What are we Missing

[Snooperclyde]

Nope. I think there may be a bit of a clean out either trade for high picks or delist. We may just roll the dice this year and pick up more late picks just to see if we unearth a dean cox. Will only be at expense of players who are ready for delist anyways.

Spot on

I think we have missed the boat with trading players, lets get real, Hansen would have been bait 2 years ago, Seaby last year should have gone, but Nata was only a chance at the time so unlucky and Staker will be lucky to get much interest. Of the players that would be trade bait, well we need them ATM. In all honesty Hansen and Seaby will be lucky to get a gig elsewhere and Staker + our third round pick might get a second round pick.

 

[Snooperclyde]

Where do you see him fitting in? There's no doubt to his talent and X-factor, but what position do you see him holding down?

I could see him going to Carlton and carving it up on the HFF though.

Embley should be playing half back like 08. He was great.
We do need some of the older players and Embley is a required player.

Waters and the Selwood's can spend more time on the ball next year if Embers plays half back.

 

[bunsen burner]

Embley should be playing half back like 08. He was great.

He was okay. He's the type who fires and provides x-factor in very good teams. Right now he is just cruising. He does not have x-factor right now due to where the team is at.

We do need some of the older players and Embley is a required player.

The only untradeable player we have right now is Darren Glass. Just because a player is required doesn't mean they aren't tradeable. Imagine if Carlton offered their first pick for him. West COast would be mad not to take it.

Waters and the Selwood's can spend more time on the ball next year if Embers plays half back.

Hurn is locked in as one HBF. In the long term i believe Adam Selwood will be the other. Embley's best position is HFF or wing. When the time is right and we are firing I believe he will be put back there.

 

[Audacious]

I think we are missing pace.

Priddis, McNamara, Masten, Ebert, Swift and Cockie are all average paced. Shuey i havent seen in action. Anyone know if he can break the lines?

Kerr might as well be averaged paced because he has a tagger piggy backing him every minute he is on the ground.

We just dont look dangerous through the corridoor. Opposition teams run off us when they have the ball, and even if they turn it over they arent worried because we have no-one who can break through the lines and cause the defence any trouble. Its quite a luxury for opposition teams knowing they can run freely and recklessly with the ball knowing we cant hurt them going the other way.

 

[bodazoka]

Staker, Seaby, Stinga, Fletcher, Wirra and Hansen are the only players I would seriously entertain trading right now. The only guys who are worth anything would be Staker, Hansen and Seaby. Seaby will most likely go into the PSD, Staker would realistically be worth 30+ and Hansen wouldnt be worth too much more then that. I think the best way to utilize a trade for them would be a pick upgrade rather than an extra draft pick.

Hunter I would also consider trading, but only if I thought that either Spangher or Wilkes were going to suddenly step up next year and take his spot or If we decided that we want Brown to be our third tall/CHB for the next 10 years, which could be an option with Lynch, Kennedy and Notte. Embley I would only trade If I thought that Houlihan or Spangher could come in as of next year and take his spot as a Wingman from him.

 

[Snooperclyde]

Staker will add considerable value to a settled and mature team. IMO he is an extremely talented footballer

pffft

No you are right, he should play blinders again in round 10 next year and then again some time in 2011 if he is true to form.

 

[Snooperclyde]

I think we are missing pace.

Priddis, McNamara, Masten, Ebert, Swift and Cockie are all average paced. Shuey i havent seen in action. Anyone know if he can break the lines?

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Masten is an exceptional runner, school champion or inter school quality if I remember correctly.

 

[Jafa]

Staker, Seaby, Stinga, Fletcher, Wirra and Hansen are the only players I would seriously entertain trading right now. The only guys who are worth anything would be Staker, Hansen and Seaby. Seaby will most likely go into the PSD, Staker would realistically be worth 30+ and Hansen wouldnt be worth too much more then that. I think the best way to utilize a trade for them would be a pick upgrade rather than an extra draft pick.

Hunter I would also consider trading, but only if I thought that either Spangher or Wilkes were going to suddenly step up next year and take his spot or If we decided that we want Brown to be our third tall/CHB for the next 10 years, which could be an option with Lynch, Kennedy and Notte. Embley I would only trade If I thought that Houlihan or Spangher could come in as of next year and take his spot as a Wingman from him.

All that cold weather and rain we are having today must be messing you up a little . You might entertain trading Stinga, Fletcher and Wirra but no one would reciprocate. I doubt anyone would look at Hunter either.

 

[lewigie]

Embley is a gun.

We need his run.

 

[EagleMan87]

Embley is a gun.

We need his run.

Rhyming is fun.

I miss the sun

 

[Snooperclyde]

Rhyming is fun.

I miss the sun

he he he

 

[MaxHunt]

As said a number of times we are missing experience. The question is do we buy it?

I have faith that our fwd line will be good. We dont need a 80-100 goal kicker if we have 4 players that can kick 40-55 plus 2/3 that can bag 20ish, which we do, they just need a little more time and better delivery.

Our backline is fast becoming solid again as well.

Rucks ... no problems there.

