We cannot be hypocrites

[HR Roughnstuf]

We dont need to be hypocrites, but we also dont need to be absolute dumbasses like the original poster suggests. The two cases are completely different. In fact this only highlights why Hawthorn fought the Buddy decision so strong, because there will be a similar penalty handed out for these two completely different cases.

Buddys case, not one person believes Buddy had intent to hurt Cousins. Rule is there, its black and white, no interpretation can be made.

Lets look at the Lloyd evidence. First bounce after half time, team is down, clearly dont have the skills to compete, runs straight into the centre square (only time I saw him do this all game) straight towards the ball targeting any hawthorn player in the vicinty.

 

[Miss_Hawk_Fan]

Hope Sewell is ok. Lloyd will get 3 but I don't think it was as malicious as some of you are making out. IMHO Sewell knew the contact was coming before he took the ball - look at the way he changes direction by planting his right foot and then tries to dodge to his left. Only trouble was he got everything out of the way except his head.

He should have turned his left side in and picked it up with his left hand and taken the blow across the left shoulder. If he'd had control of the ball he probably would have ended up spinning out of it fine. I presume he's a right hander though so that just not what you do...

Anyway, the reality is that the AFL has a concept of a duty of care and Lloyd should have had both arms out trying to tackle in that situation. Sewell head would have hit him in the chest or the guts and not the shoulder and the umpire would have just paid it too high. That's my view anyway. All a bit easier in slow motion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI7z6v93Wo0

Thanks for the link.

Since when has their been a law in the afl that say " a player must tackle, before hip n shourdering?".

The duty of care law i thought was "to avoid head high contact"?

I disagree with ya though, i dont think sewell was trying to get around Lloyd, i think he had no idea lloyd was comming at him at all.

 

[The Mongrel Punt]

Pathetic thread. Incidents were so far from similar, it's like comparing a car with a boat because they both have engines.

Hmmm, let's see. Head high contact - check. Use of the shoulder on the head/neck - check. One player knocked unconscious - check. Incidents that changed the game - check. One player to be cited by the MRP - check. And a suspension - check (pending). Pretty frigging similar in my eyes.

I know you want to rant and rave about how Buddy's hit was fair - I believe it was, but I also remember a time when Lloyd's hit would be deemed fair... and bugger me if I don;t like football played that way. So if I had my way, Lloyd would get off, and Buddy wouldn't have had a case to answer either.

I can't believe I'm reading this OP... There's one MASSIVE difference.

Malicious intent!!!!!! It makes ALL the difference.

I've already had this argument with about four scum supporters today...

Did Lloyd suddenly decide he was gonna become a midfield onballer???

So Buddy just wanted to gently dislodge the football and go about his business? Don't be such a one-eyed, naive idiot, please! I love the physical stuff and, as I said above, it would be my preference that neither player were suspended for what I would like to be considered as legal contact, but if we're gonna go down this track, we have no right to claim Lloyd should be hung out to dry if we were claiming that Buddy was innocent.

Browny wants Lloyd to play on next year.
If Lloyd has half a brain (a big if) he wont. Not just to avoid Browny but because he is finished as a footballer. Pathetic today.
Hopefully career over as a suspended player.

Yeah, because Browny really showed them who was boss in almost the entire second half he had to even-up. Unfortunately I just think it was bravado speaking. I don't expect any of it to be backed up, or it would've happened today.

 

[HR Roughnstuf]

Lloyd ran from half forward to get the ball, mcveigh stuffed up and sewell fumbled. Ground was wet. He will get 2 but neither him or buddy should have got any. Lloyd was front on and sewell slipped made it worse.

Atkinson did nothing, jumper to mark it, saw birch there and pulled out and hardly touched him. If anyone thinks thats dirty they have never played footy in there life!

Epic fail mate. Epic fail. Maybe you should watch the incident. He did drop the ball, but I its hard to hold it when you are unconcious. Enjoy the trip to Adelaide, cheats

 

[Lurkalot]

The OP is a class A clown.

Franklin's bump was to an upright running Cousins in full flight, who would've seen it coming and if not for his fumble would have been able to ride that bump. Under this pathetic new rule brought in before Round 1 strictly he was guilty & had to cop his suspension.

Lloyd cleaned up Sewell who was vulnerable, stooped & had his head over the ball. Protecting the player in these circumstances has been paramount in our game for a long time. If he'd hit him a fraction earlier (on top of his head) Sewell could have been very seriously injured.

And did you notice Mithrandir that in todays incident Sewell, as he was being stretchered unconscious off the field in a neck brace, wasn't waving away the trainers saying he was OK to stay on?

