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Were the majority of South Melbourne's 1962 team accountants, auditors & book-keepers, obsessed with matching numbers like perfectly balanced debits and credits?

One has to wonder, given the way the Swans played a Round 13 game against St Kilda at the Lake Oval.

In the first quarter, South kicked 4.4, 2.2 in the second & 3.3 in the third, to go to the final change with a score of 9.9-63. And it looked a match-winning score, given the Saints had trailed all day due to dismal scoring evidenced by their paltry quarter by quarter scores of 2.4, 2.9 & 3.9.

Maybe the Swans were so obsessed with maintaining perfect symmetry that their final quarter strategy was not to score at all, given the Saints trailed by 36 points and seemingly posed little danger? If this was the plan, it back-fired big time. The Swans did indeed fail to score, but allowed the Saints to score 8.5-53, St Kilda reeling in the Swans' 6-goal lead then running away to win by 17 points, 11.14-80 to 9.9-63.
 

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Were the majority of South Melbourne's 1962 team accountants, auditors & book-keepers, obsessed with matching numbers like perfectly balanced debits and credits?

One has to wonder, given the way the Swans played a Round 13 game against St Kilda at the Lake Oval.

In the first quarter, South kicked 4.4, 2.2 in the second & 3.3 in the third, to go to the final change with a score of 9.9-63. And it looked a match-winning score, given the Saints had trailed all day due to dismal scoring evidenced by their paltry quarter by quarter scores of 2.4, 2.9 & 3.9.

Maybe the Swans were so obsessed with maintaining perfect symmetry that their final quarter strategy was not to score at all, given the Saints trailed by 36 points and seemingly posed little danger? If this was the plan, it back-fired big time. The Swans did indeed fail to score, but allowed the Saints to score 8.5-53, St Kilda reeling in the Swans' 6-goal lead then running away to win by 17 points, 11.14-80 to 9.9-63.
I make it 29 times in total that teams have scored the same number of goals as behinds in all four quarters, with Port Adelaide in 2007 the last to manage it:-
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During the grand final Bruce McAvaney made mention early in the final quarter that the scores were locked at 61 to 54 in the Bulldogs favour, thus reflecting the two previous years in which the Bulldogs had played in a grand final. The scores were also 61 to 54 during the preliminary final, in GWS' favour, during the third quarter.
So in round 1 next season the Bulldogs will be on track for two curious hat tricks. Finishing with a score of 13.11 (89), and having the scores locked at 61-54 at some point.
Well, those two particular hat tricks did not occur, however:

round 1, 2017: the Bulldogs' first match as reigning premier saw them kick 15 goals and have a victory over Collingwood
round 1, 1955: the Bulldogs' first match as reigning premier saw them kick 15 goals and have a victory over Collingwood

The 1955 match saw the Bulldogs kick four more behinds than their 2017 score. The 1955 winning margin (56) was four times greater than the 2017 margin (14).
 

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After quarter time tonight we had 41 straight points for the cats, followed by 41 straight for the Bulldogs then 25 straight for the Cats again.
 

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After scoring 108 in the grand final, Richmond have now produced a score in the 100s range for the first time in a grand final. They have produced grand final scores in every range from the 10s to the 120s:

Richmond have produced:
1 score in the 10s: 1927
1 score in the 20s: 1933
1 score in the 30s: 1921
1 score in the 40s: 1931
4 scores in the 50s: 1919, 1920, 1929, 1944
2 scores in the 60s: 1928, 1940
1 score in the 70s: 1942
3 scores in the 80s: 1943, 1969, 1982
1 score in the 90s: 1932
1 score in the 100s: 2017
2 scores in the 110s: 1967, 1973
2 scores in the 120s: 1934, 1974

They have also kicked two grand final scores in the 150s, in 1972 and 1980.
 

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http://australianfootball.com/seasons/season/vfl/126/premiership+season/9/9/2007
2007 VFL season, first elimination final between Bendigo and Ballarat.
North Ballarat: 1.5 4.8 10.19 21.22 (148)
Bendigo: 7.3 13.8 16.14 16.15 (111)

Yes, this really happened. Bendigo was 54 points up at half time, and lost. Comfortably. They were outscored 11.3 (69) to 0.1 (1) in the final quarter alone.
Quite possibly the craziest score line I have ever seen.
 

