Who will be under the most pressure?

[irel]

With all due respect irel, wrong on Rischitelli , seriously wrong on Charman and not sure on Proud

Obviously, given the new players we have picked up in trade week and the draft, Sam Sheldon is going to struggle to get a game and that bloke we picked up from Melbourne, the one with the beard, is also under the pump.

In my opinion, both were in serious doubt well before the end of last season, which has them in all sorts of bother as we contemplate 2010.

Go Lions ... but the guernseys are an embarrassment!

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I don't believe I am wrong on Charman and Riska. Charman in all his time at the lions has had one barely competent season in the ruck. As a ruckman he lacks the finer skills and adds very little value to the team. Yes he shows aggression but usually misdirected, bullying some poor unfortunate sod who has just crumbed his hit out and scored a goal for the opposition. Charmo's signature follow up is to chest the bloke in an impotent aggressive manner while the little fellow is pointing to the score board. I'd like to see Bart get a go or even McCauley if he ends up on our list.

Riska has held the club to ransom the last two contract negotiation periods and secured for himself a pay packet well above his output. The club is simply not receiving value for money from Riska and I believe that's way he was part of the Fev deal initially. Also the events of the trading period can not be ignored as it was reported he knocked back Carlton because of advice received from Beatson that there will be an opportunity to go to GC for greater monatery rewards. Make what you like of that.

I agree with you on that bearded bloke we picked up from Melbourne, however I slightly disagree with you on Sheldon, although you view has merit. Voss obviously loves Sheldon and that's way he kept getting games when his performances clearly did not warrant Sheldon being selected for the 22. Voss has this romantic vision of seeing the number 3 running around for the Lions. So no matter what, Sheldon will be carried in the team. Deserving or not. Sheldon is not in my best 30 and the bearded tramp is not in my best 22.

 

[3KZ is Football]

I don't believe I am wrong on Charman...Charman in all his time at the lions has had one barely competent season in the ruck.

As I said irel, time will tell in relation to Charman in 2010.

Given your overview of his career, I wonder how he managed to get a regular game in what was arguably the strongest AFL side any of us has ever seen during the 2002 and 2003 seasons? I really don't think Leigh Matthews was in the habit of regularly selecting "barely competent" players.

As I said, maybe I am overly enthusiastic about Charman, but I think with good reason.

As for Sam Sheldon, anybody who has read any of my posts on him would know I am not a fan, but I don't think I have descended to abusing him in the way some are prepared to heap abuse on Charman.

Of course, the bloke with the beard is another story ... I think I might have abused him at some stage.

Go Lions ... but the guernseys are an embarrassment

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[Hollow Knight]

As I said irel, time will tell in relation to Charman in 2010.

Given your overview of his career, I wonder how he managed to get a regular game in what was arguably the strongest AFL side any of us has ever seen during the 2002 and 2003 seasons? I really don't think Leigh Matthews was in the habit of regularly selecting "barely competent" players.

In all fairness, the ruck division wasn't too hard to get a game in in the premiership years. Bozo and Crackers were guns but were often injured.

All you had to do to get a game was be better than Dylan McLaren.

Charmo was a talented player back then though, no doubt.

 

[Dylan12]

Unfairly, Michael Rischitelli will be under the most pressure. As Bradshaw left anyway, we could have grabbed Fev and kept Hendo and pick 12 for the loss of Rischitelli (and pick 27).

On the other hand, Rischitelli has stagnated as a player. He needs to take another step up for him to get a consistent game next year.

FWIW, a few weeks back I was told by a player manager of a number of the lions boys that Rischitelli will be going to the Gold Coast at season's end, and the way he was so flippant about it, I must say it almost seemed that it is common knowledge he is walking.

No doubt a lot can happen between now and then and I respect that many have flagged the possibility of Rischitelli walking at the first opportunity he gets due to the debacle that was the Fevola trade, but when you throw in the players over the years that the club has just let walk without compensation it is really disappointing.

