What are we Missing

[bunsen burner]

1)We need to trade kerr and let the young brigade learn off each other.

2)We need a small forward Crumber with that X factor we keep hearing about.

3)We need Waters back to add much needed aggression.

4) we need a Genuine FF that can kick more goals then behinds and consistantly.

5) We need to find a hitman in the midfield.

Then we will be successful

True, but the absolute one that is more important than all else is #1 - we must develop an A-grade midfield. Whether we should trade Kerr is debateable. 50/50 for me.

A hitman/enforcer would be nice but not really necessary. More need is just alround toughness which will come in time providing our midfield goes all the way. When you're in that zone and you have a talented midfield and the rest of the team gels and you start to believe you can win a flag, players step up in hardness.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

What's the point of trading?

No point going after stop-gaps, and blue-chip mids would cost us too much.

Rebuilding through the draft is the way forward.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

Whether we should trade Kerr is debateable. 50/50 for me.

I question whether we would get enough in return to make it worthwhile.

 

[bunsen burner]

I question whether we would get enough in return to make it worthwhile.

I'm the same. In hindsight I would happily have palmed him off last year at the bargain basement price of pick#7. We'd really need #1 this year and I don't know if Melbourne would cough it up.

 

[swannies]

Bunsen
Funnily enough we barrack for the same team ( have to remind you of that )

Whilst we're talking about all being on the same team, I am interested in getting some more of your opinion on the young kids, on the thread Gunnar started, coming through. I enjoyed what you posted the other day and it wasn't nearly as negative as I thought it would be.

 

[Under Siege81]

I think the following needs to happen agree or disagree:

1. Trade Kerr for Deledio.
2.Change our Captain to Beau Waters next year.
3. Trade Q-Stick for picks or a smaller crumbing forward.
4. Keep the young kids in the midfield.
5. Delist Stenglein, Hansen, Fletcher,Hunter, Nicoski for a start.
6. Try and pick up some experienced older players that become available at seasons end to guide the young blokes.

In summary I don't think our experienced players 100 games+ are anywhere near the quality of any other team in the competition. Darren Glass has not impressed me as a leader on the field!! Letting blokes take easy marks inside F50 for example.

 

[bunsen burner]

1. Trade Kerr for Deledio. Disagree slightly.
2.Change our Captain to Beau Waters next year. You have been watching too many Steven Seagal movies. Why not just make Steven Seagal honorary captain.
3. Trade Q-Stick for picks or a smaller crumbing forward. Yes - if we get a good offer
4. Keep the young kids in the midfield. - Absolutely
5. Delist Stenglein, Hansen, Fletcher,Hunter, Nicoski for a start. - I'm open to keeping Hunter
6. Try and pick up some experienced older players that become available at seasons end to guide the young blokes. I don't think they're needed

Darren Glass has not impressed me as a leader on the field!! It's Glass or Cox and considering Cox plays on the ball, Woosh must know something we don't. Better to stick with Glass until Hurn or someone younger is ready

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

I think the following needs to happen agree or disagree:

1. Trade Kerr for Deledio.

Why would Richmond do that deal?

Deledio is 22. They expect to get another 10 years out of him.

It's not like they're close enough to a flag to start topping up their list with a ready-made mid like Kerr.

The new coach will be keen to build a side from the ground up. They certainly won't be offering up one of their best young players for a loose cannon who will turn 27 in May.

3. Trade Q-Stick for picks or a smaller crumbing forward.

Surely it all depends on what picks were offered in return.

I don't see the point in trading Q for pick 50. Nor do I see anyone offering us a top 20 pick in return.

6. Try and pick up some experienced older players that become available at seasons end to guide the young blokes.

Surely this is at cross-purposes with the fact we're rebuilding.

What's the point of picking up older blokes who will be past their prime once we're ready to have a real crack at a flag?

We shouldn't be trading for anyone older than 25.

 

[Cup Man]

Anyone heard the whisper about Mark Seaby and Melbourne talking? Can't see it myslef.

 

[Marlin01]

Anyone heard the whisper about Mark Seaby and Melbourne talking? Can't see it myslef.

I'd say you would get him for virtually nothing and he'd be serviceable. He may even blossom at a new club. He's played some very good footy, but it's a few seasons ago now. I'd like to Seaby get a decent run at another club.

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

I don't see the arguement with Lecras RE taking away our leading goalkicker... because who cares about goalkicking right now since we are not winning games/flags this year or next.

I too think we are missing the middle aged type player ala Chick, Braun, Stenglein from a developing squad. Not so much their age but their proffessional attitudes, work ethic, leadership, hunger etc.

As for targets, id like to see Daniel Wells come over... maybe for Staker.
Diledio for Pick 4 would be great but i don't want to lose Kerr for anything. Once the team steps up, Kerr will be back to gun level and its probably best that he doesn't kill himself in the meantime anyway.

Jetta and Matera are must haves aswell. I'd take Jetta with one of top picks to guarantee it rather than an interstate gun.