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http://australianfootball.com/seasons/season/vfl/126/premiership+season/9/9/2007
2007 VFL season, first elimination final between Bendigo and Ballarat.
North Ballarat: 1.5 4.8 10.19 21.22 (148)
Bendigo: 7.3 13.8 16.14 16.15 (111)

Yes, this really happened. Bendigo was 54 points up at half time, and lost. Comfortably. They were outscored 11.3 (69) to 0.1 (1) in the final quarter alone.
Quite possibly the craziest score line I have ever seen.
Something similar happened in this year's VAFA D1 grand final:

St Mary's Salesian 8.2-50 11.4-70 14.6-90 14.7-91
PEGS Football Club 0.1-1 5.5-35 12.7-79 15.14-104

http://www.vafa.com.au/sections/division-1/
 

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After scoring 108 in the grand final, Richmond have now produced a score in the 100s range for the first time in a grand final. They have produced grand final scores in every range from the 10s to the 120s:

Richmond have produced:
1 score in the 10s: 1927
1 score in the 20s: 1933
1 score in the 30s: 1921
1 score in the 40s: 1931
4 scores in the 50s: 1919, 1920, 1929, 1944
2 scores in the 60s: 1928, 1940
1 score in the 70s: 1942
3 scores in the 80s: 1943, 1969, 1982
1 score in the 90s: 1932
1 score in the 100s: 2017
2 scores in the 110s: 1967, 1973
2 scores in the 120s: 1934, 1974

They have also kicked two grand final scores in the 150s, in 1972 and 1980.
Of course Richmond are not likely to kick a score in the 0s - though of course they were the last to do so in Round 16 of 1961 when they scored 0-8 (8) against St. Kilda.

What's amazing is that six years later, on the same date and round, the Tigers scored 23-30 (168) against Hawthorn! That 23-30 was the highest score of 1967, and what's more amazing is that the 1961 score was on a fine warm day, and the 1967 score on a rainy one! To improve from eight behinds in good conditions to fifty-three scoring shots in the wet is one of the most remarkable team turnarounds in football history, even over a relatively long time span and taking into account the difference in quality of the defences.

As with Geelong two decades and a bit later, Richmond at that time undoubtedly knew that they had to improve their attacking ability to be competitive after that Junction Oval debacle - and they did that in a remarkable way from 1965 onwards. Although the Tigers between 1965 and 1982 never equalled the scores Geelong were to achieve after their somewhat analogous transformation with the recruitment of Gary Ablett and late Billy Brownless, in many ways the Richmond attack of 1980 (as a finale to this period) still stands as the most powerful the VFL/AFL has ever seen.
 

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Yeah I was at that game, it was an amazing game to watch. The Eagles went on to win. Also it was at the WACA. The match was in 1997 and details are here http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_match_statistics?mid=802

However the match with the melee that ended up with Sumich being strangled unconcious by Danny Southern was I believe at Subiaco Oval and a different match? I believe it was Round 24 1994.
That 8 goal 1st qtr game was 1998 not 1997. Dogs won at the WACA in 1997 in the game then Dogs coach Terry Wallace gave an interview to Ch7 while the game continued in the last qtr.
 

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2 years in a row the Pies kicked 200+ points against the Saints.
1979 round 4. 31.21.207
1980 round 17. 32.19.211
That Round 17 game of 1980 is noteworthy in that St. Kilda suffered the ignominy of becoming the only team to concede 200 points in successive games. Richmond had scored 34-18 (222) against them the previous week, for a combined total of 66-37 (433) over two games. No club has equalled the ignominy of conceding 30 goals in consecutive matches, although in 1993 Sydney conceded 30 goals twice in three matches against North Melbourne and Brisbane.

What’s more ignominous still is that the Saints actually had led at quarter-time in both those games – scoring 7-1 to 5-3 against Richmond and 7-2 to 6-3 against Collingwood!
 

