Strategy Which changes do we make at seasons end? (coaching, rec, dev, admin?)

[jathanas]

Fitness dept goneski, the players are a bunch of triathletes trying to tackle AFL beasts. Has Aish ever done a barbell squat?

Coaching dept has had a fair shot at the job, hasn't worked. Bring in a new head who can decide which of the assistants they'd like to make offers to.

Eddie is like a nappy that hasn't been changed for 3 weeks.

 

[jathanas]

If John the boot studded isn't fired by the end of the season I'll hand in my membership

Daphorem

 

[Robroy22]

Said it elsewhere:

Gubby back as CEO
Walsh as Football Operations manager
Maxy back as Player welfare/leadership/development role
Brendan McCartney in as Player development/VFL coach
Paul Hood in as player development coach
Tapping and Nicks in as assistant coaches (game day roles/tacticians)
Rendell takes over List management
Brett Ratten (AFL coach)

 

[magpies42]

Would be happy for Buckley to leave if we had a high degree of certainty of success...Alistair Clarkson or even Paul Roos, not sure if there are any untried coaches that are likely to do well. Otherwise you're making change for the sake of it and bowing to pressure. Most of the successful coaches will have at some point gone through periods where they should have been sacked.

I agree with some of the media, more than anything we have get our recruiting strategy right. We've had footy operations bosses in 5 years, they will have all had their on list management theories and it shows.

No coach could do anything with such an imablanaced list. We have too much grunt and not enough smart class as the key problem, key position forwards is a secondary problem in my mind. Midfields make forwards look good.

I say smart because disposal wise we aren't as bad our results suggest, it's more stupid decisions which is a confidence thing. I think Adams is the key issue here he is easily panicked.

Take a classy quick midfielder with our first pick, get another running back and also a key forward through trade.

With time the team chemistry will develop also, Buckley has not had that luxury with so many injuries in the last few years.

In summary we need pace and smart disposers of the ball trade off is grunt. We don't need to change the whole footy department to do that.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Said it elsewhere:

Gubby back as CEO
Walsh as Football Operations manager
Maxy back as Player welfare/leadership/development role
Brendan McCartney in as Player development/VFL coach
Paul Hood in as player development coach
Tapping and Nicks in as assistant coaches (game day roles/tacticians)
Rendell takes over List management
Brett Ratten (AFL coach)

Serious question?
Can you explain Gubby?

 

[Jafo]

Voted for the whole footy department, Pert should go too.

Wasn't Pert reportedly throwing his hat into the Hawthorn ring?

 

[Matt_352]

Gubby not welcome back after the Mayne debacle.

Clean the whole lot out that includes Pert.... And possibly Ed as well.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

I'm going to post what Leigh Matthews said pretty much yesterday after the game.

(And yes, as has been pointed out, I do like Leigh Matthews.)

The Club and Nathan Buckley will do one of three things:

• Nathan will fall on his sword
• The Club will determine, even without having a replacement in mind, that a change is needed.
• The Club will reappoint the coach.

Leigh is leaning to option one, Nathan falling on his sword, as the most likely outcome.

He mentioned it's impossible to know if a coach is getting the best from a group or someone could even do better. From within the Club he says it's impossible to know let alone from outside.

He went on. All you have are the numbers. And as you know the numbers are not good.

What I love about Leigh, without fanfare, hype, he just cuts through.

A true lengend of football and our club too.

 

[jdpie]

All heads of football department gone and the incoming coach to decide on what's to be done with assistants/ recruiting/ fitness/ rehab in conjunction with Walsh.

This isn't the first question that needs to be answered and should only be assessed once Pert is moved on.

Being hypersensitive to the Pert is cultural cancer did anyone else notice Walshy's body language in the post game pow wow that was shown on every post game fox show ??

 

[DWil6]

Would be happy for Buckley to leave if we had a high degree of certainty of success.

Unfortunately it's gone beyond that stage already. We have to change because the current direction is simply not working. I'd rather risk going backwards (almost impossible from where we are) than maintain the current rage. We are in a unique position where we can't really lose by changing but we almost certainly will continue to lose if we don't. It's a no-brainer.

 

[DWil6]

I'm going to post what Leigh Matthews said pretty much yesterday after the game.

(And yes, as has been pointed out, I do like Leigh Matthews.)

The Club and Nathan Buckley will do one of three things:

• Nathan will fall on his sword
• The Club will determine, even without having a replacement in mind, that a change is needed.
• The Club will reappoint the coach.

Leigh is leaning to option one, Nathan falling on his sword, as the most likely outcome.

He mentioned it's impossible to know if a coach is getting the best from a group or someone could even do better. From within the Club he says it's impossible to know let alone from outside.

He went on. All you have are the numbers. And as you know the numbers are not good.

