Why the AFL is a joke...

[Father Jack]

its that sort of attitude that stopped the game becoming national 100 years ago, the dopey Vics insisted on calling it "Victorian Rules' which for some reason pierced off the northerners. Footy has a long tradition in Qld. The 'go home' factor did work against the bears/lions and thus there was an attempt to rectify it. I still am not sure how sydney didnt deserve their flag. apart from the hold on sampi ...

 

[GoldenSky]

Me thinks that we are pretty passionate about our AFL up here in Syd.

Well me thinks ( ) that you need to pull your head out of your arse and realise that you DONT represent the entire populations of NSW and QLD.

AFL to Sydneysiders is like NRL to Melbournians. Why cant you AFL supporters see that?? Just because Sydney has won a premiership, or that you hear about AFL support in the Northern states, does NOT mean that AFL is taking over the NRL.

The majority of supporters are bandwagon supporters. (Majority, not ALL ). Just like Melbournians would take a greater interest if the Storm were dominating the NRL.

Continuing to 'expand' the game in Northern states, only for those sides to fall away in a few years and audiences and crowds drop, is only going to kill the game in the heartlands.

How much longer do you think Melbourne sides can go on not winning the premiership before it does damage to the sport in Victoria??

 

[Grimreepah]

Just because Sydney has won a premiership, or that you hear about AFL support in the Northern states, does NOT mean that AFL is taking over the NRL.

It doesn't have to take over NRL to be popular you realise.

 

[GoldenSky]

It doesn't have to take over NRL to be popular you realise.

Popular in what way? Not with the majority of the population. Just because you see a crowd of supporters at the SCG made up of ex-Victorians and a few die-hard Swans fans, doesnt not mean NSW is footy-mad.

 

[Grimreepah]

Popular in what way? Not with the majority of the population. Just because you see a crowd of supporters at the SCG made up of ex-Victorians and a few die-hard Swans fans, doesnt not mean NSW is footy-mad.

So what? Why does the whole State have to be footy mad for them to be deserving of a team in the competition?

Is WA cricket mad? Maybe we should take away their cricket team.

 

[Adnar30]

In fact, I think it's fair to use the analogy of an newly created Adelaide or Perth based NRL club winning their competition's flag, since do you think anyone, apart from a few delusional supporters, would give a damn one iota? .

Oh you mean like the Melbourne Storm?

The AFL, if it ever truly wants to become 'spiritually whole' again, must remove itself from the shores of Queensland and NSW (For this journey, if it is to succeed, will take several decades at least), reduce club numbers to 12 (thereby eliminating the financially draining Kangaroos and Western Bulldogs as well.

And Carlton?

 

[Wojee]

Why the AFL is a joke?

 

[Scotland]

Good thread, but some dreadful posts.

The AFL as a sporting competition is beyond a joke. Soon there'll be that many guarantees worked into the draw it will stay constant from year to year and there won't be any element of chance whatsoever.

 

[GoldenSky]

So what? Why does the whole State have to be footy mad for them to be deserving of a team in the competition?

Is WA cricket mad? Maybe we should take away their cricket team.

I didnt say they dont deserve a team. But the constant hand-outs and protection to these two teams is OTT.

Is WA cricket mad? I dont know; as much as the rest of the country? Cant think of another summer sport here.

 

[Vipertooth]

The AFL as a complete and utter farce as a competition and sport when Brisbane and Sydney, clubs based in states that couldn't give a stuff about the game, are able, no, handed 4 premierships of the past 5 years.

We have seen them receive huge salary cap concessions, Victorian based clubs selling home games to them, absurd and unforgivable Tribunal results fall into their favour (yes, I am looking at you B. Hall!), and them pose as a literal drain on the financial system all for the aim to 'expand the game' and make it 'a truly national competition'.

Now we have to painfully bare witness to Sydney's utterly boring and misguided game style that basically chokes play, removes contests, slows game speed to an abhorrent level, and literally makes negating players look like champions, and eventually endure whinges and sympathise with Brisbane once they finally hit rock bottom and begin to complain how we took away their blatantly unfair salary cap advantages in an attempt to balance the competition.

I mean, who actually cared when Brisbane or Sydney won their flags? The general consensus would have been one of 'Meh', accompanied by a casual shrug of the shoulders, which would have been in direct contrast to the AFL administration sitting back gleefully knowing their mission of crusading into foreign territory to steal more money from the unsuspecting sporting commoner was proceeding well.

In fact, I think it's fair to use the analogy of an newly created Adelaide or Perth based NRL club winning their competition's flag, since do you think anyone, apart from a few delusional supporters, would give a damn one iota? Well, it's the same with these imposters known as the Brisbane Lions and Sydney Swans winning premierships; stealing the glory of footy away from its Southern and Western heartlands, and turning it into a symbol of money and corporate expansionism.

