Why is being a one club player so important

[Cap]

I've always wondered why people still dream about this 1 club player business, I understand that it has to do with loyalty etc and is a honorable thing to want but, lets face facts you might want to be a 1 club player but if you have a bad season or two the club is threatening to trade you or de-list you and the fans are on your back,
but when the team is going crap and you want to leave you get the whole loyalty thing from the club and fans.
I’d say the only loyalty in football is if your playing well your wanted and/or if there is no one at the club to replace you the club is fiercely loyal,

Which usually goes hand in hand with comments "repay the faith that the club had in drafting you"

haven’t they repaid the faith by simply playing ?

(sorry writing that from football player prospective which i am indeed not)

just thought I’d see what people thought

 

[tribey]

I have no problem with lads like Laurence Angwin, Kane Johnson, Tom Gilligan and co going home - as long as we get something for them when they do, and they gave their all while they were here.

 

[Stiffy_18]

I agree. Supporters are a fickle lot and always see it with one eye. I few people kicked up a stink when Kane Johnson was leaving and while I wanted him to stay I wasn't crossed at all because we were fairly compensated for a player of that calibre. Now I never heard any of those supporters kicking up a stink when we got Darren Jarman because he wanted to come home.

I have no problem with players leaving after a certain time as long as we get a fair compensation for them. Football is business these days and since club is not loyal to players why do players have to be loyal to clubs??????

 

[Tyson20]

i dont think being a one club player is important, it comes down to personal preference i guess. for some players, money is important, for others, family is important and for others again loyalty, passion for your club etc. is important. for what its worth i think the players have too much "down" time, and hence have time to worry about all the crap outside of footy. hence they start "missing" their family, their fish or their dog.

i just think wanting to go home because of "family reasons" (other than if a family member is ill, dying/died etc) is a feeble excuse. My opinion of course.

clubs get put into lose/lose situations when it comes to some of the players wanting to go home to mummy and daddy, and no doubt it will happen this year with Stinger. It happened last year with the PAPS in that what collingwood offered was terrible, and Port rightly knocked it back, preferring to get nothing to try and send a message to players that if they want to go home, thats fine, but only if its fair.

im all for clubs playing hard ball, just like players can play hardball if a club wants to trade them to another club. players dont have to agree to the trade.

if a player is drafted to an interstate club, and after a year or two still hasnt settled in, then im all four the club trying hard to get him back to his home state. but after year 3 or 4, surely the player is settled, and can handle seeing his parents/family during the season breaks etc.

maybe im being too hard...

btw Stiffy, footy IS a fickle game...but wanting a player to stay at your club is hardly fickle. if its a genuine reason then fine, but most of the time "wanting to go home" is a p!$$ weak excuse. they may as well say they dont wanna play for the club anymore, coz its effectively what it means.

fickle is wanting to trade one of our clubs greatest ever players...the fact that people have even considered this, i find to be incomprehensible. McLeod should not, and will not be traded. Macca running at 75% is still contributing to a side, full of inexperience. does he have an attitude problem? do we know this for sure? questions for the AFC to find out, but if he wants to continue to play for the AFC, then in my mind he stays!

 

[Mad Dog]

The percentage of players staying at 1 club will reduce over time. Loyalty to one club will become a thing of the past. There has been a view that SA clubs for instance should draft the local lad in preference to a similarly credentialed "inter-stater" so we have a chance of holding on to them....but really - an inter-stater in the hand can be worth at least one local lad in the bush so to speak.
Vic clubs etc will always look at our talent and take them - so we need to make sure we dont fall for the 2 card trick and be obsessed with drafting locally. We need those bargaining chips so that when a Jarman wants to come back - we always have a Johnson to offer (an an example).
Players these days also seem less "devastated" at going to play for a crap team in Vic (eg Cooney)...because they know that eventually the laws of supply and demand will see them traded back home as a Vic also gets homesick. Do you think for 1 minute he plans on being a 10 year Bulldog player?
Classic example was Buckley to the Bears - then to Collingwood - he said - you've got me for a year and then I'm off (still makes me giggle - sap)
So with up to a fifth of lists turned over each year - a low percentage of players ever making 200 games - and throw in a national draft - loyalty is a cosy thing to contemplate - but in reality fast fading.

 

[Stiffy_18]

btw Stiffy, footy IS a fickle game...but wanting a player to stay at your club is hardly fickle. if its a genuine reason then fine, but most of the time "wanting to go home" is a p!$$ weak excuse. they may as well say they dont wanna play for the club anymore, coz its effectively what it means.