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That Round 17 game of 1980 is noteworthy in that St. Kilda suffered the ignominy of becoming the only team to concede 200 points in successive games. Richmond had scored 34-18 (222) against them the previous week, for a combined total of 66-37 (433) over two games. No club has equalled the ignominy of conceding 30 goals in consecutive matches, although in 1993 Sydney conceded 30 goals twice in three matches against North Melbourne and Brisbane.

What’s more ignominous still is that the Saints actually had led at quarter-time in both those games – scoring 7-1 to 5-3 against Richmond and 7-2 to 6-3 against Collingwood!
Thanks for that. I love those sort of stats.
The 1980 game, I took my best mate along to Waverley, who is a saints supporter. It was the first game of footy he'd even been too. He's still a mad saints fan, so I didn't kill his love for the Saints:)
After the 1979 game, the Saints players were invited back to the Collingwood Social Club for drinks. They all declined, except for Trevor Barker, who was then dating Collingwood coach Tom Hafeys daughter.
 

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Thanks for that. I love those sort of stats.
The 1980 game, I took my best mate along to Waverley, who is a saints supporter. It was the first game of footy he'd even been too. He’s still a mad saints fan, so I didn’t kill his love for the Saints:)
After the 1979 game, the Saints players were invited back to the Collingwood Social Club for drinks. They all declined, except for Trevor Barker, who was then dating Collingwood coach Tom Hafey’s daughter.
One remarkable fact is that the round before the Saints suffered the ignominy of conceding 200 points twice in successive games, South Melbourne scored a mere 6-14 (50) against them at Moorabbin – though South Melbourne’s was still a winning score and indeed the equal-lowest winning score between Round 13, 1977 and Round 16, 1984! The 172 point increase is the greatest increase in the score conceded by a team from one week to the next.

St. Kilda also has the second highest increase, when in 1989 they conceded only 9-13 against Sydney (round 6) and then 35-18 against Geelong (round 7) for an increase of 161 points. The greatest fall in the score conceded by a team from one week to the next was in 1983, when North Melbourne conceded 34-16 (220) against Fitzroy and then only 7-8 (50) against (amazingly) Sydney.
 
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Round 5 in 2001 Fremantle had a 15 point lead against the Brisbane Lions in the last quarter but lost by 49 points (Final score 171-122).
 

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Round 5 in 2001 Fremantle had a 15 point lead against the Brisbane Lions in the last quarter but lost by 49 points (Final score 171-122).
in 2011, the crows led Collingwood by 24 points early in the final quarter. Collingwood then kicked 11 goals in 15 mins
 

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I think this one fits into the category of weird football scores, and it's from just the other day in the SANFL. Conditions in Adelaide over the weekend were dreadful but that's still a rather amazing scoreline!: Port Adelaide Magpies 4.4 (28) vs. Woodville-West Torrens Eagles 2.16 (28)

http://sanfl.com.au/League-stats/?matchid=104450302&leagueid=fixture-2018-10445

While Port kicked 2.1 in the last quarter, doubling it's goal tally, the Eagles managed to kick their only goals for the day (2.6), and the game ended in a draw.
 

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I think this one fits into the category of weird football scores, and it's from just the other day in the SANFL. Conditions in Adelaide over the weekend were dreadful but that's still a rather amazing scoreline!: Port Adelaide Magpies 4.4 (28) vs. Woodville-West Torrens Eagles 2.16 (28)

http://sanfl.com.au/League-stats/?matchid=104450302&leagueid=fixture-2018-10445

While Port kicked 2.1 in the last quarter, doubling it's goal tally, the Eagles managed to kick their only goals for the day (2.6), and the game ended in a draw.
That score is incredible! No goals were scored in the second and third quarters! I'm sure that has never happened in the VFL or AFL since St. Kilda against Carlton in 1915! That day, a cool and wet one, St. Kilda did not score after quarter time and Carlton did not goal between the first and last quarters before adding 3-5 (23) in the final stanza. Only Richmond against Geelong in 1918, Carlton against Richmond in an impossible cross-wind in 1927, and Sydney against Essendon in 1989, have since won without goalling in the second and third quarters, although in the drawn 1997 Grand Final North Melbourne scores 0-11 (11) between quarter-time and three-quarter time.
 

