We Should Be Aiming For Four

[Rayzorwire]

The two most successful sides in modern history have three flags to their credit - Brisbane and Geelong.

A young footballer and aspirational leader who walks into the RFC and has the red carpet rolled out, needs to have a burning passion to create a Richmond dynasty which matches or exceeds the above legacies.

One premiership will do everyone, apparently, but that's not where our end goal should really lie if we're determined to become the best again and stay there.

Discuss.

 

[PUNTROADHAMMER]

let's take it one flag at a time....

 

[tigs2010]

I'd be happy with one but once we have it assess where we are with players and set a tough yet achievable goal. (as fans) Don't think the players should have these goals. One flag at a time for them.

 

[Harmichael]

12 flags. We need at least 7 to be number one. Another 3 to open up a gap on the Scum, Filth & Bummers and 2 more for good measure.

**** it... 16 flags - another 3 after that to rub their noses in it and 1 more just to take the piss.

 

[WATiger86]

Let's make finals first!

 

[theflea]

Eff go for twenty!!

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

I'd be content with one flag but after 30 years of nothing I think I'd need a little more than 1 flag and ~5 years at the top before decending back into darkness to feel really satisfied.

I can't imagine what it was like from 67-80. If we won 4 flags in the next 8 years I'd happily sit through another 30 years of pain afterwards. Would be worth it.

 

[tigs2010]

I can't imagine what it was like from 67-80. If we won 4 flags in the next 8 years I'd happily sit through another 30 years of pain afterwards. Would be worth it.

That or rooting the chick in your avatar. Amirite?

 

[Harmichael]

That or rooting the chick in your avatar. Amirite?

Didn't we just root 22 chicks wearing blue & red last Sunday?

 

[tigs2010]

Didn't we just root 22 chicks wearing blue & red last Sunday?

Watts didn't play.

 

[Greggy]

4 points on the weekend? That'll do for starters.

 

[Rayzorwire]

I guess I seriously question the 'once is enough' mentality so many seem to have.

IMO, we should be aiming for 3-4 flags in the next decade, never missing finals, playing deep into finals series and becoming Richmond again.

 

[Harmichael]

I guess I seriously question the 'once is enough' mentality so many seem to have.

IMO, we should be aiming for 3-4 flags in the next decade, never missing finals, playing deep into finals series and becoming Richmond again.

I was completely serious, I want Man Utd levels of domination & success.

 

[johnno77]

I guess I seriously question the 'once is enough' mentality so many seem to have.

IMO, we should be aiming for 3-4 flags in the next decade, never missing finals, playing deep into finals series and becoming Richmond again.

I think most peoples 'once is enough' mentality comes from the previous 30 years. Even 1 flag seems beyond my wildest dreams. The thought of being at the MCG on GF day and seeing the Tigers win seems too surreal to contemplate.

Once we get that win though, people's mentality will change very quickly. We will want more. It's human nature. Up until about 12 months ago, I actually liked the Cats. Now, thanks to all their winning (and the favourable umpiring they seem to get) I dislike them. I dislike them a lot. That's a compliment to the Cats. I can only hope other clubs supporters come to dislike the Tigers that much. The amount of pity and 'the Tigers are my second team' bullshit makes me physically ill and I want to see an end to it. The sooner the better.

 

[The Goon]

As if anyone needed conformation that RW is insane.

 

[Harmichael]

I can only hope other clubs supporters come to dislike the Tigers that much. The amount of pity and 'the Tigers are my second team' bullshit makes me physically ill and I want to see an end to it. The sooner the better.

Yes! As far as I'm concerned that's a massive backhander at best and a flat out insult at worst for a great club like ours. No-one hates you when you're shit. Everyone does when you're on top.

Know which I'd prefer.

 

[Rayzorwire]

I was completely serious, I want Man Utd levels of domination & success.

Our Ferguson awaits, HMick.

I lament the rise of the professional footballer.

It had to happen, the fact that some players at some clubs didn't have to really work while for other clubs, every single one of their players did, made things inherently unfair.

But I think we lost something irreplaceable along the way.

Men used to approach football as a very welcome release to the realities of the rest of their life. It was a celebration of manhood, never a burden like these whinging, privileged boys make it out to be. That feeling and the bond formed with the men who shared the same sort of life, was there until the day they died. Nowadays, it's a high paid profession, you make your money and you move on to 'better things.' Apparently these days, the better you are, the sooner you can retire.

For the men that built the successful eras at Richmond, outside of family and friends (who all bled Richmond), there were no better things than dominating the competition for as long as possible. You weren't dreaming in your early 20's of something 'far better' than walking out onto the G with your tribe and owning Melbourne. That was where you made your family name mean something that mattered and properly celebrated the heritage which gave you the enormous privilege to be a part of greatness.

Like most human endeavours, the spirit of football has been sorely abused by war and capitalism.

In an era where we've mostly pushed war to one side for the time being, we then softened up all our players with massive incomes related only to football (fed by the Harvey Norman's and the Tom Waterhouse's once Winfield and Peter Jackson were done) and gave those boys playing no real concept of how lucky they are to do what they do.

From the day he took the field, Jack Dyer never uttered a word which wasn't for the glorification of seeing our tribe beating everyone, forever.

How sick he would feel to listen to players talking of winning one flag on their way to being a multi-millionaire, then feeling their job was done, or earning many times the minimum wage with football as their only job and whinging about how 'hard' they have it.

Four flags or go find another club to be a whinging passenger at.

That's what Jack would say and the great man saved this club many times over long after his career.

