Analysis What is a zone defence?

[Yonchi]

Here are the basics and I don't think we get it.

If you are setting up a defence in footy (call it zoning, guarding space, guarding a man, whatever...) if someone comes into the area that you are defending and you can't get to that man - then you are not defending him. If you stand in a defencive position but pay no attention to someone in your immediate area - you are not defending them and you're probably not putting pressure on them either.

If a person is 10 metres away but you can only guard an 8 metre radius around where you stand, then move those two metres or don't have your mates thinking that you are defending that man.

Coaches - if your players can only guard in an 8 metre radius but your setup relies on them defending a 10 metre radius, it will not work. If a player moves the requisite distance to appropriately defend an opposition player in his vicinity, his mates should have the presence of mind to also move.

HINT: The opposition is looking to do exactly what you're trying to do. If they can foresee your plans, you should be able to anticipate theirs.

That's defending 101 as 8 year olds can do it playing junior basketball. Maybe professional athletes (and coaches) can give it a go. Maybe we can build something from this rudimentary beginning.

 

[SteeleBeams]

You're a genius. Why aren't you employed at Collingwood yet? I'm sure they have no understanding of what a zone is. Glad you were able to clarify that for them

 

[Kappa]

Bucks face when reading this thread

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

How about we be the first club to go old school and just play man on man? Let's go back to basics and get THOSE right before we start confusing our players with structures they don't understand.

I mean, much like the Sydney game, the signs were there from the first 10 minutes and yet nothing was done to stop it. Buckley was horrifically out coached on Saturday....again. All we had to do against a more inexperienced side like St.Kilda was play man on man and they would have really struggled to handle it because they wouldn't have anticipated it.

Teams plan for what they think the opposition might do. It's 2016. No one thinks anyone will go man on man anymore so why not throw a curveball in there every now and again when the time is right?

 

[Soups]

From what I have seen it looks like we don't have the running power to even go man on man.

 

[4tone]

Game plan A

Get ball
Kick ball to teammate
Kick the ball through the 2 bigger posts


Game plan B

If game plan A fails try harder

Footy is a simple game. Hard tuff, but simple
During my time in school I found that the guys who where a little slower in school studies where the gun footballers. The need to have scholars and the bullshit jargon that coaches and media spew out is laughable

MATE get the ball rolling your way and magic things start happening

 

[loki04]

Zone defences require every team be as inept with ball in hand as us.

Dogs, Hawks, Saints, WC you can't give 2m too let alone 10.
Their skill will draw the player at the ball so unless we have 18 Usain bolts on the team they are not making up 10m with kicks to advantage of their team mates.

Hawks built their whole gameplan around destroying zones.

 

[NT.Thunder]

Ran into a few of the Collingwood players having a few post game drinks Saturday night

 

[Smoky]

Collingwoods zone defence is obviously something along the lines of either stand 10 meters in front of a key forward or 10 meters behind him... so opposition midfielders can kick it to an uncontested marking contest.

 

[jbuch9]

Here are the basics and I don't think we get it.

If you are setting up a defence in footy (call it zoning, guarding space, guarding a man, whatever...) if someone comes into the area that you are defending and you can't get to that man - then you are not defending him. If you stand in a defencive position but pay no attention to someone in your immediate area - you are not defending them and you're probably not putting pressure on them either.

If a person is 10 metres away but you can only guard an 8 metre radius around where you stand, then move those two metres or don't have your mates thinking that you are defending that man.

Coaches - if your players can only guard in an 8 metre radius but your setup relies on them defending a 10 metre radius, it will not work. If a player moves the requisite distance to appropriately defend an opposition player in his vicinity, his mates should have the presence of mind to also move.

HINT: The opposition is looking to do exactly what you're trying to do. If they can foresee your plans, you should be able to anticipate theirs.

That's defending 101 as 8 year olds can do it playing junior basketball. Maybe professional athletes (and coaches) can give it a go. Maybe we can build something from this rudimentary beginning.

perfect.

 

[CFC2010]

Zone defences require every team be as inept with ball in hand as us.

Dogs, Hawks, Saints, WC you can't give 2m too let alone 10.
Their skill will draw the player at the ball so unless we have 18 Usain bolts on the team they are not making up 10m with kicks to advantage of their team mates.

Hawks built their whole gameplan around destroying zones.

The bolded part is our problem and has been our problem for a long time.