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That score is incredible! No goals were scored in the second and third quarters! I'm sure that has never happened in the VFL or AFL since St. Kilda against Carlton in 1915! That day, a cool and wet one, St. Kilda did not score after quarter time and Carlton did not goal between the first and last quarters before adding 3-5 (23) in the final stanza. Only Richmond against Geelong in 1918, Carlton against Richmond in an impossible cross-wind in 1927, and Sydney against Essendon in 1989, have since won without goalling in the second and third quarters, although in the drawn 1997 Grand Final North Melbourne scores 0-11 (11) between quarter-time and three-quarter time.
Great stuff!! That's certainly the last time since St Kilda vs. Carlton in 1915 that a VFL/AFL game has had no goals kicked in the second and third quarters. Incredibly, on the same day Collingwood managed to win (over South Melbourne by 15 points) despite also being goal-less in those two quarters.
 
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Fremantle v Sydney WACA 1997. Freo won 6.12 (48) to 3.15 (33).

Freo's QT score was 4.6 (30). Sydney only scored 0.8 in the first half.
 
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Time for a weird score from Major League Baseball - way back in August 1922 the Chicago Cubs defeated the Philadelphia Phillies 26-23, in the highest scoring game in MLB history. Here is the box score:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHN/CHN192208250.shtml

What is truly weird is that 24 of the Cubs' 26 runs came in just 2 innings - 10 in the 2nd inning and 14 in the 4th inning.
 

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Fremantle v Sydney WACA 1997. Freo won 6.12 (48) to 3.15 (33).

Freo's QT score was 4.6 (30). Sydney only scored 0.8 in the first half.
Have that game on DVD. Fremantle won it by getting a break whilst the weather was dry and then when the rain did come neither team could do anything because the ball was just so slippery, until the Swans got two goals in a minute or so. Fremantle steadied after that to avoid the ignominy of losing after holding the opponent goalless to half-time – that happened to North Melbourne in 2004 and Hawthorn against West Coast in 2012. At that time the last occasion a team had won after being goalless at half time was Essendon in 1984 against Footscray; however the preceding two cases had been when neither team goalled in the first half.

Had Sydney won, they would have equalled the greatest actual half-time deficit by a team winning from goalless at half-time of 22 points. It’s rather weird that this has occurred twice, and both were against Geelong:

Round 15, 1902:

Geelong................2-3 (15)......4-6 (30)......5-6 (36).......5-6 (36)
Fitzroy................0-4 (4).......0-8 (8).......2-12 (24)......6-15 (51)


Round 2, 1910:

Geelong................2-6 (18)......4-6 (30)......5-8 (38).......6-9 (45)
Carlton................0-2 (2).......0-8 (8).......4-10 (34).....10-15 (75)


What’s just as odd is that two teams have won from goalless and 21 points down at half-time:

Round 6, 1899:

St. Kilda..............3-4 (22)......4-4 (28)......4-4 (28).......4-5 (29)
Carlton................0-0 (0).......0-7 (7).......1-7 (13).......4-7 (31)


(one can imagine how St. Kilda’s supporters felt as it was by eight points the closest they had got to a VFL win to that point, and they would have been heartbroken at losing after leading all day!)

Round 10, 1936:

North Melbourne........0-5 (5).......0-5 (5).......4-9 (33).......9-11 (65)
Fitzroy................2-3 (15)......3-8 (26)......3-10 (28)......3-12 (30)


One team has won from goalless at 20 points down at half-time:

Round 6, 1905:

Melbourne..............1-1 (7).......3-5 (23)......4-7 (31).......5-8 (38)
Carlton
................0-1 (1).......0-3 (3).......3-5 (23).......6-5 (41)


It’s strange from these figures that no goalless team has come from more than a 22-point half-time deficit to win. In fact, of the seven matches since 1936 where a team won after being goalless at half-time, in none of them was the eventual victor more than 12 points behind at the long interval. Moreover, there are many cases where a team has won from more than 22 points behind at half-time, but the nearest to occurring from a goalless team was St. Kilda’s comeback from 48 points down with only one goal on the board at half-time against Richmond in 1975.
 
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