We'd be history and bankrupt long ago without the Jack Dyer Fund (long after all his other work) and fighting for those same principles of hardness and excellence Jack epitomised is the Richmond way, come whichever President, CEO, Coach or Captain which may.

Four flags or go find another club which welcomes people who set out with the ambition to get rich failing over and over again.

 

[Calcium Man]

Of course the aim should be for more but its bloody hard to just win one. Ask the saints, dogs and crows (circa 2002-2005). After that the Hawks, Collingwood, Port, West Coast and even the greatest Essendon side of all time only won it once. Sydney have managed to snare two 6 years apart with almost two different sides.

But clearly this thread is another swipe at Cotchin, and its poor form. As has been said by trent today and anybody who read the other article about the draft book it was tongue and cheek comment with the group of boys from the book as they all talked about how physically demanding the game is and how hard it was to get up some mornings.

 

[Rayzorwire]

As if anyone needed conformation that RW is insane.

The word you're reaching for while mangling the English language, is confirmation, though to be fair, it's not a word you personally are likely to come across.

 

[Rayzorwire]

As has been said by trent today and anybody who read the other article about the draft book it was tongue and cheek comment...

Which he went on to endorse all over again while being frog-marched by everything he hates into media damage control.

The thread is not about Cotchin, it's about successful football clubs and what it takes to build them.

 

[Calcium Man]

Which he went on to endorse all over again while being frog-marched by everything he hates into media damage control.

The thread is not about Cotchin, it's about successful football clubs and what it takes to build them.

But it is on the back of his comments and way for you to deride him with this comment

A young footballer and aspirational leader who walks into the RFC and has the red carpet rolled out, needs to have a burning passion to create a Richmond dynasty which matches or exceeds the above legacies.

Get over it. Yes i would love cotchin to stay on longer and i suspect he will but Geelong built a great side after losing their best player and having a captain retire. One player and one players decisions do not truly effect the greater club if the culture ,which Cotchin is a part of building, is good.

 

[Rayzorwire]

But it is on the back of his comments and way for you to deride him with this comment

Again, not about Cotchin.

I understand better than most how easy it is to go from being head-hunted as a teenager to starting to dictate your own terms and I understand better than most the mindset he has.

We're staring the ugly reality of a Casey/Campbell commerce whorehouse legacy square in the face.

Becoming professional footballer = opportunity to set yourself up and make football secondary.

At Richmond, this is all we've done for decades.

Real estate, owning pubs you couldn't kick a footy over in your prime, partying while playing the season, being a footballing businessman with your real eye on tomorrow, not your football club. You turn up, you be a professional businessman, you go on to win the same amount of flags as Wayne Campbell did or has been involved with.

Some would say 'smart', I would say the extent that blokes like Campbell and Casey took this club for a ride and continue to do so, makes a mockery of who we are, where we came from and where we really need to be in terms of mindset and culture if we ever ACTUALLY aim to be successful again.

Get over it.

The classic line from the herd.

I'll put it with the other 10,000.

 

[The Goon]

The word you're reaching for while mangling the English language, is confirmation, though to be fair, it's not a word you personally are likely to come across.

Great retort. Really sterling stuff.

 

[TJTIGER]

I was completely serious, I want Man Utd levels of domination & success.

My initial thoughts were, given the pay levels and opportunities after sporting life etc I wondered if this idea was realistic. But as you say Harmicheal Man Utd is an example of a club that have been able to dominate in the present day why can't RFC ????

 

[CoggaRules]

Our Ferguson awaits, HMick.

I lament the rise of the professional footballer.

It had to happen, the fact that some players at some clubs didn't have to really work while for other clubs, every single one of their players did, made things inherently unfair.

But I think we lost something irreplaceable along the way.

Men used to approach football as a very welcome release to the realities of the rest of their life. It was a celebration of manhood, never a burden like these whinging, privileged boys make it out to be. That feeling and the bond formed with the men who shared the same sort of life, was there until the day they died. Nowadays, it's a high paid profession, you make your money and you move on to 'better things.' Apparently these days, the better you are, the sooner you can retire.

For the men that built the successful eras at Richmond, outside of family and friends (who all bled Richmond), there were no better things than dominating the competition for as long as possible. You weren't dreaming in your early 20's of something 'far better' than walking out onto the G with your tribe and owning Melbourne. That was where you made your family name mean something that mattered and properly celebrated the heritage which gave you the enormous privilege to be a part of greatness.

Like most human endeavours, the spirit of football has been sorely abused by war and capitalism.

In an era where we've mostly pushed war to one side for the time being, we then softened up all our players with massive incomes related only to football (fed by the Harvey Norman's and the Tom Waterhouse's once Winfield and Peter Jackson were done) and gave those boys playing no real concept of how lucky they are to do what they do.

From the day he took the field, Jack Dyer never uttered a word which wasn't for the glorification of seeing our tribe beating everyone, forever.

How sick he would feel to listen to players talking of winning one flag on their way to being a multi-millionaire, then feeling their job was done, or earning many times the minimum wage with football as their only job and whinging about how 'hard' they have it.

Four flags or go find another club to be a whinging passenger at.

That's what Jack would say and the great man saved this club many times over long after his career.

We'd be history and bankrupt long ago without the Jack Dyer Fund (long after all his other work) and fighting for those same principles of hardness and excellence Jack epitomised is the Richmond way, come whichever President, CEO, Coach or Captain which may.

Four flags or go find another club which welcomes people who set out with the ambition to get rich failing over and over again.

Yep, Cotchin is a dud, delist