremely painful for him.

However, giving someone young a go instead of Carey if they haven't deserved it is not on. As high hopes as we have for Watts and Krueger to become the twin tower marking combo in our forward line in a few years time, I wouldn't rush them in if they haven't earned their spots. Both of these fellas have had interupted pre-seasons so far. Watts with OP and Krueger with a badly bulged disk in his back. Watts is likely to resume this week for the Eagles while Krueger is some 4-5 weeks away (12-14 weeks in total)

There is no point giving youngsters a go if they are not ready. It does them more harm than good in the long run.
 
Originally posted by Andre
I don't think anyone would disagree with that. The big questions for the Crows are
1) Is he good enough to still hold a spot in their side ?

and if the answer is yes

2) If Adelaide aren't going to make the eight (and at this point it's too early to call) Is he that much better then a younger option that he shouldn't be dropped in order to develop the younger player in order to help Adelaide bounce back to a contender that much quicker ?

Personally as (I try to be) an objective non-Crows supporter if he's played at FF then the answer to the first question is yes. BUT IF (and it's still very much an IF) Adelaide can't make the eight, as soon as that's obvious he should be dropped in order to get the future forward line working and experienced as soon as possible. Carey was brought in for one reason - to win a flag, if that's not possible continuing to play him at the expense of someone five or more years younger is only hurting Adelaide beyond this year. Will Gary Ayres and the Adelaide match committee have the balls to drop him if that bridge re. the finals is crossed ? I have my doubts.
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IMO, Carey is still in our best-18 & will be a reasonable contributor for the year if played from FF. As Chris mentioned, he no longer has the ability to play CHF for long periods of time like the Wayne of old (though can pinch hit there when necessary).

We still should be aiming to make the finals, so our youngsters (ie. Watts, Krueger, Rutten, etc) should only come into the side if their performance warrants selection on merit. However, if come the latter part of the season we are no chance of making the finals, we must blood players who are our future. Hopefully this won't be necessary.
 
Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
However, if come the latter part of the season we are no chance of making the finals, we must blood players who are our future.
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Yes I agree BUT it would not be a smart move by the club to play the likes of Watts and Krueger if they are NOT ready for AFL footy. If they are ready play them by all means but if they are not then it will do more harm than good for those players in the long run. I think its a very fine line between giving your youngsters confidence and experience and destroying that confidence by brining them in too early.
 
Will the Adelaide Crows be the NBA version of the Washington Wizards..AKA Michael Jordan


And waynce Carey is the king of AFL so the gamble was worth it
 
Originally posted by crows98
Will the Adelaide Crows be the NBA version of the Washington Wizards..AKA Michael Jordan


And waynce Carey is the king of AFL so the gamble was worth it
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It would appear that way :(

Mind you Michael Jordan played some excellent games for the Wizards for a bloke well past his prime. He still averaged about 20ppg in his time with the Wizards.
 
Originally posted by crows98
Will the Adelaide Crows be the NBA version of the Washington Wizards..AKA Michael Jordan


And waynce Carey is the king of AFL so the gamble was worth it
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no - Jordan had one dodgy knee, nothing else.

Carey had 2 dodgy knees, 2 crap shoulders and question marks over his groins.
 
If the AFC did what they said when they recruited Carey, we wouldn't be debating his longevity.
As third tall, roaming the forward line, he could use his smarts, his ability still to attract more than one defender (thus freeing up a Crows forward), and been very valuable.

But no, we have to play him at CHF, and make him the focal point of our entire attack.
What a joke !

For heavens sake, use him as you originally intended, and find other FF and CHF options.
Unfortunately Carey is carrying the can for the decisions of others.
 
Originally posted by Asgardian
Let me say this loud and clear right from the beginning

THIS IS NOT A SLEDGE

Looking back on Wayne's career, remembering one of the best ever to play, it's now kinda sad to see such a champion struggle so, because physical limitations.

He can still play "physical positioning" stuff, eg a one on one wrestle in the goal square.

He can still bust a pack open

He still has that spark of genius for playing our great game

BUT

He really is not an option to take an overhead pack mark, even that overhead mark he look on a lead almost looked painful. The guy's shoulders must really be giving him hell.

He really is not an option to chase a defender down, from behind, any more.

It's sad to see a champion relegated to the level of "regular player"

I hope he can prove me wrong, and come on to display all those great skills we loved to watch, but unfortunately I believe if I want to see Carey great again, it'll have to be on a video.
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Not a sledge, but would you be posting this on our board if we was 2-0 & your club 0-2 ??? me thinks not.

I don't believe anyone on this board expected Cary to play as he done in the past but we was banking on him to provide support to M Stevens & co in the forward 50 which was to give us a real chance at another flag in 03-04,
 

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is this going to a weekly thing now, for whenever we lose for people to come and write about Carey being past his prime and so forth..

even though its right, and the gamble taken was a waste of time, its a bit of a broken record.
 
Originally posted by yob


Admit it guys - we absolutely, undeniably, 100% ****ed up.
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Hate to say we told you so, but we told you so.
 
I tend to agree - I think getting Carey was a huge mistake in hindsight -- correct me if im wrong - The crows gave up pik 2 (Daniel Wells) if im right -- what other players went in that draft out of curiosity?
 
Originally posted by Arsene Wenger
I tend to agree - I think getting Carey was a huge mistake in hindsight -- correct me if im wrong - The crows gave up pik 2 (Daniel Wells) if im right
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Geez, all news too me. We haven't discussed this at all ... well not for the 1000th time any way! :rolleyes:
 

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To Noddy, Lozstar & anyone else of the same opinion ----

I apologise

How dare I create a thread for discussion purposes on a Footy Discussion web site, man, I must have rocks in my head.

I know I should have created this thread prior to Carey playing any games as a Crow, in January 2003, I should have known exactly what was gonna happen, and do this thread back then.

I'm sorry Kane, for cluttering up your Crow board with a discussion piece from a Port person
 
Originally posted by Crow-mosone
Carey did finish in our top 10 in the B&F last year.

below expectations, but not a total bust.
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Yes Carey was servicable in 2003, not the total hack that some have written off as. He played some real shockers but also some good ones and also the odd superb one. A reasonable effort to finish that high in the B&F when he missed a handful of games.

So far though this year he's looked distinctly ordinary. I think most of us were looking for an improvement on 2003. The logic being that he was a little bit rusty last year after a year off and would be more well oiled this year. That's so far proved not to be as age, wear and tear have taken their toll.

Overall, he's still been a big disappointment. Our biggest trading blunder.
 
Originally posted by Asgardian
To Noddy, Lozstar & anyone else of the same opinion ----

I apologise

How dare I create a thread for discussion purposes on a Footy Discussion web site, man, I must have rocks in my head.

I know I should have created this thread prior to Carey playing any games as a Crow, in January 2003, I should have known exactly what was gonna happen, and do this thread back then.

I'm sorry Kane, for cluttering up your Crow board with a discussion piece from a Port person
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Chris, I have no problems with you starting this thread or your thoughtful post to kick things off. I just get a little grumpy when it degenerated into an opportunity for other posters rarely seen on this board to take some cheap shots by stating the bloody obvious (which we have discussed to death).
 
Originally posted by yob
Oh no, you're only allowed to post on this board if you're part of the "club"

Text book internet loser syndrome. I'm sorry for coming into your cubby house without asking, won't do it ever again.

Tool.
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Yob, I have no problems (& in fact encourage) posting of different opinions on this board - would have thought that was clear by now. However, not intersted in users who ONLY post on this board to have cheap shots or regularly personally abuse other posters.

Now calm down & take a chill pill.
 

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