Weights coach ..

[loki04]

A new Weights coach is a must for the off season for a while now our Team really struggles to beef up to the size of the top teams watched quite a few of our boys just be pushed out of the contests like they weren't even there and it has happened for a while now.

When the mids can hold there own ground in the contest we may actually see them win a few clearences.

 

[beez]

Just like we need a new coach...
Just like we need a new head fitness guy...
Just like we need a new midfield...



Drawing a long bow here arent we?

 

[deck]

Been happening for years now. You would have thought they have learned from 02-03 when Brisbane bullied us around. Even our senior players look like puny compared to the midfielders of Geelong and Hawthorn.

 

[beez]

Been happening for years now. You would have thought they have learned from 02-03 when Brisbane bullied us around. Even our senior players look like puny compared to the midfielders of Geelong and Hawthorn.

I would've thought we matched it with them in 2002 Rd 8, the 02 Granny and the 03 Qualifying Final

 

[loki04]

Just like we need a new coach...
Just like we need a new head fitness guy...
Just like we need a new midfield...



Drawing a long bow here arent we?

not really ive been saying it since 03 but no one seems to care that we are physically smaller than most the top teams Hawks, Geelong both saw how the brisbane big bodied physical aproach worked and copied if only we did the same..

 

[smiddaz123]

We're recuiting players who struggle to put on weight imo.

Thomas, Reid, Dick and the like can do all the work they want, they can become ripped, but they'll never really eb bulky, it just isn't their body type.

 

[Teh_Nub]

I remember seeing buckley huge in the preseason in the paper, he can't be doing a to bad job.

Maybe there isn't enough emphasis or players wanting to do weights.

 

[Jabso]

The guy we've got literally wrote the book on weight training for AFL players.

Pendlebury has bulked up a fair bit but his frame will hold him back, Fraser, Thomas, Johnson simply don't have the frame.

 

[loki04]

The guy we've got literally wrote the book on weight training for AFL players.

Pendlebury has bulked up a fair bit but his frame will hold him back, Fraser, Thomas, Johnson simply don't have the frame.

He co wrote a book with buckley (who used to be the strongest player on the list) doesn't mean what he is doing is working for us, yet we see with our own eyes the results half the team are twigs and our players get thrown around lending to the fact they are not as physically strong.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Players rarely put weight on during the season due to the amount of running they do. Check them out again at preseason '09 and see how they've built up.

 

[Jabso]

He co wrote a book with buckley (who used to be the strongest player on the list) doesn't mean what he is doing is working for us, yet we see with our own eyes the results half the team are twigs and our players get thrown around lending to the fact they are not as physically strong.

What players in particular do you think should be bigger by now?

 

[loki04]

Players rarely put weight on during the season due to the amount of running they do. Check them out again at preseason '09 and see how they've built up.

yeah I know that I mean year after year we wait for our team to bulk up and it hasn't happened, thats what im refering to and those who body structuresd don't lend to that need to at least get as strong as the opposition which also isn't happening. You don't have to be huge to be strong...

 

[loki04]

What players in particular do you think should be bigger by now?

Not just bigger but stronger, probably wording wrong anyone who has been on the list for 3 or more years that still either underweight or getting thrown around like a rag doll from players who were drafted around there time or before.

Ellis had a smaller frame than Thomas he has now cuaght and looks slightly bigger... SHOWS THE HAWK VERSION VERS OURS.

Fraser 10 years worth of preseason's in the gym yet he gets thrown around by 3rd year rucks.

Most our midfield bar Burns and Swan.

Dunno might just be me but I feel a lot of teams push our players off the line or throw them out of the contest quite often.

 

[Kirby]

I think we look too short at times rather than too small.

Take Lockyer for example, he looks tiny out there, as does Davis.

 

[tazman]

we have the best sport science director in the land..

 

[Teh_Nub]

Not just bigger but stronger, probably wording wrong anyone who has been on the list for 3 or more years that still either underweight or getting thrown around like a rag doll from players who were drafted around there time or before.

Ellis had a smaller frame than Thomas he has now cuaght and looks slightly bigger... SHOWS THE HAWK VERSION VERS OURS.

Fraser 10 years worth of preseason's in the gym yet he gets thrown around by 3rd year rucks.

Most our midfield bar Burns and Swan.

Dunno might just be me but I feel a lot of teams push our players off the line or throw them out of the contest quite often.

Obree not small

And it takes a few years to actually get big although Collingwood would have access to supps and stuff, i guess more of the focus is put on agility, endurance and pace. You can't do these effectively if ur big.