I can see we have the mids coming through. However, we need another tagger. This would free up A.Selwood to play a more attacking role and in turn assist Kerr. When let go, Selwood has proven very good this season.

I thought last trade period that we should've traded for Ray. It seems at the moment that Scott Selwood is being groomed for a tagger but i believe that this is a waste. What about Pat McG?

Thing is, as with all other positions, it takes time to learn the art of tagging. Thats why there are only a few elite ones.

Would we trade for Troy Selwood?

Butler should not be traded. He needs another season to prove himself.

 

[lewigie]

Swannies knows all that is needed to know about WAFL, and supposedly McGinnity is doing pretty well as a tagger, if i remember correctly?

 

[bunsen burner]

I can see we have the mids coming through. However, we need another tagger. This would free up A.Selwood to play a more attacking role and in turn assist Kerr. When let go, Selwood has proven very good this season.

Adam Selwood is not our midfield answer. Name a game where he teared it up and really damaged the opposition? We have some real young kids in the pipeline who will hopefully deliver the goods. If Adam Selwood ends up being one of our frontline mids I'm afraid we won't be that good.

It seems at the moment that Scott Selwood is being groomed for a tagger but i believe that this is a waste.

The tagging role is often an apprenticeship for young mids who can't come straight in and dominate.

Thing is, as with all other positions, it takes time to learn the art of tagging.

One of the easiest roles in footy. That's why hacks like Stephen Baker, Anthony Franchina, Jarrad Crouch etc do tagging roles.

Taggers are like parking inspectors. They are wannabe cops just as taggers are wannabe midfielders. Look at all the good taggers - Ling, Crouch, Stenglein, Baker etc. None started out as elite players and the only one who ended up elite is Kirk. Judd and Cousins never took on tagger roles for a good reason - they were talented enough to bypass that bit.

Look at Joseph from Carlton. He's not an elite player but he's doing a fantastic job tagging in the first few games of his career.

Thats why there are only a few elite ones.

The tagging role is like short leg in cricket - apprenticeship role where only a few stay there for lengthy periods.

Would we trade for Troy Selwood?

No use for him.

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

Really wouldn't mind Troy Selwood we could get him cheap to dont know if he is required by Vossy?

He would be handy backup player.

I wouldn't use much more than a 4th rounder or a player swap.

Nico for Selwood maybe, there both about the same value to there side.

 

[MaxHunt]

One of the easiest roles in footy. That's why hacks like Stephen Baker, Anthony Franchina, Jarrad Crouch etc do tagging roles.

Total Rubbish. If it was so easy there would be loads of quality ones. There is not. Where-as there are plenty of good attacking mids. Good taggers are often picked in the first 5 in any club. Ling, Cornes, Kirk. Sewell was before he was released to. Very similar player to A.Selwood i would say.

Also i didn't say Selwood is the answer i said experience is. Releasing selwood would assist Kerr.

 

[MaxHunt]

The tagging role is like short leg in cricket - apprenticeship role where only a few stay there for lengthy periods.

Did you actually read this statement before posting it?

The so called few that stay there are invaluable to the teams they play for.

 

[bunsen burner]

Total Rubbish. If it was so easy there would be loads of quality ones.

How do you explain why Judd, Cousins, Cotchin, Gibbs, Cooney never had tagging roles but Steven Baker, Franchina, Carrazzo, Crouch, Ling etc were introduced into taging roles?

Sort of suggests an attacking midfield role is harder than a tagging midfield role.

And there are a lot of quality taggers. Follow man, wrap him up whenever the ball comes to him. Just got to have the tank to run with the gun.

There is not. Where-as there are plenty of good attacking mids.

Err, because every club has 7-8 attacking mids and maybe 1-2 taggers as part of their structure. I's not as if Carlton sit there and lament:

Damn, Joseph's our only good stopper. We have all these bloody useless attacking mids. If only Judd, Gibbs, and Murphy were good enough to tag. Maybe if we get some games up their belts we can develop them into good taggers.

 

[MaxHunt]

How do you explain why Judd, Cousins, Cotchin, Gibbs, Cooney never had tagging roles but Steven Baker, Franchina, Carrazzo, Crouch, Ling etc were introduced into taging roles?

Sort of suggests an attacking midfield role is harder than a tagging midfield role.

And there are a lot of quality taggers. Follow man, wrap him up whenever the ball comes to him. Just got to have the tank to run with the gun.

Err, because every club has 7-8 attacking mids and maybe 1-2 taggers as part of their structure. I's not as if Carlton sit there and lament:

Damn, Joseph's our only good stopper. We have all these bloody useless attacking mids. If only Judd, Gibbs, and Murphy were good enough to tag. Maybe if we get some games up their belts we can develop them into good taggers.

You failed to respond to the statement. If it is so easy then why are there not more top line taggers? Someone who can negate the oppositions best mid whilst collecting a few himself is worth his weigh in gold.

 

[bunsen burner]

Did you actually read this statement before posting it?

The so called few that stay there are invaluable to the teams they play for.

You are delusional. It's comical that you are sitting there and patronising me.

