Whitnall - our missing link down back?

[stokesy]

Well...Well...

Big Lance, outstanding.

I raise this question to you, sould Lance now be our CHB and a backline player?

He can read the ball so well and uses it pretty well too.

A couple of weeks now he has been superb down back.

Could he be the missing link, could he be the new player to be our general in the backline?

Waite, Fisher, Bryan can all play CHF there seems to be little room or need for him down there.

 

[Muji]

HELL YEAH!

if he plays like he did today.. i'd hand him CHB any day

 

[magpies42]

Well...Well...

Big Lance, outstanding.

I raise this question to you, sould Lance now be our CHB and a backline player?

He can read the ball so well and uses it pretty well too.

A couple of weeks now he has been superb down back.

Could he be the missing link, could he be the new player to be our general in the backline?

Waite, Fisher, Bryan can all play CHF there seems to be little room or need for him down there.

haha

your missing link is john elliot without him you never would have 'beaten' teh salary cap and won those premierships!

 

[sikth]

Well...Well...

Big Lance, outstanding.

I raise this question to you, sould Lance now be our CHB and a backline player?

He can read the ball so well and uses it pretty well too.

A couple of weeks now he has been superb down back.

Could he be the missing link, could he be the new player to be our general in the backline?

Waite, Fisher, Bryan can all play CHF there seems to be little room or need for him down there.

Lance will get carved up by the comps better CHF's. He just doesn't have the athleticism to go with them. He plays well as the loose man or on the third tall because he reads the play so well but Thornton is a much better option at CHB.

 

[blangerang]

Lance will get carved up by the comps better CHF's. He just doesn't have the athleticism to go with them. He plays well as the loose man or on the third tall because he reads the play so well but Thornton is a much better option at CHB.

about time someone said that.. lance is a forward bret thornton is a defender

 

[stokesy]

He is a forward, but I'm not sure whether we need him there.

Let me rephrase the question, is he the 'bigger' body we are missing down back?

 

[Teagson]

haha

your missing link is john elliot without him you never would have 'beaten' teh salary cap and won those premierships!

Despite the fact that we never actually won a premiership by beating 'teh' Salary Cap.

I think it might be too premature to be deciding on Lance's appropriate position, seeing as our two previous opponents have been weaker teams in Richmond and Hawthorn.

 

[Hu$$ey]

Well...Well...

Big Lance, outstanding.

I raise this question to you, sould Lance now be our CHB and a backline player?

He can read the ball so well and uses it pretty well too.

A couple of weeks now he has been superb down back.

Could he be the missing link, could he be the new player to be our general in the backline?

Waite, Fisher, Bryan can all play CHF there seems to be little room or need for him down there.

Lance had a great game but he gets carved up on the lead and even body on body. He isnt the next CHB but the New Teague i.e. he should take the 3rd or 4th tall in the backline

 

[Sealen]

From today's and last weeks performance, 3rd defender - Zone off his opponent to provide support in the air.

 

[gandaal]

When we get Thornton back we can put him on the top forward and allow Whitnall the luxury to run off the second or third forward and dominate. If this works out, with Waite, Fevola and Fisher firing up forward we won't even need Livo in defense or Whitnall up forward.

 

[as0l0]

lance should continue his career as a backman as should scott camporeale. I hope (I pray!) our club signs a deal with both of them very soon.

 

[bluevegas]

lance should continue his career as a backman as should scott camporeale. I hope (I pray!) our club signs a deal with both of them very soon.

Lance should be kept I would still play him as a forward but like today when we don't have a specialist CHB & our full back is not playing to his best. He can slot in quite nicely down there.

Scott Camporeale like Lance have been great players for the blues & he played a big game today in the back half & probably will play more down there in the future but I feel that we should be looking trading him. If we can get a highish pick or player that converts into someone who can play 6-8 years we will more benefit then keeping him for another 2-3 years.

Todays win was awesome but in reality we will still struggle (unlikely premiers)for another 2 or more years until the likes of Carrazzo, Betts, Fisher, Simpson, Bentik, Waite, Walker, Blackwell & Raso keep improving. Along with any we can pick up along the way. When these players are the first mentioned with our stars Fev, Stevo, Scotland, Thornton, Whitnall we WILL be a first rate side.

However cannot see the likes of Kouta, Campo, French being able to keep going until then therefore thats why we should try to trade Campo now whilst we can get something for him.

 

[stokesy]

However cannot see the likes of Kouta, Campo, French being able to keep going until then therefore thats why we should try to trade Campo now whilst we can get something for him.

Nup, lets not be pricks and backstab him.

 

[Allen's Blues]

Well...Well...

Big Lance, outstanding.

I raise this question to you, sould Lance now be our CHB and a backline player?

He can read the ball so well and uses it pretty well too.

A couple of weeks now he has been superb down back.

Could he be the missing link, could he be the new player to be our general in the backline?

Waite, Fisher, Bryan can all play CHF there seems to be little room or need for him down there.

I think your forgetting about Bret Thorton, but yeah Lance probably can play as a loose man in defence, it will probaly depend on the opponent, however Whitnall looks like a player, however no matter where he plays i am happy if he plays on for Carlton for years to come, i hope that Carlton give him another contract

 

[Uhumagoo]

Jason Cloke was pretty handy as loose man in defense too. But on this occasion Whitnall did actually play on and beat opponents, he just zoned off early... It worked yesteday, besides having a few goals kicked on him.. I would not bank on that as our key to holding down CHB in the future.
IMO Whitall should be kept, but in the long-term he should not be Centre-Half anything. I think he plays his best football out of the goalsquare, brings other players int the game, and can relieve in Defense occasionally.

