Society/Culture Why I blame Islam for the fact it's raining today.... part 2

[Chief]

Reminder: This isn't the Israel/Hamas thread. Go to the Israel/Hamas thread if you want to talk about that. Thanks.

Mid East - Israel declare war after Hamas attack II

Part I: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/israel-declare-war-after-hamas-attack.1371828/page-47#post-81443295 Thread Rules: Alright. I recognise that this is a fraught topic for any number of you posting here. Some of you will have family in Israel or Palestine. Some of you will have...

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Thread rules update:

From this point if you're going to make a connection between Islam and the crime rate, you need to demonstrate causation in your post. If you do not, I'm going to infract you for the inherent racism in the position you're taking.

 

[CM86]

Well >intent< should be the pertinent, not unintended. I find it rather offensive to label someone as bigoted / racist through unintended.

Well that's you misreading minds then, maybe step down from that high horse.

Again, you're assuming someones viewpoint as bigoted / racists, when there maybe genuine fear, regardless of how ridiculous that fear is.

Yeah, well... that's my answer.


Maybe if you read it, instead of just chopping it up and removing most of it, there might have been a change of understanding between us.

Maybe when you give up trying to get an answer from 'the other side' you could read my post, and consider what I wrote.

 

[evolved2]

I suspect the average MAGA voter has more progressive views towards the LGBT than the average Muslim.

Thoughts?

 

[Gralin]

you said "recently".
80 years ago, could the Soviets, North Korea, China? be considered left wing?

80 years ago isn't recently

So which governments being replaced by far right were far left?

 

[Chief]

I suspect the average MAGA voter has more progressive views towards the LGBT than the average Muslim.

Thoughts?

Start a poll.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I suspect the average MAGA voter has more progressive views towards the LGBT than the average Muslim.

Thoughts?

Except for those Muslim LGBTs iwho live their lives in suppression and fear.

 

[Carringbush2010]

There are 13 nations that punish atheism by death - all are Muslim.

I'm done with this argument, mate.

Ok, but we're not a muslim nation, nor is any other liberal democracy with muslim immigrants.

So again, your fear of islamic armegeddon is unfounded.

 

[evolved2]

Start a poll.

Not many MAGA or Muslims here, no?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

80 years ago isn't recently

So which governments being replaced by far right were far left?

IDK, apart from the Israeli wackjobs, who is far right?

 

[Carringbush2010]

Yeah, well... that's my answer.


Maybe if you read it, instead of just chopping it up and removing most of it, there might have been a change of understanding between us.

Maybe when you give up trying to get an answer from 'the other side' you could read my post, and consider what I wrote.

I read your whole post.

You're assuming bigotry / racism instead of unwarranted fear. You can't get past this.

I'll leave it there.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Start a poll.

Is this rhyming slang for evolved is a shit troll?

 

[10571z]

'Caliphate is the solution' protests in Germany would be the exception rather than the rule.

If it was widespread, which it isn't, then you'd have a reasonable argument, but you don't.

Germany is a liberal democracy and probably won't change, ever. Even if you have 51% muslim population, Why? Because 99.9999999% of those muslims would move to Germany to escape what they'd come from.

Your fear is unwarranted.

Can you back this up with any sort of evidence?

Terrifying state of Britain: Almost THIRD of country's Muslims have positive view of Hamas

New polling has revealed 15 per cent of 1,000 British Muslims view Hamas as 'very positive'

www.gbnews.com

"A new poll has found that almost a third of British Muslims think it would be "desirable" to implement Sharia Law within the next two decades."

 

[Gralin]

Can you back this up with any sort of evidence?

Terrifying state of Britain: Almost THIRD of country's Muslims have positive view of Hamas

New polling has revealed 15 per cent of 1,000 British Muslims view Hamas as 'very positive'

www.gbnews.com

"A new poll has found that almost a third of British Muslims think it would be "desirable" to implement Sharia Law within the next two decades."

So over two thirds of Muslims don't want to do this

 

[evolved2]

Ok, but we're not a muslim nation, nor is any other liberal democracy with muslim immigrants.