1. The few that stay are the ones who are good at the role but not good enough to be attacking mids. Cameron Ling springs to mind. Average player, was given a tagger role (unlike Selwood who went straight into a proper midfield role), excelled at the role, was given a promotion, wasn't good enough. He's a career tagger because he's not good enough to be an attacking mid.

2. Taggers are invaluable to their teams. That doesn't mean it's a hard role.

3. Taggers are 1 of 2 things: midfielders doing apprenticeships or players who aren't good enough to be out and out midfielders.

 

[bunsen burner]

You failed to respond to the statement.

Your mum called. had to go to bed.

If it is so easy then why are there not more top line taggers?

Because, every team at most has 1 dedicated tagger. Like with everything, some taggers are better than others. That doesn't mean tagging is hard.

Someone who can negate the oppositions best mid whilst collecting a few himself is worth his weigh in gold.

This is what you're not grasping: yes, such a player is very important to the structure of the team. But it's not a hard role. That's why the position is given to apprentices or players who aren't good enough to ne top line mids.

Chris Judd, as you know is not easily replaced.
Steven Baker can be replaced far easier.
There are only few players with Chris Judd's talent.
There are many players with Steven baker's talent.

It's a pretty simple equation dumbo.

 

[no1bankteller]

Your mum called. had to go to bed.


Because, every team at most has 1 dedicated tagger. Like with everything, some taggers are better than others. That doesn't mean tagging is hard.

This is what you're not grasping: yes, such a player is very important to the structure of the team. But it's not a hard role. That's why the position is given to apprentices or players who aren't good enough to ne top line mids.

Chris Judd, as you know is not easily replaced.
Steven Baker can be replaced far easier.
There are only few players with Chris Judd's talent.
There are many players with Steven baker's talent.

It's a pretty simple equation dumbo.

Have you taken your angry pills lately .

I am not sure if there is some history between the two of you but I think you are being a bit harsh.

Anyway, back on the (sub) topic.

I see Adam Selwood as our third or fourth best midfielder, once our midfield is up and firing, it is due to lack of depth that at the moment he seems to be playing as a second best mid in our team. Long term I am not sure if he will go back to being a tagger but I do think that he has become a lot more damaging over the last season or so.

Looking 2 years down the track I see Scott becoming the second best Selwood. This may sound harsh but I have massive hopes for him.

With respect to what we are missing (I think that our midfield will come good, as our players gain experience and mature, so I do not see a too much of a need there) I would love to see a hard as nails hard half forward in the ilk of Peter "Willow" Wilson. A player that has decent skills can kick a long goal and does not mind giving the opposition something to worry about.

 

[bunsen burner]

Have you taken your angry pills lately .

I am not sure if there is some history between the two of you but I think you are being a bit harsh.

I wasn't the on who started it.

Interesting to hear your thoughts on taggers though. Max Hunt has it completely wrong and then has the nerve to patronise someone. He deserved what he is getting. He's probably one of those nuffies who think Rowan Jones was more important than Chris Judd. Where the f*** do these people come from? Graylands is handing out too many day passes.

 

[MaxHunt]

Your mum called. had to go to bed.


Because, every team at most has 1 dedicated tagger. Like with everything, some taggers are better than others. That doesn't mean tagging is hard.

This is what you're not grasping: yes, such a player is very important to the structure of the team. But it's not a hard role. That's why the position is given to apprentices or players who aren't good enough to ne top line mids.

Chris Judd, as you know is not easily replaced.
Steven Baker can be replaced far easier.
There are only few players with Chris Judd's talent.
There are many players with Steven baker's talent.

It's a pretty simple equation dumbo.

Your comedy is side-splitting
Baker is not in the best 3 taggers in the comp. Why use Judd then him as a comparison? Judd is in the top 3 mids.

I have never once said that someone like Baker is more important to a team than a Judd. Please show me where i did. You are exaggerating to help prove your feeble point.
All i stated was that good taggers are harder to find than you are saying in addition to saying that Selwood has shown that when released into an attacking mid this season that he is very capable and with his bigger body would be able to assist Kerr more than the younger guys. And i’m still sticking by it.

You try to stop someone of the calibre of Ablett, Judd Cooney etc... little harder than think you think it is.

You think you own a discussion by using personal attacks eh?
For the record you started babbling when you attempted to dissect my post so poorly.

 

[bunsen burner]

Your comedy is side-splitting

You said:

Total Rubbish. If it was so easy there would be loads of quality ones. There is not. Where-as there are plenty of good attacking mids. Good taggers are often picked in the first 5 in any club.

And this

If it is so easy then why are there not more top line taggers? Someone who can negate the oppositions best mid whilst collecting a few himself is worth his weigh in gold.

There is not many good taggers. Where-as there are plenty of good attacking mids.

You have way over-emphasised the talent of tagging. Taggers are either apprentice midfielders who aren't good enough to go straight into the role, or midfielders who aren't good enough to be out and out midfielders.

Compared to an attacking midfielder, tagging is far easier. That's why Joseph from Carlton can excel in his first few games of his career and why Cameron Ling who is not up to scratch as a stand alone midfielder can be an elite tagger.