What I love about Leigh, without fanfare, hype, he just cuts through.

A true lengend of football and our club too.

He's got this spot on for mine, SV.

 

[MagpieBat]

Wasn't Pert reportedly throwing his hat into the Hawthorn ring?

Yes, and apparently the MCC role too...

 

[Scodog10]

Being hypersensitive to the Pert is cultural cancer did anyone else notice Walshy's body language in the post game pow wow that was shown on every post game fox show ??

I've seen it, but didn't notice anything there from Walsh. My only takeaway was that Pert was the only one in a suit. By that I mean he doesn't know his place which is not in football department discussions (which I assume is what you were referring to with Walsh's body language?).

IMO, if your role requires you to where a suit you don't have input into areas that don't need a suit. In a nutshell as an administrator you employ people to do a job so let them do it!

 

[lenny20]

The two most hurtful cancers which we simply must get out of the club at all costs are Pert and Harvey.

Pert has his eye on profits and it's at the expense of the club's success. It's a dumbfoundingly idiotic and myopic view and he amazingly doesn't seem to realize that dollars flow from the club winning football games first and foremost. It's all very well and good to try and sell me a membership for netball games on the side, but if you're not willing to spend enough to hire a full time ruck coach, some more accomplished assistants and sufficiently resourced recruiters, then you're just sacrificing the club for the bottom line. And all so you can avoid paying a small equalisation tax. There's a reason Pert is despised throughout the club, going back to the days of Trav Cloke parking in his space. He's a money hungry grub with no feel for the sport. The sooner he takes up a job at an investment banking firm the better we'll all be.

Harvs is just a terrible coach and always has been. It speaks volumes that St Kilda was relieved to see him depart their club. Our midfielders have regressed like clockwork every year he's been in charge.

There are plenty more that need to be shown the door (or at least demoted to token positions - Tarks and Pebbles spring to mind) but Pert and Harvey are bonafide club destroyers. I'd even be willing to keep Bucks if it meant we could offload those two.

 

[MagpieBat]

I've seen it, but didn't notice anything there from Walsh. My only takeaway was that Pert was the only one in a suit. By that I mean he doesn't know his place which is not in football department discussions (which I assume is what you were referring to with Walsh's body language?).

IMO, if your role requires you to where a suit you don't have input into areas that don't need a suit. In a nutshell as an administrator you employ people to do a job so let them do it!

Don't give him any ideas, Sco. He'll start rocking up in a polo next!

 

[Robroy22]

Serious question?
Can you explain Gubby?

Saint, I think you and I are on the same wavelength re: Leigh Matthews. In 1990 Lethal got to coach a Collingwood premiership team run by his good mate and confidant Graham "Gubby" Allan. A few years later when Lethal was set the task of making the Bears relevant he chose Gubby as his right hand man resulting in 3 flags going North. Lethal doesn't make many mistakes when it comes to football and footy people so if he thinks Gubby Allan is the best administrator going around then that's good enough for me.

Some AFL administrators (Graham Richmond, Alan Aylett, Ian Collins, Gubby Allan) just have more power than their counterparts because of who and what they know. I'm pretty sure none of the aforementioned would be able to say they've never bent the rules for their club's advantage but I also know they all got the jobs done.

I think Gary Pert has made a lot of $$$ for our club but I also think he's alienated a lot of people (and good Collingwood people too) along the journey. Gubby is sneaky and ruthless, he's knowledgable and practical. I think in times like these where great change is about to take place, that having a person of Gubby's ilk would be an advantage rather than a hinderance.

 

[Scodog10]

Don't give him any ideas, Sco. He'll start rocking up in a polo next!

It honestly wouldn't shock me if the muppet started doing that!

 

[Vicky Park]

I'd like a thorough review of recruiting and drafting; obviously including Hine, but also his team. Not sure we've improved with Rendell on staff. Also review the involvement of anyone else involved in the decisions - Bucks? Surely we don't allow Pert near this, and Heaven forbid Eddie.

Remember 'in Hine we trust'? Why has our success rate fallen away, or has the appearance of that (although more than a few of the kids we've drafted are still too young to judge).

We won a flag with several rookies for Gods sake. We used to find 'gems'.

Potential factors include

• Reduced spending (research, staff, recruiters on the ground)
• Change of coaches (have we fallen behind in this area on Bucks' watch?)
• Draft talent pool reduced/impacted by the expansion teams
• A revolving door of heads of our footy dept (but not sure how this would impact recruitment and drafting)
• Quality reruitment staff being poached by other clubs
• Hine simply no longer up to it

No heads should roll until this is done.

 

[Jafo]

Yes, and apparently the MCC role too...

Heard MCC one was filled.

