Politics & Government What constitutes being an Aboriginal

[juddsentant517]

Hi there
had a bit of a debate with a friend. Is an Aboriginal somebody who has Torrent Strait Island blood in them, or somebody who as born in Alice Springs, or somebody who has ansestostry since the beggining of Australia. Hopefully this question, and m lack of knowledge isn't too "un Australian"

 

[Wally Carter]

Mutual acceptance.

 

[Dawson]

Anyone who can trace any of their ancestral lines to that of an Aboriginal (including Islands under Aus control) and who wishes to have that ancestral line acknowledged.

 

[Pie eyed]

Latin. from the very beginning; from the source or origin.

 

[Leo Barry You Star]

Torrent Strait Island

Never heard of that site. What sort of downloads do they offer?

 

[Wally Carter]

You don't need an aboriginal blood line to gain aboriginal status.

 

[stmookeyj]

It's TORRES STRAIT, and the term we prefer when we're all encompassing is INDIGENOUS. I myself am considered an INDIGENOUS Australian.

 

[tandino]

Anyone who can trace any of their ancestral lines to that of an Aboriginal (including Islands under Aus control) and who wishes to have that ancestral line acknowledged.

Even places like Norfolk Island and Papua New Guinea?

 

[juddsentant517]

I apologise that at 1:08 in the morning i spelt a word wrong. It's a bit petty to focus on a spelling mistake rather then the actual question

 

[Dawson]

Even places like Norfolk Island and Papua New Guinea?

Quite possibly. I guess they would need to show cause but I guess in some cases it would be feasible to do so

 

[Tormented Tiger]

Mutual acceptance.

We could all do with a bit of that.

 

[footyfreak]

It's TORRES STRAIT, and the term we prefer when we're all encompassing is INDIGENOUS. I myself am considered an INDIGENOUS Australian.

who's we?

And how do you make that judgement call that that is who this "we" prefer to be called?

Based on these idiots that you see on TV hanging around Canberra crapping on about every minor point telling the world that this is the Indigenous Australians point of view?

Well i know a lot of black fellas and i can assure you, those people don't represent them!

 

[CroMagnon]

A Yarmulka and Israeli passport, apparently LOL
[youtube]R-W56D3XJN8[/youtube]

 

[footyfreak]

never heard of that site. What sort of downloads do they offer?

roflmfao :d:d:d

 

[Relativity]

Anyone who can trace any of their ancestral lines to that of an Aboriginal (including Islands under Aus control) and who wishes to have that ancestral line acknowledged.

And what constitutes an Aboriginal?

 

[Malifice]

Mutual acceptance.

This.

The legal position is if you identify with being a Torres straight/ Indigenous Australian (and generally are accepted as one by the community) then you qualify.

There is no genetic/ DNA/ Physical requirement.

 

[Power King]

lol at that youtube video

surely, SURELY, he was taking the piss

 

[Malifice]

lol at that youtube video

surely, SURELY, he was taking the piss

Or he was just a nutter.

I'm going with the latter!

************** of a safeways/coles.

Absolutely piss poor form. I could even bring myself to quote the entire post due to its offensiveness.

Really really low thing to say.

 

[Chief]

Two cards and some deleted posts already.

A good time to remind users to read the forum rules (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/faq.php?faq=vb_faq) and the rules for this board (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=652661) before posting.

The same applies to any board on this site.

Thank you.

 

[Chief]

This. [Mutual acceptance.]

The same would apply to being Australian, Catholic, Jewish or indeed a member of any nation of people.

The only difference is the way in which you would express mutual acceptance. It might be a legal immigration system, a series of religious rites, the lottery of birth or simply a general acceptance on both sides that it is the case that you're an accepted member of the group.

It's a pretty standard idea.

I think the question has been asked and answered, debates about the validity or otherwise of the different methods of acceptance into a group should be taken to the SRP or General Discussion board.

 

[hirdy_is_champ]

Probably great great grandparent or something. It's so annoying when you see all these "white aboriginals" on TV who would be about 1/16th aboriginal, yet they go round claiming they're aboriginal before they're any other race/nationality. If anything I think its actually disrespectfull to people who are actually aboriginal. It would be like having a french great grand mother, and you therefore claim you're french.

 

[Malifice]

Probably great great grandparent or something.