 

[Miss_Hawk_Fan]

Hmmm, let's see. Head high contact - check. Use of the shoulder on the head/neck - check. One player knocked unconscious - check. Incidents that changed the game - check. One player to be cited by the MRP - check. And a suspension - check (pending). Pretty frigging similar in my eyes.

I know you want to rant and rave about how Buddy's hit was fair - I believe it was, but I also remember a time when Lloyd's hit would be deemed fair... and bugger me if I don;t like football played that way. So if I had my way, Lloyd would get off, and Buddy wouldn't have had a case to answer either.



So Buddy just wanted to gently dislodge the football and go about his business? Don't be such a one-eyed, naive idiot, please! I love the physical stuff and, as I said above, it would be my preference that neither player were suspended for what I would like to be considered as legal contact, but if we're gonna go down this track, we have no right to claim Lloyd should be hung out to dry if we were claiming that Buddy was innocent.



Yeah, because Browny really showed them who was bossed in almost the entire second half he had to even-up. Unfortunately I just think it was bravado speaking. I don't expect any of it to be backed up, or it would've happened today.

1. Brown was kept of the ground by the coach clarkson in the 3rd qtr until he had settle down a bit.

2. if memory serves me correctly they where playing at oppersite end of the ground.

3. Sewell had his head over the ball, cousins didnt. A player with his head over the ball, has been protected for years.

 

[Hawks1523]

LOL. Hypocrites? The cases are nothing alike.

Sewell had his head over the ball, and Lloyd just charged in and hit him head high. Blokes who get bumped with their head over the ball always end up with reports, this and the Franklin case have nothing in common.

Get a ****ing clue mate.

 

[Gold Member]

Hmmm, let's see. Head high contact - check. Use of the shoulder on the head/neck - check. One player knocked unconscious - check. Incidents that changed the game - check. One player to be cited by the MRP - check. And a suspension - check (pending). Pretty frigging similar in my eyes.

I know you want to rant and rave about how Buddy's hit was fair - I believe it was, but I also remember a time when Lloyd's hit would be deemed fair... and bugger me if I don;t like football played that way. So if I had my way, Lloyd would get off, and Buddy wouldn't have had a case to answer either.



So Buddy just wanted to gently dislodge the football and go about his business? Don't be such a one-eyed, naive idiot, please! I love the physical stuff and, as I said above, it would be my preference that neither player were suspended for what I would like to be considered as legal contact, but if we're gonna go down this track, we have no right to claim Lloyd should be hung out to dry if we were claiming that Buddy was innocent.



Yeah, because Browny really showed them who was boss in almost the entire second half he had to even-up. Unfortunately I just think it was bravado speaking. I don't expect any of it to be backed up, or it would've happened today.

Best give it away whilst you can Mithrandir. Mustardnugget is dead right which leaves you as the naive idiot.

Remember Blake Caracella? His injury is why the head high stuff is not on. Lloyds hit was similar to this.

Seeing as though you need to ask: head over the ball, bulk of impact directly to the head and transferred through the neck. Potential for injuries I wouldn't want to wish on my worst enemy. Get it you imbecile?

Polar opposite to Franklin.

 

[The Mongrel Punt]

The OP is a class A clown.

Lucky I wasn't classified as a Class E clown... might've been hurtful.

And did you notice Mithrandir that in todays incident Sewell, as he was being stretchered unconscious off the field in a neck brace, wasn't waving away the trainers saying he was OK to stay on?

Now there's a novel idea. Why don't we base the entire Match Review and suspension system on the individual recuperative powers of players.

By God... I think we have a bonafide genius in our midst!

 

[Lurkalot]

Lucky I wasn't classified as a Class E clown... might've been hurtful.



Now there's a novel idea. Why don't we base the entire Match Review and suspension system on the individual recuperative powers of players.

By God... I think we have a bonafide genius in our midst!

Guess what...it aint ****ing you!!

Do you seriously not ****ing get it??. The hit to a stooped Sewell had the potential to cause back & spinal damage (ie. the neck brace was needed dimwit). Cousins was just helped off the field by trainers as Buddy bumped him in while he was in an upright position.

 

[The Mongrel Punt]

Guess what...it aint ****ing you!!

Do you seriously not ****ing get it??. The hit to a stooped Sewell had the potential to cause back & spinal damage (ie. the neck brace was needed dimwit). Cousins was just helped off the field by trainers as Buddy bumped him in while he was in an upright position.

Bolded writing and swearing doesn't make your opinion any more important.

