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Elite Crow said:
And an average start to the season. There was no reason to extend as early as they did, he was going nowhere
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Agree, this is the 2nd contract in a row that we have done this with Radar.

There is no reason why this could not have been finalized at season end, not to mention I would have only offered a year deal
 
Keeping Reilly isn't so bad but if we sign and keep a few of his other out of firm comrades to long term contracts would be negligent to how we improve next year.

If and with his 2 year contract, it looks like Brent Reilly is staying, thus will mean that Jason Porplzia and hopefully via a trade Vince will be moved on.
 
alex_is_on_fire said:
Keeping Reilly isn't so bad but if we sign and keep a few of his other out of firm comrades to long term contracts would be negligent to how we improve next year.

If and with his 2 year contract, it looks like Brent Reilly is staying, thus will mean that Jason Porplzia and hopefully via a trade Vince will be moved on.
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Problem is I can't see Sando trading either Vince or Porpy

If Sando can't drop Porpy he sure in hell not going to trade him
 

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Pilchard_Adams said:
I think everything is quite obvious in hindsight...

On the questioning Callinans selection for last years prelim, in rounds 20, 21, 22, 23, QF Callinan kicked 2, 4, 4, 4, 1 goals. In rounds 17, 18, 19 Callinan kicked 0, 1, 0 goals. So should Sando get grilled for selecting Callinan in rounds 20 - QF because he was out of form and only managed 1 goal in the prior 3 weeks? Because without Callinans contribution we may not have beaten Fremantle, then the ladder and subsequent finals draw would have been different. Sanderson had faith in Callinan, and in the last 2 weeks of the year it didnt pay off.

Petrenko on the other hand, yes a mistake. He gets over 10 touches in games vs bottom 6 teams, and less than 10 touches vs quality teams. Petrenko does the odd flashy bit of work, but that isnt enough. Small defender only, and shouldnt have played.
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I probably wouldn't have dropped Callinan, but going into the Hawthorn game he was definitely running out of petrol tickets. Your argument doesn't exactly tell the full story, Callinans 3x 4 goal hauls heading into finals were against Brisbane, Melbourne and Gold Coast, whereas the 4 weeks prior we'd played West Coast, Essendon, Geelong and Fremantle, during which he managed a grand total of 3 goals. Also I wouldn't try to pass off his match against Sydney as a "good game" Sando subbed him right after he kicked his one and only goal.

Having said that, he did probably deserve his spot in our prelim side, Petrenko is a whole other story. Myissue with Callinan is that after he proved himself to be a complete failure in all 3 of our finals, having struggled against top 8 sides all season, is that we proceeded to upgrade him to the senior list and the was brought straight back into the side from injury in round 1 or 2. For mine that was ample proof that we needed to move on from Callinan, it was a good experiment, certainly worthwhile, but time to move on and I've said as much many times. Sando and the rest of our coaching staff seemingly failed to realise this and still seem to believe that Callinan is something that he is not.

For mine this is one example of Sando being reluctant or slow to make tough decisions, another was playing Petrenko, as soon as he hurt himself in the Semi, our approach should have been "I'm sorry Jared, but we just can't afford to take a player with such an injury into an elimination final", especially when we had a player in Riley who'd shown himself capable of playing a similar role. Another is Johncock, sure he appears to have finally drawn the line through him, but really, if he didn't think Johncock was capable of playing in defence, or he wasn't willing to play him there, he should have moved him on. It's a shame and extremely tough to do that to such a great servant of the club, but that is what we are paying Sando and his assistants the big bucks for.

It's not only Sando though, I fear after the recent sagas with Gunston, Tippett etc leaving, we appear to have gotten a little over enthusiastic with our player signings. Sure it's important to get guys like Talia and Jacobs out of the way early. However why are we signing Reilly so early in the year? He's not going anywhere, then Jaensch immediately after one good game early last year, Martin well before the end of the season, Henderson similar and to a 3 year deal. For mine it seems like we've been bullied into signing guys early which says to me we're probably paying overs to a number of guys we just shouldn't be. Sometimes it's worthwhile waiting and seeing what other clubs might throw up for one of your players.
 
smoovy said:
Callinan finishes, simple as that. You take the good with the bad and make a judgement call. In my view he was instrumental in many of our wins last year (He kicked as many as million $ man Tippett!). That goal he did kick against the Swans, he would've been the only Crow who would've even thought about turning inside on his left foot there, let alone actually kick it.
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And we have a winner.
 