 

[spartan-magpie]

i think we are too "small" overall as a team.. i doubt thats due totally to our weights routine.. its more due yo the fact collingwood generally seems to draft midfielders that fall into ectomorph catergory.. however, having said this, i think ours weights coach is not training all players on a custom program which caters to cetrain individuals.. i mean.. look a dale thomas.. has mad virtually no progrees in the 4 yeas at out club.. i honestly know that if i had trained him durn this period we would have added 10-12 kilos of lean bulk... with the amount of time, facilties, recovery programs, dietery advice etc. the club isnt getting tis bang for its buck.. id advise collingwood football club to look up an ex-body builder named sam ioannidis.. about 5'3 and built like a minoataur.. is an expert in the fitness industry has been involved for 30 years and would be of great help to the club.. i trained at his gym for 6 months and learnt more there in that period in 3 years at other gyms... also for those of u that think a bodybuilders training regime isnt suited to afl it is, provided it is modified for certain players and to their weaknesses..

the worst thing aboout our players physiques is that they concentrate mainly on their core strength.. around the mid section.. this is fine.. but what about the shoulder girdle area(if our player want to to do damage in tackling, apart fro the right technique-which seems to be lacking too right now- a goog set of traps is vital-look at nfl and nrl players,? Big chests(where have they gone.. remember dunstall? unbeatable in a push off and lead situation.. due to a cheast that could bench well over 400pounds.. big thighs??? we want to stand up and break tackles.need thighs thighs hams and glutes that squat and deadlift big numbers... (ala gary ablett jnr..)

 

[smiddaz123]

Leon Davis is very very strong.

I remember him beating Kerr in a contested situation. He is VERY strong.

 

[King Woodie]

i think we are too "small" overall as a team.. i doubt thats due totally to our weights routine.. its more due yo the fact collingwood generally seems to draft midfielders that fall into ectomorph catergory.. however, having said this, i think ours weights coach is not training all players on a custom program which caters to cetrain individuals.. i mean.. look a dale thomas.. has mad virtually no progrees in the 4 yeas at out club.. i honestly know that if i had trained him durn this period we would have added 10-12 kilos of lean bulk... with the amount of time, facilties, recovery programs, dietery advice etc. the club isnt getting tis bang for its buck.. id advise collingwood football club to look up an ex-body builder named sam ioannidis.. about 5'3 and built like a minoataur.. is an expert in the fitness industry has been involved for 30 years and would be of great help to the club.. i trained at his gym for 6 months and learnt more there in that period in 3 years at other gyms... also for those of u that think a bodybuilders training regime isnt suited to afl it is, provided it is modified for certain players and to their weaknesses..

the worst thing aboout our players physiques is that they concentrate mainly on their core strength.. around the mid section.. this is fine.. but what about the shoulder girdle area(if our player want to to do damage in tackling, apart fro the right technique-which seems to be lacking too right now- a goog set of traps is vital-look at nfl and nrl players,? Big chests(where have they gone.. remember dunstall? unbeatable in a push off and lead situation.. due to a cheast that could bench well over 400pounds.. big thighs??? we want to stand up and break tackles.need thighs thighs hams and glutes that squat and deadlift big numbers... (ala gary ablett jnr..)

No matter who much Mr Ioniddis trains Thomas, he will never have legs like Ablett. It is about genetic body shape moreso than weights.

We can get bigger as a team, though, if we want, but poeple will need to accept that it will make us slower, less agile, and less able to cover ground. Then people will argue that we are too slow.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Again, putting on weight as a body builder is a lot different to putting on weight as an AFL footballer. I'm not suggesting this 5'3" Minotaur fits in this category, but many body builders would struggle to run around the block. They're probably not also subject to stringent drug testing in the sense the AFL boys are with ASADA.

 

[loki04]

No matter who much Mr Ioniddis trains Thomas, he will never have legs like Ablett. It is about genetic body shape moreso than weights.

We can get bigger as a team, though, if we want, but poeple will need to accept that it will make us slower, less agile, and less able to cover ground. Then people will argue that we are too slow.

That is a false-ism, weights improves explosiveness which is what you need in AFL.

I don't hear people calling the Hawks slow or the Cats or the old lions of 01 -04 or essendon 00 ect ect.

 

[King Woodie]

Leg weights improve leg explosiveness. Upper body weights do not improve leg explosiveness.

Our players would be heavier and therefore it would be harder to get that weight moving quickly (it is the principle of inertia) therefore we would be slower.

Brisbane were not a fast team - they bullied teams into submission. Hawthorn are not a fast team - they use their zone style defence and have two dominant key forwards.

 

[loki04]

Leg weights improve leg explosiveness. Upper body weights do not improve leg explosiveness.

Our players would be heavier and therefore it would be harder to get that weight moving quickly (it is the principle of inertia) therefore we would be slower.

Brisbane were not a fast team - they bullied teams into submission. Hawthorn are not a fast team - they use their zone style defence and have two dominant key forwards.

Tell that to sprinters...

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Sprinters are a completely inappropriate comparison though, AFL is an endurance sport.

 

[loki04]

Sprinters are a completely inappropriate comparison though, AFL is an endurance sport.

We have gone off topic we are arguing wether that weights slows you down or not, not wether your wind tank will be affected.

and I like how every thing posted in forums gets taken into extremes like you can bulk up without going over board and improve your areas and not lose much if anything at all.

But people respond like we are calling for the club to turn the players into powerlifters or body builders which isn't the case, more that we can improve in the strength and size of some of our players.

Also Brisbane weren't a slow team niether are the cats might not of been lightning quick but they were far from slow, infact we were slower despite being smaller.... go figure.