Changing the font size, though... well, that obviously does.

See what I did there? Took the piss outta ya a little.

Look, you can whine about it all you like - I know you're hurting because the Hawks lost, and you're not happy because life sucks, and your finger poked through the toilet paper again, or whatever. I reiterate - I would like both incidents to be considered legal. It is just an opinion. You don't have to slam your forehead into the keyboard over it - though really, that would be fun for me if you did.

Also, I reiterate again - if you're an unreasonable, one-eyed follower incapable of looking at it without your brown and gold glasses, then scream from the rooftops how bad a bloke Lloyd is whilst defending Buddy. You may justify it in your mind, but I think you're a hypocrite.

Now have a smile - 2010 pre-season is only just over five months away.

 

[thatswhatimtalkinabout]

2010 pre-season is only just over five months away.

Nah mate, 2010 pre-season starts now.

 

[The Mongrel Punt]

Nah mate, 2010 pre-season starts now.

My mistake, I meant pre-season comp.

 

[Julio2009]

as an essendon fan, I honestly hope that sewell is alright. I also acknowledge that lloyd will get weeks, and although the bump rule is shite, and buddy clearly shouldnt have been suspended, that's probably fair enough.

but to have people say, and I quote 'lloyd is a piss poor excuse for a captain'. I will respond, simply, by saying- Richie Vandenburg.

to those who think campbell brown was tough today, I imagine most hawks fans would have preferred he have any impact on the game. at all.

apart from slapping.

 

[m0zza]

My mistake,

Not your first!

 

[The Mongrel Punt]

Not your first!

Certainly not my last, either. I refuse to be blinded by faith. Others, I cannot speak for.

 

[Lurkalot]

Bolded writing and swearing doesn't make your opinion any more important.

Changing the font size, though... well, that obviously does.

See what I did there? Took the piss outta ya a little.

Look, you can whine about it all you like - I know you're hurting because the Hawks lost, and you're not happy because life sucks, and your finger poked through the toilet paper again, or whatever. I reiterate - I would like both incidents to be considered legal. It is just an opinion. You don't have to slam your forehead into the keyboard over it - though really, that would be fun for me if you did.

Also, I reiterate again - if you're an unreasonable, one-eyed follower incapable of looking at it without your brown and gold glasses, then scream from the rooftops how bad a bloke Lloyd is whilst defending Buddy. You may justify it in your mind, but I think you're a hypocrite.

Now have a smile - 2010 pre-season is only just over five months away.

The bolded words/increased font were an attempt to help you see clearly what the dangers of todays incident were. Unfortunately, like others before me, you appear unable to grasp it.

The swearing - well that's just the Irish whiskey talking

For what it's worth, I never defended Buddy. He just got dudded by a soft rule which will likely be reviewed come seasons end, but nevertheless had to cop it. They'll always be concussions in this sport given the speed of the game...this was one such occasion.

Lloyd could have caused spinal/neck damage to Sewell today. The player with his head over the ball has been protected from a front charge or bump for many a year (Long/Simmonds 2000 GF comes to mind). Lloyd should get 3+.

Now both bumps may have been struck with similar force but it's the potential victim impact which needs to be taken into account & is what makes Lloyd's bump different.

 

[Satchmo]

I agree. We cannot be hypocrites.

Hypocrisy might be applicable if Buddy had been allowed to play and then we asked Lloyd to be banned.

However, Buddy did not play and now all we can ask for is similar treatment.

I don't think Buddy meant to tickle Cousins. But I also don't think he had a premeditated idea to end his night.

I believe Lloyd's sole intention was to take out Sewell. He was not concerned about the ball in the least so I don't get any arguments which claim otherwise.

This may be biased, but not hypocritical.

I also didn't notice Hawthorn people trolling Richmond's website saying how great is was that Cousins was taken out.

If there are hypocrites around, I would have to point out the Scum (at this stage that is all you can call them) that were saying Buddy had to be suspended because it was in the rules and now think Lloyd should get off for going for the ball.

Anyway, love your players and hate the enemy. That is not hypocrisy, just the way it is.

 

[worthy]

Bolded writing and swearing doesn't make your opinion any more important.

Changing the font size, though... well, that obviously does.

See what I did there? Took the piss outta ya a little.

Look, you can whine about it all you like - I know you're hurting because the Hawks lost, and you're not happy because life sucks, and your finger poked through the toilet paper again, or whatever. I reiterate - I would like both incidents to be considered legal. It is just an opinion. You don't have to slam your forehead into the keyboard over it - though really, that would be fun for me if you did.