Ummmm are you serious?

A player who at his best is 1 of the most damaging players in the comp albeit he doesnt turn it on a whole lot but is no doubt in the roos best 18 and also ours

For

A player who cant make our best 25, has turned it on 1.5 times in his whole career and who also looks like a clown? Oh and wouldnt be in the Kangaroos best 22.

Please think before you post

 

[Anjahads]

I don't see the arguement with Lecras RE taking away our leading goalkicker... because who cares about goalkicking right now since we are not winning games/flags this year or next.

I too think we are missing the middle aged type player ala Chick, Braun, Stenglein from a developing squad. Not so much their age but their proffessional attitudes, work ethic, leadership, hunger etc.

As for targets, id like to see Daniel Wells come over... maybe for Staker.
Diledio for Pick 4 would be great but i don't want to lose Kerr for anything. Once the team steps up, Kerr will be back to gun level and its probably best that he doesn't kill himself in the meantime anyway.

Jetta and Matera are must haves aswell. I'd take Jetta with one of top picks to guarantee it rather than an interstate gun.

What about Jetta and a Morobito/Lucas/Stevens in this years draft as our first picks if we get them?
I am not sold on trading our early picks for Deledio.

 

[SELGA]

I believe we should make Joel Selwood our number one target absolute gun midfielder and the lure of playing with 2 of his brothers would have to be tempting. Factor in the problems Geelong will obviously face keeping all their stars under the salary cap and he could be a real possibility. I don't mind giving away picks for a player of his calibre and his game is just the type of grunt needed to kickstart our midfield. I think players like Hansen, Nicoski, Butler, Fletcher, Seaby, Embley need to be traded although I believe Hunter and Stenglein should be given a chance considering their injury concerns this year. I do think Waters would be a great captain although I still think Kerr coulb benefit lots from a leadership role. I don't however think we need any older blokes as we are trying to build a young list from the ground up. What do you guys think?

 

[Tazmania]

I don't however think we need any older blokes as we are trying to build a young list from the ground up. What do you guys think?

<start subversion>
No those young blokes will never get you anywhere. You should be trading priority and high picks for KPP's to top up your list which is only a little underdone and has real flag potential. <end subversion>

 

[bunsen burner]

I believe we should make Joel Selwood our number one target absolute gun midfielder and the lure of playing with 2 of his brothers would have to be tempting. Factor in the problems Geelong will obviously face keeping all their stars under the salary cap and he could be a real possibility. I don't mind giving away picks for a player of his calibre and his game is just the type of grunt needed to kickstart our midfield. I think players like Hansen, Nicoski, Butler, Fletcher, Seaby, Embley need to be traded although I believe Hunter and Stenglein should be given a chance considering their injury concerns this year. I do think Waters would be a great captain although I still think Kerr coulb benefit lots from a leadership role. I don't however think we need any older blokes as we are trying to build a young list from the ground up. What do you guys think?

epic fail.

 

[Snooperclyde]

I believe we should make Joel Selwood our number one target absolute gun midfielder and the lure of playing with 2 of his brothers would have to be tempting. Factor in the problems Geelong will obviously face keeping all their stars under the salary cap and he could be a real possibility. I don't mind giving away picks for a player of his calibre and his game is just the type of grunt needed to kickstart our midfield. I think players like Hansen, Nicoski, Butler, Fletcher, Seaby, Embley need to be traded although I believe Hunter and Stenglein should be given a chance considering their injury concerns this year. I do think Waters would be a great captain although I still think Kerr coulb benefit lots from a leadership role. I don't however think we need any older blokes as we are trying to build a young list from the ground up. What do you guys think?

In a word Jealousy
Too big a risk playing more than two brothers.

Embley has a BOG in a grand final and has had some injury problems in the pre-season. Great player.
I like Hunter but surely his impact is too low with the shoulder.
Stenglein will retire after this year IMO.
Butler has been disappointing but at 23 should get another chance with the injuries he has had.
Trade Staker if anyone will take him.

 

[bunsen burner]

I think there will be plenty of interst for Staker. There will be clubs that fancy he will either click, or that they get get consistency out of him.

Joel Selwood is unlikely to be going anywhere. He's at a club where he'd be confident he can grab at least 1 more flag in the short term. Within 2 years he will be club captain and the highest paid player at the club. Geelong would be crazy to let him go, he most likely won't want to go, and we can only afford him if we get the PP.

Installing Waters as captain when he's been out for 2 seasons is silly. Kerr would be advantaged by getting the captaincy, only problem being the club wouldn't.

And I don't beleieve Hansen, Fletcher, Seaby, and Nicoki are tradeable. Seaby might get a backup ruck gig somewhere but that's about it.

 

[Jafa]

What's the point of trading?

No point going after stop-gaps, and blue-chip mids would cost us too much.

Rebuilding through the draft is the way forward.

Trading for pick upgrades might be worthwhile - unfortunately most of our tradable players are spuds.

 

[bunsen burner]

Trading for pick upgrades might be worthwhile - unfortunately most of our tradable players are spuds.