That has nothing to do with it. It has virtually nothing to do with biological factors including (but not limited to) skin color, skull diameter, hair thickness or any other such malarkey.

It's so annoying when you see all these "white aboriginals" on TV who would be about 1/16th aboriginal, yet they go round claiming they're aboriginal before they're any other race/nationality.

Not only irrelevant to the discussion, but a borderline racist comment there.

Human beings aren't dogs, where one can simply state what a person 'is' due to the 'breed.' A common shared identity is the main (indeed the only) determining factor both legally, philosophically and practically.

For example, a white South African is no more or less African than a black South African.

If anything I think its actually disrespectfull to people who are actually aboriginal.

They are actually aboriginal. As long as they identify with (and are accepted by) aboriginal people.

It would be like having a french great grand mother, and you therefore claim you're french.

If you identify with French culture and are accepted by French people, then you're French.

Example. My mother was English by birth. She moved to Australia 45 years ago and now identifies herself (and is identified) as Australian.

My Father has a mixed heritage: Indigenous (his mothers side) and Scottish (his fathers side). He is also 4th generation Tasmanian.

Of the three cultures (English, Scottish and Indigenous), I identify myself (and am accepted by and identified as) as an Australian.

My English/ Scottish/ Indigenous 'blood' has nothing to do with it.

FWIW Its possible to be identify with more than one culture/ ethnicity. Personally I neither identify myself (or am recognized by) as any other culture. Hence I don't consider myself as Indigenous/ English/ Scottish.

As a second example:

Physically describe an 'Australian'. Can you do it?

See what I'm getting at?

 

[Dawson]

That has nothing to do with it. It has virtually nothing to do with biological factors including (but not limited to) skin color, skull diameter, hair thickness or any other such malarkey.



Not only irrelevant to the discussion, but a borderline racist comment there.

Human beings aren't dogs, where one can simply state what a person 'is' due to the 'breed.' A common shared identity is the main (indeed the only) determining factor both legally, philosophically and practically.

For example, a white South African is no more or less African than a black South African.



They are actually aboriginal. As long as they identify with (and are accepted by) aboriginal people.



If you identify with French culture and are accepted by French people, then you're French.

Example. My mother was English by birth. She moved to Australia 45 years ago and now identifies herself (and is identified) as Australian.

My Father has a mixed heritage: Indigenous (his mothers side) and Scottish (his fathers side). He is also 4th generation Tasmanian.

Of the three cultures (English, Scottish and Indigenous), I identify myself (and am accepted by and identified as) as an Australian.

My English/ Scottish/ Indigenous 'blood' has nothing to do with it.

FWIW Its possible to be identify with more than one culture/ ethnicity. Personally I neither identify myself (or am recognized by) as any other culture. Hence I don't consider myself as Indigenous/ English/ Scottish.

As a second example:

Physically describe an 'Australian'. Can you do it?

See what I'm getting at?

Thank you, I actually learnt something out of that

 

[BigBadCam]

That has nothing to do with it. It has virtually nothing to do with biological factors including (but not limited to) skin color, skull diameter, hair thickness or any other such malarkey.



Not only irrelevant to the discussion, but a borderline racist comment there.

Human beings aren't dogs, where one can simply state what a person 'is' due to the 'breed.' A common shared identity is the main (indeed the only) determining factor both legally, philosophically and practically.

For example, a white South African is no more or less African than a black South African.



They are actually aboriginal. As long as they identify with (and are accepted by) aboriginal people.



If you identify with French culture and are accepted by French people, then you're French.

Example. My mother was English by birth. She moved to Australia 45 years ago and now identifies herself (and is identified) as Australian.

My Father has a mixed heritage: Indigenous (his mothers side) and Scottish (his fathers side). He is also 4th generation Tasmanian.

Of the three cultures (English, Scottish and Indigenous), I identify myself (and am accepted by and identified as) as an Australian.

My English/ Scottish/ Indigenous 'blood' has nothing to do with it.

FWIW Its possible to be identify with more than one culture/ ethnicity. Personally I neither identify myself (or am recognized by) as any other culture. Hence I don't consider myself as Indigenous/ English/ Scottish.

As a second example:

Physically describe an 'Australian'. Can you do it?

See what I'm getting at?

So, what financial benefits do you get out of celebrating your splash of Aboriginal blood?

 

[lifelike_]

roflmfao :d:d:d

Did also lol.