What has changed?

[CrowAboutIt]

So what has changed since 2012 that we have become a premiership threat to losing to melbourne?

I honestly don't see any list changes that have made a dramatic difference.

Yes we've lost Tippet but really who rated him? He was always a good mark but could never finish I'd still take Jenkins over him.

So lets forget about the ****** admin for a second and even the ***** gameplan because it wouldn't surprise me that theyre using the same one?

Why did it work? (In b4 tex) n why doesnt it now?

Hearing Sando saying when we put one in the fwd line they'd put one n a lose.. the put another ffs

 

[mattymac]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...stephen-schwerdt/story-e6frexx0-1226454130049

ADELAIDE's long-serving fitness coach Stephen Schwerdt has been poached by AFL rival Gold Coast.

That ruinous pre-season where we got ahead of ourselves, decided we needed to be bigger not fitter, thought finals were inevitable and came back all fat and slow and out of condition was the start.

A strong sense of unaccountability was also introduced by no one being punished for the Tippet scandal.

Tippet is also obviously handier than we rated him when he was pissing on us and we were defiantly crapping on about how much we didn't need him anyway. Losing Tex as well effectively neutered us. If Tex payed the season out we won that extra game and made finals.

Then we lost Bails as well. Sando appears incapable of recognising flash fires as they break out or unwilling to do anything about them before they get out of control. He is not a good game day coach.

The gameplan is also too cute for our skill level. 2012 was all about playing with freedom and banishing the turnover inducing overuse of the Craig era. Thereafter we have reverted back to Craig era overuse.

But the main things, in my view, relate to the Tippet scandal -ie- introducing a culture of unaccountability; not being able to afford a decent fitness specialist; and losing a KPF for no compensation.

 

[mulz]

So what has changed since 2012 that we have become a premiership threat to losing to melbourne?

I honestly don't see any list changes that have made a dramatic difference.

Yes we've lost Tippet but really who rated him? He was always a good mark but could never finish I'd still take Jenkins over him.

So lets forget about the ****** admin for a second and even the ***** gameplan because it wouldn't surprise me that theyre using the same one?

Why did it work? (In b4 tex) n why doesnt it now?

Hearing Sando saying when we put one in the fwd line they'd put one n a lose.. the put another ffs

How can you honestly say you would take jj over tippet. Tippo was a massive loss. Tippet is a gun forward and probably with cloke the best contested mark in league. Jj isnt even in the same ball park as tippo.

 

[Mike Smyth]

I would take a fully fit Tippett over JJ every day of the week.

 

[Harris Pilton]

So what has changed since 2012 that we have become a premiership threat to losing to melbourne?

I honestly don't see any list changes that have made a dramatic difference.

Yes we've lost Tippet but really who rated him? He was always a good mark but could never finish I'd still take Jenkins over him.

So lets forget about the ****** admin for a second and even the ***** gameplan because it wouldn't surprise me that theyre using the same one?

Why did it work? (In b4 tex) n why doesnt it now?

Hearing Sando saying when we put one in the fwd line they'd put one n a lose.. the put another ffs

No Tippet, no Walker, no Hendo.
Some deadwood we can't clear out because of lack of depth.
It only takes a small percentage change to impact big time on on-field competitiveness.
Also, other sides have moved on. We haven't.

 

[hugecannon]

Complacency for a long time has led us here. Couple that with complete lack of accountability at the top.

 

[Skippy231]

Add the talent that we have not brought in due to draft sanctions, it is a flow on effect. We haven't had players/picks that are valuable on the trade table, too many list plodders. When you lose your no 1 and 2 key forwards at the same time it changes the forward structure.

 

[Crow_Magnon]

The other change that needs to be made is around the gameplan - which doesn't appear to have changed at all. Sando's contested ball at all costs style can and does work if you have the cattle (strong marking forwards who don't need perfect delivery). To me it is more suited to finals, where games are usually all about contested ball, stoppages and pressure - and it works against certain teams better than others. In my view a side needs another string to its bow to actually win home and away games where styles fluctuate more. Hawthorn can play both styles (the other being a more free-flowing skillful style), due to their elite skills primarily, whereas we only have the one 'gear' - and actually can't seem to get the right cattle on the park to implement it correctly. What we lack, along with injuries, are the outside, speedy runners, who can break lines when they become dour struggles like Sando prefers. The opposition get the cheap goals as they do have players like Rioli, Jetta, Hill, etc. but we don't - all our goals are hard to come by!