Jars458 said:
What else did he do? He is the past. Should not play again.
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Here is a guy, who played on minimum chips last year and was our equal leading goal kicker to moneybags $Kurt. Here is a guy, who is a specialist crumbing forward, who is paid (very minimally) to crumb packs, draw the odd Milne-esque cheap free, and finish in front of goals on either side of his body (which he does).

Nobody else in the team possesses this quality. Not Porplyzia, not Johncock, not Petrenko, not Wright. In fact, three of those four guys are so far away from being crumbing forwards its embarrassing.

So let's review again what we have here with Ian Callinan. We have a guy - on absolute minimum wage - who possesses qualities that nobody else on our list has. On minimum wage. Did you get that bit?

He has also played two games this year. Two games.

Yep- cutting Ian Callinan is the ruthless, ballsy decision we are all after.....
 
Slippery Pete said:
Here is a guy, who played on minimum chips last year and was our equal leading goal kicker to moneybags $Kurt. Here is a guy, who is a specialist crumbling forward, who is paid (very minimally) to crumb packs, draw the odd Milne-esque cheap free, and finish in front of goals on either side of his body (which he does).

Nobody else in the team possess this quality. Not Porplyzia, not Johncock, not Petrenko, not Wright. Three of those four guys are so far away from being crumbling forwards its embarrassing.

So let's review again what we have here with Ian Callinan. We have a guy - on absolutel minimum wage - who possesses qualities that nobody else on our list has. On minimum wage.

He has also played two games this year. Two games.

Yep- cutting Ian Callinan is the ruthless, ballsy decision we are all after.....
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Nah it's obvious but may still not be made, that's the problem.
 

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We should try Jaensch as a small forward - he is clearly not a defender; obvious to everyone but our coaches.

Laird should've been tried as a small forward as well.

Although without Tippett/Tex, a crumbling forward will struggle this year anyway - especially when we have a forward coach who seems completely incapable of structuring and teaching a forward line to create space for each other.

Slippery Pete said:
So let's review again what we have here with Ian Callinan. We have a guy - on absolute minimum wage - who possesses qualities that nobody else on our list has. On minimum wage. Did you get that bit?
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He failed miserably in finals, after showing signs of his inability to perform against good sides.

I know you love him, and if he was a foot taller, he'd be a genuine star, but we have enough senior players who fail completely when it matters, we don't need another.
 
JP Sauce said:
He's under contract, so as amazing as it would be for him to walk as an FA it can't happen for 2 more seasons.
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I know he's contracted. Contracts are supposedly a two way street, so we can't then go and say we want to trade you. If we do want to trade him, then in my view that contract is now broken, which means he can go as an unrestricted free agent.

My point is no club is going to do a swap for him for another player, when if they really wanted him they can get him for nothing most likely.

You used to be able to trade contracted older players, but now with free agency that is a whole different dynamic.
 
smoovy said:
I know he's contracted. Contracts are supposedly a two way street, so we can't then go and say we want to trade you. If we do want to trade him, then in my view that contract is now broken, which means he can go as an unrestricted free agent.
It may be your view but its not right, he is under contract so he can't be a free agent
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smoovy said:
I know he's contracted. Contracts are supposedly a two way street, so we can't then go and say we want to trade you. If we do want to trade him, then in my view that contract is now broken, which means he can go as an unrestricted free agent.

My point is no club is going to do a swap for him for another player, when if they really wanted him they can get him for nothing most likely.

You used to be able to trade contracted older players, but now with free agency that is a whole different dynamic.
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Do players have to agree to trades?

If not we can trade Reilly as we like. He's under contract, so we "own" him and the rights to him.
 
JP Sauce said:
Do players have to agree to trades?

If not we can trade Reilly as we like. He's under contract, so we "own" him and the rights to him.
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When they are uncontracted, to a certain extent they do, if they don't they go into the draft.

If they are contracted then they most certainly do have to agree to the trade...it is a contract!
 

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