Society/Culture Why I blame Islam for the fact it's raining today.... part 2

[Chief]

Reminder: This isn't the Israel/Hamas thread. Go to the Israel/Hamas thread if you want to talk about that. Thanks.

Mid East - Israel declare war after Hamas attack II

Part I: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/israel-declare-war-after-hamas-attack.1371828/page-47#post-81443295 Thread Rules: Alright. I recognise that this is a fraught topic for any number of you posting here. Some of you will have family in Israel or Palestine. Some of you will have...

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From this point if you're going to make a connection between Islam and the crime rate, you need to demonstrate causation in your post. If you do not, I'm going to infract you for the inherent racism in the position you're taking.

 

[ElectricG]

What Australian community are you talking about?

You know me, you know my positions.
I know you, and I know your positions.

So for us, can you specifically identify the community that actively wants to kill Jews, in Australia.

What do you mean by “actively”? Are you about to try and get into a discussion about “people who want and are willing to kill Jews” and “people who want all Jews to get killed” as if the latter isn’t still a really bad thing?

 

[bzparkes]

If someone in a McDonalds uniform stated that they supported the 'no' vote on The Voice, or Gay Marriage, should they be fired?

Please tell me you're not equating death threats to how someone votes in a public referendum.

If a Macca's employee said they'd 'send them their maker' every indigenous person who entered the store, as well as saying they'd refuse them service, they'd be immediately fired.

Threatening targeted violence towards an ethnic group on social media, whilst wearing a full uniform of your employer, would get you instantly dismissed from any employer in the country.

Holding private, personal opinions on how you vote is irrelevant and any form of disciplinary action because of it is discrimination and would be punished by a court of law.

These people can hate Jews/Israel as much as they want, they wouldn't be punished for it if they simply kept it to themselves.

 

[bzparkes]

Its a legal thing, whether it be right or wrong.
You can try your utmost to kill someone, but you only get charged with murder if you succeed.

Umm, not to be pedantic but you get charged with conspiracy to murder/attempted murder if it's unsuccessful, so it's still a crime.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Umm, not to be pedantic but you get charged with conspiracy to murder/attempted murder if it's unsuccessful, so it's still a crime.

Still a crime , but not the same crime. Threatened crime is probably less again if you didn't actually try.
Is there such a thing as attmepted theft?
Attempted assaut?
( there might be i'm no lawyer, but it lessens the crime ).

 

[bzparkes]

Still a crime , but not the same crime. Threatened crime is probably less again if you didn't actually try.
Is there such a thing as attmepted theft?
Attempted assaut?
( there might be i'm no lawyer, but it lessens the crime ).

Nor sure but depending on the severity, I presume you could be charged under conspiracy to commit, if the crime was big enough.

 

[sr36]

They claim that they want to, and would, kill Israelis/Jews.

Do you think wanting Jews dead is a fringe view in communities which practice Islam?

The biggest Islamic communities are in Indonesia, Pakistan, India and Bangladesh. Do you really think Jews are a high priority in those communities?

 

[ElectricG]

The biggest Islamic communities are in Indonesia, Pakistan, India and Bangladesh. Do you really think Jews are a high priority in those communities?

I think there would be a vicious hatred for Jews among those populations yes

 

[sr36]

I think there would be a vicious hatred for Jews among those populations yes

Based on?

 

[CM86]

What do you mean by “actively”? Are you about to try and get into a discussion about “people who want and are willing to kill Jews” and “people who want all Jews to get killed” as if the latter isn’t still a really bad thing?

You're not one of those other posters... You know that I'd be clear with my belief, right?

Or, do you genuinely want me to specifically state my position, in a way that I don't ask of you?

 

[10571z]

Horrible video, not surprised though.

Should be deported, no place in Australia for people like that.

 

[ZEV]

Horrible video, not surprised though.

Should be deported, no place in Australia for people like that.

They are Australian citizens

 

[carltonchelsea]

I would be very interested in seeing you back up your wild claim that the Catholic Church has: gang r*ped more children than Islamic men in England across the past 30-40 years. Please provide sources for that claim.

For the record, I am not a "Tommy Robinson" supporter and have actually never seen anything he's produced. I was referring to the accounts shared by UK politicians and victims regarding this systematic abuse, and the UKs refusal to prosecute the perpatrators.

I find your position on these issues quite sick. You are willing to sacrifice clear morality at the altar of your progressiveness, to the extent you are morally baseless. Rest assured Jack. If there is anything I am opposed to you on, I know that I am on the right side of history.

Your math ain’t mathing friend.
The Muslims would need another 100-200 years to catch up with the micks.
Catholicism is the king of child rape, and don’t you forget it, the educated won’t!

 

[bzparkes]

Your math ain’t mathing friend.
The Muslims would need another 100-200 years to catch up with the micks.
Catholicism is the king of child rape, and don’t you forget it, the educated won’t!

Is this sarcasm? Or are you talking about England specifically?

 

[CM86]

Is this sarcasm? Or are you talking about England specifically?

It's insane how obvious you are.

You don't care about the victims, you only care about the weaponisation of the scum that harmed the victims.

 

[ElectricG]

Based on?

Same reason you probably have an association between Christianity and homophobia without necessarily having done a survey.

You're not one of those other posters... You know that I'd be clear with my belief, right?

Or, do you genuinely want me to specifically state my position, in a way that I don't ask of you?

Genuinely just trying to understand the thrust of your question. I think hating Jews/Israelis is fairly commonplace among Muslim populations. I hope that answers it.

 

[CM86]

Cool, glad we agree, however I've seen you running defense for these types before and trying to lump in death threats with a Martin Niemöller quote was truly pathetic.