Considering most clubs will lose one uncontracted player, I suppose it could be worse if it does eventuate, especially if he has another year similar to the last one or two.

 

[daniel15327]

I dont believe Vossy will be under as much pressure THIS year as people are suggesting. Time will be given to prove these trades have benefited the club.

I think in a year or two, if a lot of the trades havent worked out to our advantage, then Vossy will definitely be under pressure. For now though i think he will be given the full support of the club to prove his worth.

 

[Quigley]

FWIW, a few weeks back I was told by a player manager of a number of the lions boys that Rischitelli will be going to the Gold Coast at season's end, and the way he was so flippant about it, I must say it almost seemed that it is common knowledge he is walking.

No doubt a lot can happen between now and then and I respect that many have flagged the possibility of Rischitelli walking at the first opportunity he gets due to the debacle that was the Fevola trade, but when you throw in the players over the years that the club has just let walk without compensation it is really disappointing.

Considering most clubs will lose one uncontracted player, I suppose it could be worse if it does eventuate, especially if he has another year similar to the last one or two.

If Richitelli was the free agent we lost I would not be horribly disappointed based on his form the last couple of years. Hell throw a few games his way to get our compensation up a bit.

 

[whatboutbob]

FWIW, a few weeks back I was told by a player manager of a number of the lions boys that Rischitelli will be going to the Gold Coast at season's end, and the way he was so flippant about it, I must say it almost seemed that it is common knowledge he is walking.

No doubt a lot can happen between now and then and I respect that many have flagged the possibility of Rischitelli walking at the first opportunity he gets due to the debacle that was the Fevola trade, but when you throw in the players over the years that the club has just let walk without compensation it is really disappointing.

Considering most clubs will lose one uncontracted player, I suppose it could be worse if it does eventuate, especially if he has another year similar to the last one or two.

Well, at least if Riska goes to the GC we'll get a pick.

Hope I'm wrong, but can't see Charmo with the club past next year. As has been stated, the ruck rule changes killed his efficacy.

 

[Gibbo_88]

Collier and Proud IMO if they can't play 10+ games then doubt they will be at the lions for 2011.

 

[Dylan12]

Any chance of Leuenberger being under pressure if he has another injury prone year? I would think not, but if he only managed a half dozen games it would be very concerning to say the least.

 

[Koji]

Rischa. I questioned his capability in 2009.. wasn't very "seen" on the field at all.. whether good or bad.. flying under the radar is the worse type of player we could have.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Any chance of Leuenberger being under pressure if he has another injury prone year? I would think not, but if he only managed a half dozen games it would be very concerning to say the least.

He's only 21. Ruckmen aren't expected to really start delivering consistently until they are 23-24. He is safe as houses. Especially as we are light on for ruck depth.

 

[roostersgal4eva]

Unfairly maligned player in my book.

He was asked to play a role in 2009 and made a fair fist of it....then got shopped around for his trouble.

I'm with roostersgal4ever....on the bandwagon for 2010

well im driving, you can ride shotgun

 

[Maverick]

Tom Collier - I was really expecting him to step up this year...very disappointing. Needs to show dramatic improvement in 2010 to be in best 22.

 

[Secular Bicep]

Rischitelli - if he is indeed walking I would be in two minds what to do.

1) Not give him a senior game and play him for suncoast all year.

2) Make sure he gets 22 games and increase his trade value so we rip the gold coast off.

The cons with #2 is there are probably other players who will miss out because of him. But the pros with #2 are huge.

 

[Secular Bicep]

Tom Collier - I was really expecting him to step up this year...very disappointing. Needs to show dramatic improvement in 2010 to be in best 22.

Good point. I see him a gold coast boy in 2011.

 

[dmac_55]

Play Riska 22 games and give him the best and fairest so we get even more compensation

 

[BigCat2]

Why is Collier suddenly under pressure because he hasn't managed to cement a spot after 2 years on our list? Remember he's still only 20.