 

[Scodog10]

I'd like a thorough review of recruiting and drafting; obviously including Hine, but also his team. Not sure we've improved with Rendell on staff. Also review the involvement of anyone else involved in the decisions - Bucks? Surely we don't allow Pert near this, and Heaven forbid Eddie.

Remember 'in Hine we trust'? Why has our success rate fallen away, or has the appearance of that (although more than a few of the kids we've drafted are still too young to judge).

We won a flag with several rookies for Gods sake. We used to find 'gems'.

Potential factors include

• Reduced spending (research, staff, recruiters on the ground)
• Change of coaches (have we fallen behind in this area on Bucks' watch?)
• Draft talent pool reduced/impacted by the expansion teams
• A revolving door of heads of our footy dept (but not sure how this would impact recruitment and drafting)
• Quality reruitment staff being poached by other clubs
• Hine simply no longer up to it

No heads should roll until this is done.

According to Pert in a pre-match interview on SEN before the Saints match he is a member of the list management team. Amazingly I believe it's a somewhat common practice given comments from Jon Ralph earlier this year about the composition of list management teams in general.

I'd personally have no issue with the list management team briefing the CEO at certain times because it could create further accountability, but to have an administrator actively involved in Footy matters is bonkers.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Saint, I think you and I are on the same wavelength re: Leigh Matthews. In 1990 Lethal got to coach a Collingwood premiership team run by his good mate and confidant Graham "Gubby" Allan. A few years later when Lethal was set the task of making the Bears relevant he chose Gubby as his right hand man resulting in 3 flags going North. Lethal doesn't make many mistakes when it comes to football and footy people so if he thinks Gubby Allan is the best administrator going around then that's good enough for me.

Some AFL administrators (Graham Richmond, Alan Aylett, Ian Collins, Gubby Allan) just have more power than their counterparts because of who and what they know. I'm pretty sure none of the aforementioned would be able to say they've never bent the rules for their club's advantage but I also know they all got the jobs done.

I think Gary Pert has made a lot of $$$ for our club but I also think he's alienated a lot of people (and good Collingwood people too) along the journey. Gubby is sneaky and ruthless, he's knowledgable and practical. I think in times like these where great change is about to take place, that having a person of Gubby's ilk would be an advantage rather than a hinderance.

My biggest issue with Gubby was our end of year deals.
Apparantly he was red Hot on Mayne.
He did dispense with various ball butchers so tick there.

Just the Whitfield thing, the deal making at trade time might just be sigalling he's not what he once was.

But Leigh's choice as right hand man does make feel bualk yes.

Bit I think Pert should be moved on, and Mr McGuire should also be going to the general membership seats.

But ofcourse none of this will happen and this time next year, whoever is in our coaches seat well still be asking questions.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

According to Pert in a pre-match interview on SEN before the Saints match he is a member of the list management team. Amazingly I believe it's a somewhat common practice given comments from Jon Ralph earlier this year about the composition of list management teams in general.

I'd personally have no issue with the list management team briefing the CEO at certain times because it could create further accountability, but to have an administrator actively involved in Footy matters is bonkers.

Totally agree.
Why Pert is poking his fingers in that pie, other than general updating, is very odd.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

But you can stay and give us VFL updates.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

I'd like a thorough review of recruiting and drafting; obviously including Hine, but also his team. Not sure we've improved with Rendell on staff. Also review the involvement of anyone else involved in the decisions - Bucks? Surely we don't allow Pert near this, and Heaven forbid Eddie.

Remember 'in Hine we trust'? Why has our success rate fallen away, or has the appearance of that (although more than a few of the kids we've drafted are still too young to judge).

We won a flag with several rookies for Gods sake. We used to find 'gems'.

Potential factors include

• Reduced spending (research, staff, recruiters on the ground)
• Change of coaches (have we fallen behind in this area on Bucks' watch?)
• Draft talent pool reduced/impacted by the expansion teams
• A revolving door of heads of our footy dept (but not sure how this would impact recruitment and drafting)
• Quality reruitment staff being poached by other clubs
• Hine simply no longer up to it

No heads should roll until this is done.

Fair call.

Telling point! Keep Ed away!

But that won't happen, he'll be up to his ears in everything.

I've had a long held view, difficult for me to say, but here goes, Ed is nowhere near as clever as he thinks he is. That has hurt us. Though he has done a lot of good and deserves a tick for that good.

And remembering Ed is a bigger supporter of Buckley than I am, nonetheless, Ed just should retire.

Is not healthy in my view.

 

[Schraderbrau]

Neil is the bootstudder.
And he got an award for club services in recent AGM.

Unsure his work with carrying the big bags is that poor that the poor guy cops the guillotine
So your membership is still safe. (Subject to your payment of full subs, Pert likes seeing the money.)

Given the recent results Neil's position is untenable imo. I want security escorting him out of holder centre asap lest he take any boot ip with him