 

[StonesThrow]

I think our game plan at the time was easy to figure out. Win the contested ball and bomb it long. We struggle to counter a good zone and the loose man. A lot of teams seem to have our measure tactically for the last two seasons. I'm not sure what the answer is but maybe it's the lack of smarts in the coaches box.

This year our game plan is even worse. I think it is flawed fundamentally as well as the fact that we are not skilled enough to execute it.

Then you can add on top the fact that we haven't had a top line key forward or even two at the same time, which was possible in 2012.

Our best experienced player had a shocker last year. Although he has been very good this year, he is now our only experienced player firing. (Thommo, not Reilly, Vader).

I still believe we have a strong core of 22 to 25 year olds, however the optimism is short lived by the fact that we have missed out on two years of potentially 4 good players. That will create a large void. I also have a strong doubt as to where Sando is taking the team.

If we are to get on track in the next couple of years, I honestly think we need a change in the coaches box ( whether that be change of coach or new assistants) and wet also need to get lucky with some of our low picks/rookies ala Laird, Grigg.

 

[Vooligan]

The loss of form and all things right isn't even the most concerning or damning part. The fact that all of these things are going on, e.g losing good fitness coach, losing draft picks, no Tippett compensation, accepting mediocrity, lack of current gameplan, and nothing is being done about any of it. It seems obvious that our administration don't think that we have a problem - and that is a problem within itself.

For some reason, being "a kick away from the Grand Final" two seasons ago seems to be "good enough" for us. It's not! FFS harden up AFC, and do something productive. Grow some balls, sack the deadwood, and rebuild the list.

 

[WheresGroomgone]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...stephen-schwerdt/story-e6frexx0-1226454130049




Then we lost Bails as well. Sando appears incapable of recognising flash fires as they break out or unwilling to do anything about them before they get out of control. He is not a good game day coach.



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I think this is massive not just the same without him both last season and this, he was obviously a great mentor and game day coach. Add the injuries to key personal and the often spoken of stat that all teams are within a few percent of each other and if you drop off you get smashed -we have done that. Some "interesting" selections compound our performances, this may also add some unrest in the group.

Perhaps the Melbourne disaster also reflects The Vince affair a little in that it has been rumoured the group were not happy at all in how it came about or was dealt with - going by that first half something else was on their minds.

 

[Mismatched]

I think our game plan at the time was easy to figure out. Win the contested ball and bomb it long. We struggle to counter a good zone and the loose man. A lot of teams seem to have our measure tactically for the last two seasons. I'm not sure what the answer is but maybe it's the lack of smarts in the coaches box.

This year our game plan is even worse. I think it is flawed fundamentally as well as the fact that we are not skilled enough to execute it.

Then you can add on top the fact that we haven't had a top line key forward or even two at the same time, which was possible in 2012.

Our best experienced player had a shocker last year. Although he has been very good this year, he is now our only experienced player firing. (Thommo, not Reilly, Vader).

I still believe we have a strong core of 22 to 25 year olds, however the optimism is short lived by the fact that we have missed out on two years of potentially 4 good players. That will create a large void. I also have a strong doubt as to where Sando is taking the team.

If we are to get on track in the next couple of years, I honestly think we need a change in the coaches box ( whether that be change of coach or new assistants) and wet also need to get lucky with some of our low picks/rookies ala Laird, Grigg.

Agree with this, our gameplan in 2012 was brilliant in its simplicity, it was the "perfect storm" gameplan at the time, we had a team tired of complex, intricate, difficult to implement gameplans. Yet we had strong contested midfielders and a forward line boasting Kurt Tippett and Taylor Walker. Unfortunately, as was always going to be the case, our gameplan was worked out by the time finals came round. Sydney dismantled us and the only reason we beat Fremantle and came close to Hawthorn were unbelievable efforts from individuals, namely Taylor Walker and Kurt Tippett.

Following this we had to rethink our gameplan, Sando tinkered with it, but realistically a lot more needed to be done which wasn't and now its appearing more and more likely that Sando had but one trick in his book and he's used it up.

 

[davos44]

Everything has changed and nothing has changed.

The players don't seem to play for Sanderson anymore
I haven't seen any "psychotic" footy in a long time
2 blokes who were "the club" in Walker and Vince aren't out there.