The type of game he plays...he needs to get everything working together to make it click. While he did bulk up last year, he's still spending some time working out how to use his more imposing frame.

Not everybody is Daniel Rich. I find it puzzling that heads are called for if players aren't automatic starters after 2 years.

 

[charles202]

I'm surprised people think that Collier is under pressure this year, I thought he showed some promising signs in the games he's played in so far.

I think that battle between Collier and Raines for JMac's spot will be the best of the battles of the preseason and NAB Cup.

I would give the first shot to Collier.

Defensively, he has the size to play on a third tall (I remember the talk when he was drafted that he may be able to hold down CHB) and the agility (think he was 3rd at draft camp testing??) to play on a small.

Offensively, he will give us plenty of run of the HB flank, just needs to work on kicking and decision making.

 

[whatboutbob]

I'm surprised people think that Collier is under pressure this year, I thought he showed some promising signs in the games he's played in so far.

Yup, I would've thought Collier's safe until the end of next season, particularly as a taller player. Really hoping he finds his feet this year though. He just seems to have all the assets to become an exciting defender.

Defensively, he has the size to play on a third tall (I remember the talk when he was drafted that he may be able to hold down CHB) and the agility (think he was 3rd at draft camp testing??) to play on a small.

4th in agility and 3km time trial.

 

[Quigley]

I'm surprised people think that Collier is under pressure this year, I thought he showed some promising signs in the games he's played in so far.

I think that battle between Collier and Raines for JMac's spot will be the best of the battles of the preseason and NAB Cup.

I would give the first shot to Collier.

Defensively, he has the size to play on a third tall (I remember the talk when he was drafted that he may be able to hold down CHB) and the agility (think he was 3rd at draft camp testing??) to play on a small.

Offensively, he will give us plenty of run of the HB flank, just needs to work on kicking and decision making.

I think Patfull might be the favourite for Macdonald's spot with Maguire going over to CHB. If not it would not surprise me for Raines to get first look although I rate Collier higher.

 

[chopperduck]

Geez, very tough on 2nd year players on this board. Can't expect players like Collier to become great in 12 months, especially when they can barely get some senior games. He is far from under pressure this year. Solid pre season and games in the 2nds with a call up or 2 will be great to have under his belt i think. 2011 is Colliers step up year.

 

[weisbar]

Collier is going to be a gun. He showed glimpses last year - you would have to wonder why they persisted with Roe and not Collier? Unless he was injured. I would love to see Collier, McGrath, Goose, Merret, Patfull, Drummond in the back 6. With either Drummond / McGrath taking the kick-ins....although McGrath is a bit suspect sometimes....actually no, let just Drummond take the kick-ins....

 

[Tassie4ever]

Collier is going to be a gun. He showed glimpses last year - you would have to wonder why they persisted with Roe and not Collier? Unless he was injured. I would love to see Collier, McGrath, Goose, Merret, Patfull, Drummond in the back 6. With either Drummond / McGrath taking the kick-ins....although McGrath is a bit suspect sometimes....actually no, let just Drummond take the kick-ins....

Who knows why Roe was preferred over Collier. Injury? Soreness? Maturity?

My suspicion is that Roe was playing for his career and the hierarchy determined that he should be given a chance. He was. He is gone.

Collier is a work in progress but will be provided with his opportunity as he deserves.

 

[Gibbo_88]

Collier is going to be a gun. He showed glimpses last year

What did he do that showed he was a gun? He has shown that he will throw his body around and that he has the body to do it and...? I'm a big fan of him and hope he comes on this season but it's not like he has elite kicking skills or anything that makes him stand out.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Not sure if Collier will be stepping in to Roe's spot. I don't think Collier will ever be a defender that defends, at least not as his priority. He may be tall but he isn't an aerialist.

Give him the ball and let him run.