Who will win the flag?

[kaiserchief13]

Who wins the 2012 premiership?

 

[Tulip]

You voted for West Coast. Really?

 

[tacopavlich]

Realy hard to go past Hawthorn. Would like to make a more interesting call, but can't think of a reason why they shouldn't still be favourites.

btw lol op voting WC

 

[footscore]

but can't think of a reason why they shouldn't still be favourites.

average ruck stocks, no champion KPD (apart from Roughead, who has yet to play half a season in defense), quite a slow midfield apart from the 29 year old Burgoyne.

There's a few reasons why they may have some issues when the top teams start peaking around mid to late August

But as long as those who aren't too familiar with footy keep pumping them up at this early stage of the year, the better it will be for a number of teams who are flying under the radar.

 

[Donakebab]

average ruck stocks, no champion KPD (apart from Roughead, who has yet to play half a season in defense), quite a slow midfield apart from the 29 year old Burgoyne.

There's a few reasons why they may have some issues when the top teams start peaking around mid to late August

But as long as those who aren't too familiar with footy keep pumping them up at this early stage of the year, the better it will be for a number of teams who are flying under the radar.

Average ruck stocks, no champion KPF (apart from Podsiadly, who will a good player is no champion), quite slow apart from the 31 year old Wojcinski.

I'm not actually taking a swipe at Geelong who are a super outfit, but you'd be crazy to rate Hawthorn as anything but a real flag threat.

 

[kaiserchief13]

haha Essendon already has 2 votes, yep' this is a serous poll

They couldn't even comprehensively defeat a side that will struggle to make top 8 let alone defeating the top 4 sides in a final.

Collngwood are a side to be reckoned with, we saw how underdone their main players were against Hawthorn and even still controlled large periods of that game.
Thomas, Ball, Swan were quite average, they will be tough to beat in September when they get the full squad back.

West Coast will continue to struggle on the MCG and until they win a final over here with the current crop, they shouldn't be genuine chances of winning it.
Fremantle are foxy but they are in the same boat as West Coast and struggle away from home.
Carlton getting talked about but they still can't seem to beat Hawthorn or Collingwood and haven't really looked close to toppling them.

WC could finish top 2 this year and wont have to play a final away from home until the grand final.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

average ruck stocks, no champion KPD (apart from Roughead, who has yet to play half a season in defense), quite a slow midfield apart from the 29 year old Burgoyne.

There's a few reasons why they may have some issues when the top teams start peaking around mid to late August

But as long as those who aren't too familiar with footy keep pumping them up at this early stage of the year, the better it will be for a number of teams who are flying under the radar.

We didn't have one in 2008 either....

If you work as a team, you don't need champions on every line.

Shiels, Smith and Rioli are far from slow.

Anyway, midfields don't entirely rely on footspeed. Geelong have never had an abundance of speed through the middle in their dominant years, what they do have is hard bodies who can move the ball quickly and accurately.

 

[Jesse Custer]

Whoever gets on a roll at the right time of the season. Won't be Geelong or Collingwood. Probably out of Hawthorn or Carlton for mine.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Whoever gets on a roll at the right time of the season. Won't be Geelong or Collingwood. Probably out of Hawthorn or Carlton for mine.

It's too early to tell.

Lose to Geelong this week, and everyone will be jumping off of Hawthorn and talking about how they were 'fooled'.

I think there are at least 4 teams who can win the flag, and I won't be at all surprised if another 2 or 3 pop up and look capable by Round 12.

 

[Alexwce]

Hawthorn's flag to lose

 

[Old Skool]

I can't see Hawthorn being any better placed than they are now.

 

[footscore]

Average ruck stocks, no champion KPF (apart from Podsiadly, who will a good player is no champion), quite slow apart from the 31 year old Wojcinski.

I'm not actually taking a swipe at Geelong who are a super outfit, but you'd be crazy to rate Hawthorn as anything but a real flag threat.

where did I say I don't rate them as real flag threat?

I merely highlighted their apparent deficiencies.
You need champion defenders to win footy finals and Geelong have them in bundles whereas your mob and Hawthorn do not.

Pods is not a champion...how you could even contemplate him being so is quite immature on your behalf.
Champions are players who have delivered over countless years and are the perennial consistent match winners and he's only been playing the game for 2 years now.

Smedts, Taylor Hunt, Varcoe, Duncan, Christensen, Byrnes, Wojcinski are not your average paced footballers

Until you can correctly quote me, you won't be taken seriously.

 

[footscore]

We didn't have one in 2008 either....

If you work as a team, you don't need champions on every line.

Shiels, Smith and Rioli are far from slow.

Anyway, midfields don't entirely rely on footspeed. Geelong have never had an abundance of speed through the middle in their dominant years, what they do have is hard bodies who can move the ball quickly and accurately.

that's true but Ablett was incredibly explosive and still is one of the quickest midfielders in the league.
On the outside we have Varcoe, Byrnes and Wojcisnki who would seriously push any other speedsters in the game.

We lose Ling but gain speed in Christensen.

Either way you look at it, teams don't win premierships unless they are top notch at everything including speedy players across the park.
I'm just very surprised many have written off Collingwood this year.

 

[mHmmm]

GWS equal 3rd favourite atm, I like this poll!

 

[juniortiger03]

It would have to out of Geelong,Collingwood or the Hawks
I think Hawks.
They have improved and are still inproving,so I say hawks

 

[gwsSWANS]

Hawks/GWS Final it's looking from this poll..

 

[Matt121]

Even though it's not likely

 

[vivien]

no offense, but melbourne 3 votes to north 0?

 

[SE_Blue]

North 0 votes

Hawks for me.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

I think Hawks, but couldn't possibly take this poll seriously once I saw the numbers, so voted Demons for the lulz

 

["Black Kavanagh"]

west coast !

 

[CarltonKid07]

Voted the Giants for shits and gigs.

But Id be putting my money on the Eagles or Hawks

 

[juss]

Still reckon the Hawks.

 

[justlookingaround]

Hawthorn will beat West Coast in Melbourne.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

I'm pretty confident Richmond will beat West Coast in Melbourne.