To use a tennis analogy we (Collingwood) are like playing tennis against someone and all they have to do is get the ball over the net.
Because we will stuff it up by hitting the ball out, or hitting the net or worse not getting it over the net.

Ours skills are not AFL standard. Until they improve significantly we will be very frustrated supporters I am afraid.

 

[Lockyer24]

To be fair to the OP, our defensive structure is the worst I've ever seen in world sports.

 

[rand corp]

Whatever it is - IT AIN'T F#&%ING WORKING!!!!!

 

[BPikkers]

We should keep it simple.

Focus on achieving either of the following:

1. kick more goals than the opposition; or
2. Have the opposition kick less goals than us.

If we can achieve either, it is highly likely we will win.

 

[loki04]

I did enjoy Gleeson's reference to our "Zone" being reminiscent of this:

 

[FireKrakouer]

I can't understand the "peel off your man" scenario we keep seeing where one defender is forced to try and stop 2 opposition players. Is something going wrong in the midfield that causes us to end up outnumbered?

I wish it were as simple as "study hawthorn's gameplan and copy it", but we have different strengths and weaknesses to all other teams so the plan must be tailored to a degree. Is Bucks being too cute with it all though?

 

[sr36]

We should keep it simple.

Focus on achieving either of the following:

1. kick more goals than the opposition; or
2. Have the opposition kick less goals than us.

If we can achieve either, it is highly likely we will win.

With our kicking for goal, we are even a good chance of kicking less goals and winning.

 

[Bart99]

Here are the basics and I don't think we get it.

If you are setting up a defence in footy (call it zoning, guarding space, guarding a man, whatever...) if someone comes into the area that you are defending and you can't get to that man - then you are not defending him. If you stand in a defencive position but pay no attention to someone in your immediate area - you are not defending them and you're probably not putting pressure on them either.

If a person is 10 metres away but you can only guard an 8 metre radius around where you stand, then move those two metres or don't have your mates thinking that you are defending that man.

Coaches - if your players can only guard in an 8 metre radius but your setup relies on them defending a 10 metre radius, it will not work. If a player moves the requisite distance to appropriately defend an opposition player in his vicinity, his mates should have the presence of mind to also move.

HINT: The opposition is looking to do exactly what you're trying to do. If they can foresee your plans, you should be able to anticipate theirs.

That's defending 101 as 8 year olds can do it playing junior basketball. Maybe professional athletes (and coaches) can give it a go. Maybe we can build something from this rudimentary beginning.

Zoning is for basketball and soccer an AFL football field is to big to zone .. Buckley just needs to go back to basics and play quick direct moving man on man football and our list is good enough todo the rest .
Either Buckley is a clueless coach or to stubborn to go back to basics

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Game plan A

Get ball
Kick ball to teammate
Kick the ball through the 2 bigger posts


Game plan B

If game plan A fails try harder

Footy is a simple game. Hard tuff, but simple
During my time in school I found that the guys who where a little slower in school studies where the gun footballers. The need to have scholars and the bullshit jargon that coaches and media spew out is laughable

MATE get the ball rolling your way and magic things start happening

I'm a great advocate for get the ball, use it well, start again, get the ball, use it well

 

[left at home]

Zoning is for basketball and soccer an AFL football field is to big to zone .. Buckley just needs to go back to basics and play quick direct moving man on man football and our list is good enough todo the rest .
Either Buckley is a clueless coach or to stubborn to go back to basics

yet if you watch the games all teams at lest do some sort of zone.

 

[doodles98]

yet if you watch the games all teams at lest do some sort of zone.

And had you noticed that most of those zones work to some extent at least.. unlike ours.

4 years in the making.. we have now perfected the Buckley witches hat zone. I think Bucks has based it on the premise that all teams have as deplorable foots skills as we do and can't hit a target 10m in the clear...

 

[left at home]

And had you noticed that most of those zones work to some extent at least.. unlike ours.

4 years in the making.. we have now perfected the Buckley witches hat zone. I think Bucks has based it on the premise that all teams have as deplorable foots skills as we do and can't hit a target 10m in the clear...

l never said ours is great , far from it, just replying to say all teams do it that's all

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Ran into a few of the Collingwood players having a few post game drinks Saturday night

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Why are they all in Carlton guernseys?

 

[esc0bar]

Glad the same sentiment runs throughout the supporter base and AFL world. We have perfected a pretty awful game plan. I hope to god we see something different this weekend.

 

[Old Spice]

I did enjoy Gleeson's reference to our "Zone" being reminiscent of this:

A watery fork?