Im not sure if anyone else sees it, but I think there is an air of pretentiousness about the way they play. We beat Geelong at home, we run hawthorn close, we get back into games with Port Sydney and Geelong this year. It causes us to play great footy against good team, and deplorable football against the bulldogs and dees.

watch the club song after the win against the bulldogs, they should have been stoked but acted like they are Hawthorn smacking South Adelaide

 

[King Elvis]

Agree with this, our gameplan in 2012 was brilliant in its simplicity, it was the "perfect storm" gameplan at the time, we had a team tired of complex, intricate, difficult to implement gameplans. Yet we had strong contested midfielders and a forward line boasting Kurt Tippett and Taylor Walker. Unfortunately, as was always going to be the case, our gameplan was worked out by the time finals came round. Sydney dismantled us and the only reason we beat Fremantle and came close to Hawthorn were unbelievable efforts from individuals, namely Taylor Walker and Kurt Tippett.

Following this we had to rethink our gameplan, Sando tinkered with it, but realistically a lot more needed to be done which wasn't and now its appearing more and more likely that Sando had but one trick in his book and he's used it up.

Just on that Sydney game, it was blatantly obvious what they were trying to do to us from the first quarter, and there was zero response from the coaching box to try and modify our gameplan to suit.

That was probably one of the first big indications that Sando is a mediocre match day coach.

Fremantle tried to do the same thing, but we got lucky, and they weren't as good as Sydney, so we could overcome them.

 

[Slippery Pete]

The other change that needs to be made is around the gameplan - which doesn't appear to have changed at all. Sando's contested ball at all costs style can and does work if you have the cattle (strong marking forwards who don't need perfect delivery). To me it is more suited to finals, where games are usually all about contested ball, stoppages and pressure - and it works against certain teams better than others. In my view a side needs another string to its bow to actually win home and away games where styles fluctuate more. Hawthorn can play both styles (the other being a more free-flowing skillful style), due to their elite skills primarily, whereas we only have the one 'gear' - and actually can't seem to get the right cattle on the park to implement it correctly. What we lack, along with injuries, are the outside, speedy runners, who can break lines when they become dour struggles like Sando prefers. The opposition get the cheap goals as they do have players like Rioli, Jetta, Hill, etc. but we don't - all our goals are hard to come by!

Salient.

Charlie Cameron come on down.

 

[TheRoo32]

Watching the difference between us in 2012 (particularly the flogging of carlton and geelong) and us last weekend is astonding. No passion, no heart, poor gameplan. We have gone so far backwards it's not funny.

 

[Slippery Pete]

The loss of Walker has absolved the coaching staff.

If you look at the patterns early last year, before Walker was injured, they were exactly the same. The team (and the forward line) was completely dysfunctional.

It's far less a personnel problem than it is a coaching problem.

 

[andrevich]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...stephen-schwerdt/story-e6frexx0-1226454130049

Pretty well spot on in concise form !


That ruinous pre-season where we got ahead of ourselves, decided we needed to be bigger not fitter, thought finals were inevitable and came back all fat and slow and out of condition was the start.

A strong sense of unaccountability was also introduced by no one being punished for the Tippet scandal.

Tippet is also obviously handier than we rated him when he was pissing on us and we were defiantly crapping on about how much we didn't need him anyway. Losing Tex as well effectively neutered us. If Tex payed the season out we won that extra game and made finals.

Then we lost Bails as well. Sando appears incapable of recognising flash fires as they break out or unwilling to do anything about them before they get out of control. He is not a good game day coach.

The gameplan is also too cute for our skill level. 2012 was all about playing with freedom and banishing the turnover inducing overuse of the Craig era. Thereafter we have reverted back to Craig era overuse.

But the main things, in my view, relate to the Tippet scandal -ie- introducing a culture of unaccountability; not being able to afford a decent fitness specialist; and losing a KPF for no compensation.

 

[mattymac]

The loss of Walker has absolved the coaching staff.

If you look at the patterns early last year, before Walker was injured, they were exactly the same. The team (and the forward line) was completely dysfunctional.

It's far less a personnel problem than it is a coaching problem.

This is a problem. There is always something around the corner that will make it all better. It'll be ok when Bails comes back. It'll be ok when we move to Adelaide oval. It'll be ok when Tex comes back etc. In the meantime a failure to accept and act on the root causes.

 

[lunacy]

How can you honestly say you would take jj over tippet. Tippo was a massive loss. Tippet is a gun forward and probably with cloke the best contested mark in league. Jj isnt even in the same ball park as tippo.

Not yet...

 

[splat868]

Some things that have changed.


CONTESTED POSSESSIONS

In 2012 we averaged148 per game(2nd best in the league).
2013 145 per game at 5th in league.
2014. 134 per game at 15th.