 

[av76]

Jason Cloke was pretty handy as loose man in defense too. But on this occasion Whitnall did actually play on and beat opponents, he just zoned off early... It worked yesteday, besides having a few goals kicked on him.. I would not bank on that as our key to holding down CHB in the future.
IMO Whitall should be kept, but in the long-term he should not be Centre-Half anything. I think he plays his best football out of the goalsquare, brings other players int the game, and can relieve in Defense occasionally.

Agree...and if we want to continue playing a loose man in defence recruit someone else to do it and let Whitnall play forward. Whitnall is probably too slow to play a pure backman (e.g. playing on an Ottens or Pavlich). Think he's doing a great job but we are better served playing him up forward. With Fisher providing another target and hopefully another tall coming through Whitnall will hopefully get a little less attention. I think Prendergast is meant to play the big floating body in the back half but just doesn't have the footy brain to pull it off or skill to use intercepted balls! In a perfect world we wouldn't need a loose man b/c our midfield applies to much pressure and our backman are capable of holding there men one-on-one...its nice to dream.

 

[pumped]

Jason Cloke was pretty handy as loose man in defense too. But on this occasion Whitnall did actually play on and beat opponents, he just zoned off early... It worked yesteday, besides having a few goals kicked on him.. I would not bank on that as our key to holding down CHB in the future.
IMO Whitall should be kept, but in the long-term he should not be Centre-Half anything. I think he plays his best football out of the goalsquare, brings other players int the game, and can relieve in Defense occasionally.

Tend to agree that Lance's best value could be out of the goal square. He is a highly gifted player and uses the ball exceptionally well, something that much of our list have trouble with. I also believe he is one of the few players in our side to have achieved any level of consistency this year. The others that spring to mind being Carazzo, French [pre injury] and Waite.

 

[mojo31]

Tend to agree that Lance's best value could be out of the goal square. He is a highly gifted player and uses the ball exceptionally well, something that much of our list have trouble with. I also believe he is one of the few players in our side to have achieved any level of consistency this year. The others that spring to mind being Carazzo, French [pre injury] and Waite.

FF in a side with a good midfield would maximize his strengths (reading the play, use of his body and timing his lead) and minimize his weaknesses (pace and his opponent running off him).
We have Fev and he is signed up for 3 years and is younger. If the club gets a good trade for Lance and he gets more money elsewhere then I would trade him.
If we are offered fringe players or a second round pick then we keep him. We need a quality player or a first round pick.

 

[as0l0]

Scott Camporeale like Lance have been great players for the blues & he played a big game today in the back half & probably will play more down there in the future but I feel that we should be looking trading him. If we can get a highish pick or player that converts into someone who can play 6-8 years we will more benefit then keeping him for another 2-3 years.

I disagree, i think Scott will be more value to us for the next 6-8 years, for the following reason. If we can be loyal to Scott in the way he has been loyal to us then our younger players will notice this. When our younger players reach thier potential, they will remember that the club is loyal to the players and therefore the players should be loyal to the club.

If we ditch Scott, then we will be teaching those players that Carlton is not interested in the players. From that, the young guys will learn that they should be loyal to themselves. When the time comes that we can't afford them, they will go elsewhere.

 

[mojo31]

I disagree, i think Scott will be more value to us for the next 6-8 years, for the following reason. If we can be loyal to Scott in the way he has been loyal to us then our younger players will notice this. When our younger players reach thier potential, they will remember that the club is loyal to the players and therefore the players should be loyal to the club.

If we ditch Scott, then we will be teaching those players that Carlton is not interested in the players. From that, the young guys will learn that they should be loyal to themselves. When the time comes that we can't afford them, they will go elsewhere.

No. Absolutely not. You get paid what you arw worth and what you are going to deliver over the course of your contract. Not because you have been at the club a long time and you have experience.
The club has signed up there young talented players and Lappin, Whitnall and Campo have not been signed up.

 

[oaksy]

He is a forward, but I'm not sure whether we need him there.

Let me rephrase the question, is he the 'bigger' body we are missing down back?

yes, but not whitnall

 

[Effes]

Playing the Jason Cloke roll atm. Bringing his trade value up

Will not be at the club next year.

 

[stokesy]

Playing the Jason Cloke roll atm. Bringing his trade value up

Will not be at the club next year.

I trully do hope you are wrong.

 

[as0l0]

No. Absolutely not. You get paid what you arw worth and what you are going to deliver over the course of your contract. Not because you have been at the club a long time and you have experience.
The club has signed up there young talented players and Lappin, Whitnall and Campo have not been signed up.

that's all well and good, but then you should expect players to have the same attitude. when we have trouble fitting waite, walker, carazzo etc into our salary cap, you should expect then to take the same line. "pay me what i'm worth or i will go elsewhere" and "it doesn't matter that the club showed faith or that i have been here a long time".

 

[Effes]

I trully do hope you are wrong.

I truely hope I am right. Lance has not given 100% at this club, while at the same time receiving mega bucks.

Pagan is doing it perfectly - he is forcing him to be accountable down back and it keeps him in the play - brings his value up well.