So again, your fear of islamic armegeddon is unfounded.

I'm not talking about Armageddon.

I DO NOT WANT more examples of sexist religion here than the number I see daily in Melbourne! It's disgusting.

 

[CM86]

There are 13 nations that punish atheism by death - all are Muslim.

I'm done with this argument, mate.

Of those 13 countries, from you 2013 article, how many have done it in the last few decades?

How many are the countries where most of the humanitarian intake is coming from?

And how many just still technically have an archaic law that still exists, but isn't ever implemented?

Leaving Islam and thus becoming an apostate is traditionally punished by death for men and by life imprisonment for women.
The death penalty for apostasy is apparent in a range of Islamic states, including Iran, Egypt, Pakistan, Somalia, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Yemen and Saudi Arabia.​

Although there have been no recently reported executions in Saudi Arabia, a judge in Saudi Arabia has recently recommended that imprisoned blogger Raif Badawi go before a high court on a charge of apostasy, which would carry the death penalty upon conviction. (Badawi is still alive and is a free)​

While a death sentence is rare, it is common for atheists to be charged with blasphemy or inciting hatred. New "Arab Spring" regimes in Tunisia and Egypt have jailed several outspoken atheists.​

So while the statement of "13 nations that punish atheism by death" is very impactful and can give the impression that you could be KOS just for being an atheist...
It isn't true.

But it does help to promote fear, hatred and sense of impossibility for integration.

 

[Chief]

Is this rhyming slang for evolved is a shit troll?

He is the average of all shit trolls.

 

[evolved2]

So over two thirds of Muslims don't want to do this

That's not how it works. How many were undecided?

 

[evolved2]

He is the average of all shit trolls.

Time to make me a mod!

 

[10571z]

So over two thirds of Muslims don't want to do this

Yep that's how thirds work.

 

[CM86]

I suspect the average MAGA voter has more progressive views towards the LGBT than the average Muslim.

Thoughts?

The average Aussie Muslim? Or the average Houthi?

The average Aussie Muslim in my experience has more progressive views towards the LGBTQ.




What about you?
Do you think the average Aussie Muslim has more in common with you and I? Or with the Houthis?

 

[evolved2]

The average Aussie Muslim? Or the average Houthi?

The average Aussie Muslim in my experience has more progressive views towards the LGBTQ.




What about you?
Do you think the average Aussie Muslim has more in common with you and I? Or with the Houthis?

Compare the average Aussie Muslim to the average Aussie non-Muslim.

Which one has more progressive views?

 

[CM86]

Compare the average Aussie Muslim to the average Aussie non-Muslim.

Which one has more progressive views?

I'd say the average Aussie non-Muslim, generally.

Isn't it so strange how I'm able to answer questions, and engage.
But I'm wrong and don't know anything about this.

Wacky!

 

[Chief]

I love that he thinks these are real questions.

 

[evolved2]

I'd say the average Aussie non-Muslim, generally.

Isn't it so strange how I'm able to answer questions, and engage.
But I'm wrong and don't know anything about this.

Wacky!

Being wrong is a prerequisite to posting on the SRP.

 

[Gralin]

That's not how it works. How many were undecided?

The article doesn't say funnily enough

Yep that's how thirds work.

Yes and saying over two thirds of Muslims don't want Sharia Law would give the headline a very different tone wouldn't it

 

[CM86]

I read your whole post.

You're assuming bigotry / racism instead of unwarranted fear. You can't get past this.

I'll leave it there.

Nah don't leave it there.

You answer it.

Go ahead and explain the "weird unwarranted fear that islamic / muslim immigration is somehow going to change our way of life from what is undeniably liberal and free to oppressive i:e sharia law in, liberal democracy out.

Could you please explain how this is going to happen, when (in my mind at least) muslims migrating here are seeking a better life and attempting to escape what they've come from. Probably 99.99999999% of them.".


Because I've given you an explanation as to why you and others can't answer it.

So you answer it. You know no one else will.

Actually spend some time thinking about something for a while and try and come up with an answer. It'll do you the world of good.