Also, I reiterate again - if you're an unreasonable, one-eyed follower incapable of looking at it without your brown and gold glasses, then scream from the rooftops how bad a bloke Lloyd is whilst defending Buddy. You may justify it in your mind, but I think you're a hypocrite.

Now have a smile - 2010 pre-season is only just over five months away.

You can keep saying it all you like, but it's incorrect.
Do not compare the two incidents, they are not remotely similar and it would be dishonest of you to suggest so.
Now, don't use your little spiel on me because i'm pretty sure I made no comment on the Franklin incident.

4 weeks
4 weeks 5 years ago

Franklin
2 weeks
0 weeks 21 rounds ago

Worst thing about this is Essendon will be a better team without him.

 

[FouRFooTGiaNT]

1. Brown was kept of the ground by the coach clarkson in the 3rd qtr until he had settle down a bit.

2. if memory serves me correctly they where playing at oppersite end of the ground.

3. Sewell had his head over the ball, cousins didnt. A player with his head over the ball, has been protected for years.

1. I thought he was off due to the blood rule, and came back on after he was cleaned up and the blood had stopped leaking out etc...

2. opposite

3. not if mclaren is umpiring, he is a dead-set goose. I, as an essendon supporter could see that he was terrible...

just thought i'd make comment on your dot points

 

[Juza]

I read both incidents as completely different.

I saw Lloyds as intentional.
Lloyd had lined him up from the bounce, how often does Lloyd start at the hlf forward line? Almost never. Ran 20M full pace to hit Sewell
Sewell bent down to pick the ball (had his head over the ball), Lloyd came running straight through him with no intention at all for the ball but only for the player.
Cleaned him high, the full force was high and seriously concussed/bruised Sewell.

As many say, Lucky Sewell raised his head, otherwise it could have been a lot worse.

Lloyd will go, Robert Walls in right. 6 Weeks, Probably get 4 with early plea or something. Will defintly be suspended.
To say Schoenmakers pushed him into it is utter bullshit, All cams clearly show he was going full pace prior to the "push".

Franklins was not intentional, did not hit fully high, was not charging full pace at cousins. If Franklin was a few inches smaller and if Cousins didn't slip he'd probably been playing yesterday.

To say hawthorn fans are hypocrites is fairly stupid because were not.
Incidents are different and cannot be compared, simply as that.
gary lyon, what are you smoking to even suggest this???

I look forward to the next Haw VS Ess Match, hopefully ****ing McLaren won't be umpiring. He's a disgrace.

 

[Bombermania]

I don’t see any similarity between the Buddy on Cousins and Lloyd on Sewell.

First i do not believe Buddy should have been rubbed out, yes he should have laid a tackle rather than going for the bump but he went the bump from front on and there was no raised elbow and Cousins could clearly see Buddy coming.

The Lloyd bump on Sewell was worst for Sewell actually had his head down and i am not sure he saw Lloyd coming, i unfortunately missed it happen (some chick after sitting down thought out half time decided she would go for a walk) from the video it looks like Lloyd had made a decision to run at Sewell.

If we didn’t see the Buddy suspension then i would have expected two weeks for Lloyd, and while that is a disappointing result the thing is Lloyd is no longer the lynch pin for the Essendon football club.

 

[thatswhatimtalkinabout]

I don’t see any similarity between the Buddy on Cousins and Lloyd on Sewell.

First i do not believe Buddy should have been rubbed out, yes he should have laid a tackle rather than going for the bump but he went the bump from front on and there was no raised elbow and Cousins could clearly see Buddy coming.

The Lloyd bump on Sewell was worst for Sewell actually had his head down and i am not sure he saw Lloyd coming, i unfortunately missed it happen (some chick after sitting down thought out half time decided she would go for a walk) from the video it looks like Lloyd had made a decision to run at Sewell.

If we didn’t see the Buddy suspension then i would have expected two weeks for Lloyd, and while that is a disappointing result the thing is Lloyd is no longer the lynch pin for the Essendon football club.

True that, from lynch pin to pinch Lyn as far as contribution to the game goes.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

what are te chances the AFL let Lloyd off saying there was not enough force in the contact (ala the hit on Thurgood)

 

[thebiff]

Original poster is a ****head, absolutely disgraceful post
Lloyd's bump was intentional high contact and he lined him up from 20 meters away. If you can’t tell the difference between that and buddy’s incident then you are a true ****ing idiot. You can’t have people intentionally knocking players out, you know nothing about footy **** off don’t need your bullshit opinion