10% drop in contested possessions.

Danger (4th in comp) is the ONLY player we have in the top 40 in the league this year for contested poss.

We have only won contested possessions in ONE game this year.

WHY won't our players win their own ball?


CLEARANCES

2012. 40.2 per game....2ND in league
2013. 36.9. 11th
2014. 36.7. 14TH

Danger and Thommo (Our best)equal 29th best in league in 2014, in 2012 Thomo was 3RD Danger 8th as our best.

10% drop in clearances

Why won't/can't our players win their own ball? Hitouts is part of the reason.


HITOUTS

2012. 43.8 per game sitting 3rd
2013. 38.8 per game. 10th
2014. 36 per game. 14th

Sauce has averaged 31, 28.3, 30 in those 3 seasons, so it's not him.

As backup Mckernan 14.2, 8.1,6.
And Jenkins. 2.6 hitouts per game this year.

16% drop in hitouts

Love JJ as a key forward, but Sauce needs some help in Ruck!


TACKLES

Good news is, our tackle numbers have increased this year. BAD news, the other teams have too.

2012. 58.3 per game... 17th
2013. 58.4. 16th
2014. 62.4. 16th

Our ave 16% below the best team.

Sloane is the only one in the top 50 in league at 15th.

After 3 pre seasons working on this?
WTF?


1 PERCENTERS.
2012 13th
2013 14th
2014 12th

We are not good at going that little bit harder to do the things that can change a game, and tackling, clearances, and contested possessions are just woeful.

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[splat868]

Most other things we do pretty well.

Contested marks 2nd best in comp
Marks. 3rd
Disposals 4th
Goals. 3rd
Effective disposal % 4th. best
Bounces. 2nd
I50. 5th
Clangers. 2nd least in comp

So it seems when we have the ball, we do ok, and aren't totally inept.

Problem is, when we kick to a contest and it isn't marked, we just can't win enough of the ball. And we seem to kick to a lot of contests because our players can't break away through lack of speed.

Also, when the opposition have it, we can't put enough pressure on to get the ball back.

As has been said in other Threads, we are being exposed as SOFT.

BUT, WHY won't/can't our players do those harder things?

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[WaynesWorld19]

Anyone see the Fox footy segment with David King

He highlighted Sando in his review using the word lazy to describe players

He then showed footage of Vince in the back pocket at a throw up and in the next minute of play being in the forward pocket ........King then showed behing the goals footage of 3 Adelaide midfielders still in the midfield whilst Vince was in the forward pocket

Dangerfield
Thompson
Jacobs

Good offensively ......bad defensively

Sloane & Douglas show the way in two way running .......too much focus on Reilly & co when the real heat needs to be on the team stars

 

[skoobydoo]

Most other things we do pretty well.

Contested marks 2nd best in comp
Marks. 3rd
Disposals 4th
Goals. 3rd
Effective disposal % 4th. best
Bounces. 2nd
I50. 5th
Clangers. 2nd least in comp

So it seems when we have the ball, we do ok, and aren't totally inept.

Problem is, when we kick to a contest and it isn't marked, we just can't win enough of the ball. And we seem to kick to a lot of contests because our players can't break away through lack of speed.

Also, when the opposition have it, we can't put enough pressure on to get the ball back.

As has been said in other Threads, we are being exposed as SOFT.

BUT, WHY won't/can't our players do those harder things?

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Good stuff splat. How do we rate for marks I50?

Our game has certainly lost the ability to break away from contests. Most other teams can pressure us right up so that we are stumbling over the ball, fighting each other, losing our structure/set-up,and worst of all when we do take possession we so often only have the option of scrubby blind kicks which may or may not clear the pack and are mostly cleared by the opposition. We 'use up so many petrol tickets' (Ha! sorry) this way. Conversely we are unable to apply the same contest pressure to other teams. This is a real problem and I smell disenchantment.

 

[Tex200]

Anyone see the Fox footy segment with David King

He highlighted Sando in his review using the word lazy to describe players

He then showed footage of Vince in the back pocket at a throw up and in the next minute of play being in the forward pocket ........King then showed behing the goals footage of 3 Adelaide midfielders still in the midfield whilst Vince was in the forward pocket

Dangerfield
Thompson
Jacobs

Good offensively ......bad defensively

Sloane & Douglas show the way in two way running .......too much focus on Reilly & co when the real heat needs to be on the team stars

Yep saw that too.

Poor footage for those 3