Unless you were being sarcastic, of course.

If I missed that, then I apologise.

Please quote the post!


This one that you laughed at?
The indented posts, about AlphaBrain supplements?
It could be 'sarcasm'. But I'll let you noodle it out.
Also, if you can't noodle it out... I have a discount code for brain supplements that could help you...


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Please tell me you're not equating death threats to how someone votes in a public referendum.

If a Macca's employee said they'd 'send them their maker' every indigenous person who entered the store, as well as saying they'd refuse them service, they'd be immediately fired.

Threatening targeted violence towards an ethnic group on social media, whilst wearing a full uniform of your employer, would get you instantly dismissed from any employer in the country.

Holding private, personal opinions on how you vote is irrelevant and any form of disciplinary action because of it is discrimination and would be punished by a court of law.

These people can hate Jews/Israel as much as they want, they wouldn't be punished for it if they simply kept it to themselves.

Less questions, more answers.

 

[CM86]

Same reason you probably have an association between Christianity and homophobia without necessarily having done a survey.

Genuinely just trying to understand the thrust of your question. I think hating Jews/Israelis is fairly commonplace among Muslim populations. I hope that answers it.

Anyone who actively hates Jews in Australia, is a racist piece of shit. Any actions they take that reflect that, from messaging to harm, should cause them to be punished in the most extreme extents we have available.


Do you think the average Muslim in Australia wants to kill Jews???
Do you actually think that?
Or... do you know that extremists countries have that position, and that many Muslims are fleeing those extremist areas, and we are attempting to deny them refuge, because 'arab'?

 

[sr36]

Same reason you probably have an association between Christianity and homophobia without necessarily having done a survey.

What? Pretty presumptive statement based on nothing.

But sounds like you're Christian. Can't believe you guys are invading and killing those other Christians in the Ukraine. You must really hate Christians.

 

[CM86]

The neo-Nazis marching the streets of Melb, or assembling and assaulting people in the Grampians... Is that more or less than two?

Just to help me get an idea of what we should be concerned about and active against, and what we should pretend isn't an issue...


https://www.theguardian.com/austral...s-as-they-fled-victorian-mountain-court-hears

Hikers ‘terrified’ by neo-Nazis who allegedly smashed car windows as they fled​

A man has described his fear after coming face to face with a group of alleged neo-Nazis on a Victorian mountain.​

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Thomas Sewell and Jacob Hersant were allegedly among a group who confronted several hikers in the Cathedral Ranges state park, north-east of Melbourne​

Good news, they were released for good behaviour.
Also I think that was while they were also in court for assaulting a black man, and using racial slurs.


Anyway. Islam, go ahead.

 

[ElectricG]

Do you think the average Muslim in Australia wants to kill Jews???
Do you actually think that?

I think wanting them dead (in contrast to being willing to go and do it themselves) is commonplace.

 

[CM86]

I think wanting them dead (in contrast to being willing to go and do it themselves) is commonplace.

I'll ask again.

Do you think the average Muslim in Australia wants to kill Jews???

And then also ask... Do you think the average Australian Muslim has more in common with you and I, or more in common with Hamas?

And this is kind of a trick question, because there is only one answer.

 

[bzparkes]

What? Pretty presumptive statement based on nothing.

But sounds like you're Christian. Can't believe you guys are invading and killing those other Christians in the Ukraine. You must really hate Christians.

Here's some homework for you:

How many of the top 30 terrorist organisations in the world are Islamic and how many of them have their stated goal as the complete destruction of Israel and eradication of the Jewish people?

Next, tell us the Jewish populations in Arab nations before the Arab-Israeli war in 1948 compared to after Israel won. Bear in mind, those people were native to those Arab nations, not people of Israel.

Then try rationalising to us why you think it's a 'presumptive' statement.

Nobody's suggesting they represent the opinions of all Muslims but it's naive to think there aren't a lot who do think this way.

It's not like the ones who do think that way are particularly secretive, as evidenced by 2 NSW health workers openly saying it on a live stream, while wearing their uniform.

Nobody's buying it was a 'joke'...

 

[sr36]

For the record, I am not a "Tommy Robinson" supporter and have actually never seen anything he's produced. I was referring to the accounts shared by UK politicians and victims regarding this systematic abuse, and the UKs refusal to prosecute the perpatrators.

You might want to look a bit further into this. The cases in question are quite old. There were prosecutions. There was an inquiry. The Tory's who are now demanding an inquiry received the inquiry report with a heap of recommendations when they were in government and took zero action on the recommendations of the inquiry. Yet they're now asking for a new inquiry because a very wealthy, very odd, conspiracy theorist is talking shite on his social media platform. The whole thing is just bizarre.

 

[ElectricG]

I'll ask again.



And then also ask... Do you think the average Australian Muslim has more in common with you and I, or more in common with Hamas?

And this is kind of a trick question, because there is only one answer.

I think it is a trick question as you are trying to get me to stumble on support vs willing to do.

I think the average Australian Muslim would not be a risk of committing terrorism, but would probably be sympathetic to Hamas if you quizzed them on their views.

Do you think sympathy towards Hamas would be a fringe view amongst Australian Muslims?

 

[CM86]

You might want to look a bit further into this. The cases in question are quite old. There were prosecutions. There was an inquiry. The Tory's who are now demanding an inquiry received the inquiry report with a heap of recommendations when they were in government and took zero action on the recommendations of the inquiry. Yet they're now asking for a new inquiry because a very wealthy, very odd, conspiracy theorist is talking shite on his social media platform. The whole thing is just bizarre.

Anyone still pushing that Yaxley-Yarden bs Is just hopeful of defending the majority criminals and preventing the actual victims from being saved and receiving justive.