Thats their choice to make and they are entitled to it. SO tell me have you worked in 1 company all your life??????

If a player has a bad year or 2 supporters would be all happy to trade him but if he wants to start a fresh then he is mummy's boy. Stinks of double standards IMHO. No supporter kicks up a stink when a club delists a player but they kick up a stink when a player wants to leave.

For example if an undergraduate accepts a work offer in Sydney for 3 years and then returns to Adelaide, is that considered being a mummy's boy?????? Of course not.

As I said I have absolutely no problems with players wanting to move back home after a few years at a club as long as you get fair compensation for him and history will say that majority of time a fair deal gets done. The Nick Stevens situation occurs once every blue moon.

 

[Tyson20]

Thats their choice to make and they are entitled to it. SO tell me have you worked in 1 company all your life??????

i have actually... will i stay?? dont know, but i know i wont leave to be closer to mummy and daddy!

If a player has a bad year or 2 supporters would be all happy to trade him but if he wants to start a fresh then he is mummy's boy. Stinks of double standards IMHO. No supporter kicks up a stink when a club delists a player but they kick up a stink when a player wants to leave.

why is there a need to start a fresh?? i would have thought that, for example, Stinger and Stevens are/were doing fine where they are?!?!

every player has one bad year, and supporters calling for players heads after one year are idiotic, not fickle.

For example if an undergraduate accepts a work offer in Sydney for 3 years and then returns to Adelaide, is that considered being a mummy's boy?????? Of course not.

depends what their reasons are i would have thought. if they're returning to be close to family, then yeah they are

As I said I have absolutely no problems with players wanting to move back home after a few years at a club as long as you get fair compensation for him and history will say that majority of time a fair deal gets done. The Nick Stevens situation occurs once every blue moon.

and a club shouldnt be chastised for not laying down if it isnt happy with what they're being offered.

 

[macca23]

The percentage of players staying at 1 club will reduce over time. Loyalty to one club will become a thing of the past. There has been a view that SA clubs for instance should draft the local lad in preference to a similarly credentialed "inter-stater" so we have a chance of holding on to them....but really - an inter-stater in the hand can be worth at least one local lad in the bush so to speak.
Vic clubs etc will always look at our talent and take them - so we need to make sure we dont fall for the 2 card trick and be obsessed with drafting locally. We need those bargaining chips so that when a Jarman wants to come back - we always have a Johnson to offer (an an example).
Players these days also seem less "devastated" at going to play for a crap team in Vic (eg Cooney)...because they know that eventually the laws of supply and demand will see them traded back home as a Vic also gets homesick. Do you think for 1 minute he plans on being a 10 year Bulldog player?
Classic example was Buckley to the Bears - then to Collingwood - he said - you've got me for a year and then I'm off (still makes me giggle - sap)
So with up to a fifth of lists turned over each year - a low percentage of players ever making 200 games - and throw in a national draft - loyalty is a cosy thing to contemplate - but in reality fast fading.

Good thinking post, and there's no doubt that there has been an increase in recent years in player movement back to their home state, and that it's more likely to increase than decrease.

As Stiffy also said, supporters have no hesitation on calling for players to be delisted or traded to clubs in other states, but squeal like the unfortunates tied to a tree in "Deliverance" when a player has the audacity to initiate the movement to another club.

 

[NikkiNoo]

I used to think it was ok if a player wanted to go back home after spending a couple of years away for 'famiy reasons' but my current experience makes me think that some of these players like to be treated like gods and if it doesn't go their way well they want to go home for a good cry (I am not saying all of them just some are like this). If they have given there all then I am ok with it BUT they are paid a very good wage and are supported by their clubs to quite an extent - find them jobs, look into and assist them in further education and also provide professional help if they have any problems.

So should we feel sorry for them that they are one state away from their friends and family? That the clubs provide tickets for the family members to attend games in their home state and also provide tickets for family members to attend any game? They can see them fairly regularily. I don't think we should feel sorry for them at all.

just my opinion as I am someone who is on the other side of the world from their family.

 

[Crow-mosone]

It's a business, and they gotta take care of theirs.
because some of them are so immature, they fail to understand their end of the bargain and end up with nothing - i.e. Angwin.

The club is doing them no favours by drafting them, it expects to be repaid handsomely. No one gets selected for reasons other than ability. The player then gets out what he puts in.

it seems at times, some guys don't want to do the work, and then blame the club before crying they want to go home.