Staker
Embley
Lynch

All have decent market value. Staker has to go, the other 2 are in our best 22 but i think long term we will find other players for their positions. The draft might look like this (bcs):

1 Melb
2 WC
3 Melb
4 WC
5 Rich
6 Freo
7 North
8 Ess
9 Port
10 Syd
11 Adel
12 Bris
13 Haw
14 Coll
15 Carl
16 WB
17 Stk
18 Geel
19 Melb
20 WC

Swap Lynch and #20 to WB for #16
Swap Embley and #16 to Syd for #10
Swap Staker and #10 to North for #7

Where ever Carlton end up, I suspect they would look at Embley. They probably believe they have the cattle and just need to develop them. An extra Jarrod Waite in their team wouldn't go astray. Brad Fisher is not up to it.

 

[Jafa]

Staker
Embley
Lynch

All have decent market value. Staker has to go, the other 2 are in our best 22 but i think long term we will find other players for their positions. The draft might look like this (bcs):

1 Melb
2 WC
3 Melb
4 WC
5 Rich
6 Freo
7 North
8 Ess
9 Port
10 Syd
11 Adel
12 Bris
13 Haw
14 Coll
15 Carl
16 WB
17 Stk
18 Geel
19 Melb
20 WC

Swap Lynch and #20 to WB for #16
Swap Embley and #16 to Syd for #10
Swap Staker and #10 to North for #7

A lot needs to go right and I reckon Sydney are well aware of the poop that is heading their way in a few years.

 

[BOND 007]

I think there will be plenty of interst for Staker. There will be clubs that fancy he will either click, or that they get get consistency out of him.

Joel Selwood is unlikely to be going anywhere. He's at a club where he'd be confident he can grab at least 1 more flag in the short term. Within 2 years he will be club captain and the highest paid player at the club. Geelong would be crazy to let him go, he most likely won't want to go, and we can only afford him if we get the PP.

Installing Waters as captain when he's been out for 2 seasons is silly. Kerr would be advantaged by getting the captaincy, only problem being the club wouldn't.

And I don't beleieve Hansen, Fletcher, Seaby, and Nicoki are tradeable. Seaby might get a backup ruck gig somewhere but that's about it.

Staker will add considerable value to a settled and mature team. IMO he is an extremely talented footballer that has suffered from being played in a variety of positions and now is devoid of confidence. He has suffered greatly by Hansen's injuries as he was asked to play CHF and he's not one. He is also not a defensive forward line player -- whatever the hell that is. He is a ruck rover/wingman and if he was ever played consistently in that position he would play well.

On a separate note - does anybody actually believe the eagles are going to be active in the trade period ? We are talking about one of the most conservative clubs who have shown their hand time and time again under Worsfold to stockpile talent. The only time they went against this was when 2 mature players decided they wanted to come home which coincided with the Eagles realizing the window was opening. Right now the window is not opening and unless a couple of WA youngsters indicate they want to shift back, then i suggest there will be little action.

As to answering the OP - the Eagles need midfielders and another KPP - if they play their cards right the rest of this year - they will probably get what they want.

 

[Snooperclyde]

Staker
Embley
Lynch

All have decent market value. Staker has to go, the other 2 are in our best 22 but i think long term we will find other players for their positions. The draft might look like this (bcs):

1 Melb
2 WC
3 Melb
4 WC
5 Rich
6 Freo
7 North
8 Ess
9 Port
10 Syd
11 Adel
12 Bris
13 Haw
14 Coll
15 Carl
16 WB
17 Stk
18 Geel
19 Melb
20 WC

Swap Lynch and #20 to WB for #16
Swap Embley and #16 to Syd for #10
Swap Staker and #10 to North for #7

Sydney wont want Embley but NO anyway
North have enough problems without Staker.
Doggies would be better fit for Staker.

Wishful thinking............no way will we get a priority pick this year........no way our draw in the second half is easier and 2 wins would be too many. We don't have the injury concerns of 08.

 

[bunsen burner]

On a separate note - does anybody actually believe the eagles are going to be active in the trade period ?

Nope. I think there may be a bit of a clean out either trade for high picks or delist. We may just roll the dice this year and pick up more late picks just to see if we unearth a dean cox. Will only be at expense of players who are ready for delist anyways.

 

[bunsen burner]

Sydney wont want Embley but NO anyway
North have enough problems without Staker.
Doggies would be better fit for Staker.

Wishful thinking............no way will we get a priority pick this year........no way our draw in the second half is easier and 2 wins would be too many. We don't have the injury concerns of 08.

You're not actually meant to take that post literally. The ladder will be different, some clubs may want our players, others won't etc. It's just a very general example to demonstrate a trading option/strategy.

also bcs = best case scenario.

 

[bunsen burner]

Sydney wont want Embley but NO anyway

Where do you see him fitting in? There's no doubt to his talent and X-factor, but what position do you see him holding down?

I could see him going to Carlton and carving it up on the HFF though.