The AFL, if it ever truly wants to become 'spiritually whole' again, must remove itself from the shores of Queensland and NSW (For this journey, if it is to succeed, will take several decades at least), reduce club numbers to 12 (thereby eliminating the financially draining Kangaroos and Western Bulldogs as well), create an even and balanced 24-round competition, and restore footy to the 'real' states; namely Victoria, South Australia, and Western Australia.
It was a joke to ever invest in a rugby-dominated market, and will always be a comical joke while the AFL, under the tyrant Demetriou, continues to drag the spirit of the game into a desolate mire with the elusive aim of creating a 'national competition'.

YOU ****ING ****ER, SHUT THE **** UP!!!

Sorry about that but this hit me pretty hard I mean wtf does this person know what they are talking about?

There are lots of people supporting these 2 great teams and wtf u on about lions were given the 3 grand finals, i mean wtf they worked hard and had an awsome list, the players cut back on their earnings to keep the team together, you dont know anything. YOU FAIL!!!

GO LIONS

Damn idiot!

 

[Sir_Adrian84]

Well me thinks ( ) that you need to pull your head out of your arse and realise that you DONT represent the entire populations of NSW and QLD.

AFL to Sydneysiders is like NRL to Melbournians. Why cant you AFL supporters see that?? Just because Sydney has won a premiership, or that you hear about AFL support in the Northern states, does NOT mean that AFL is taking over the NRL.

The majority of supporters are bandwagon supporters. (Majority, not ALL ). Just like Melbournians would take a greater interest if the Storm were dominating the NRL.

Continuing to 'expand' the game in Northern states, only for those sides to fall away in a few years and audiences and crowds drop, is only going to kill the game in the heartlands.

How much longer do you think Melbourne sides can go on not winning the premiership before it does damage to the sport in Victoria??

if that is the case bring in a "keep off the grass" arrangement whereby the AFL and NRL agree to not go on each other's turf.

All players in NT, VIC, TAS, WA, Riverina NSW and SA play AFL and people in NSW (excluding Riverina)/Western Sydney and QLD (excluding SEQ) play league

NZ and ACT play union
SEQ is for either sport

ANd eveyone can play soccer, basketball and cricket

7 get AFL, 9 get NRL and 10 get Union

Within about 10 years of this beginning, every code will be dead, which is good if you like cricket, b/ball and soccer

 

[Vipertooth]

I hate soccer, most boring sport in the world!

AFL is the most entertaining sport in the world

YAY

GO AFL

GO LIONS

 

[SA Blue]

Disgraceful post and we shouldn't lump Carlton supporters in with this clown. I think we would all agree the game is better for having some of the following players.


B: Andrew Raines (Richmond/Queensland), Mal Michael (Brisbane Lions/Queensland), Leo Barry (Sydney/NSW)
HB: Patrick Bowden (Richmond/Northern Territory), Joel Bowden (Richmond/Northern Territory), Andrew McLeod (Adelaide/Northern Territory)

C: Justin Sherman (Brisbane Lions/Tasmania), Lenny Hayes (St Kilda/New South Wales), Brad Green (Melbourne/Tasmania)
HF: Nathan Buckley (Collingwood/Northern Territory), Nick Riewoldt (St Kilda/Queensland), Aaron Davey (Melbourne/Northern Territory)
F: Russell Robertson (Melbourne/Tasmania), Matthew Richardson (Richmond/Tasmania), Trent Hentschel (Adelaide/Northern Territory)

FOLL: Jamie Charman (Brisbane Lions/Queensland), Brett Kirk (Sydney/NSW), Daniel Cross (Western Bulldogs/NSW)
I/C: Michael Voss (Brisbane Lions/Queensland), Adam Schneider (Sydney/NSW), Jason Akermanis (Brisbane Lions/Queensland), Peter Street (Western Bulldogs/Tasmania)
EMG: Shane Crawford (Hawthorn/NSW), Craig Bolton (Sydney/ACT), Brady Rawlings (Kangaroos/Tasmania)

From the AFL site.

 

[Vipertooth]

Disgraceful post and we shouldn't lump Carlton supporters in with this clown. I think we would all agree the game is better for having some of the following players.


B: Andrew Raines (Richmond/Queensland), Mal Michael (Brisbane Lions/Queensland), Leo Barry (Sydney/NSW)
HB: Patrick Bowden (Richmond/Northern Territory), Joel Bowden (Richmond/Northern Territory), Andrew McLeod (Adelaide/Northern Territory)

C: Justin Sherman (Brisbane Lions/Tasmania), Lenny Hayes (St Kilda/New South Wales), Brad Green (Melbourne/Tasmania)
HF: Nathan Buckley (Collingwood/Northern Territory), Nick Riewoldt (St Kilda/Queensland), Aaron Davey (Melbourne/Northern Territory)
F: Russell Robertson (Melbourne/Tasmania), Matthew Richardson (Richmond/Tasmania), Trent Hentschel (Adelaide/Northern Territory)

FOLL: Jamie Charman (Brisbane Lions/Queensland), Brett Kirk (Sydney/NSW), Daniel Cross (Western Bulldogs/NSW)
I/C: Michael Voss (Brisbane Lions/Queensland), Adam Schneider (Sydney/NSW), Jason Akermanis (Brisbane Lions/Queensland), Peter Street (Western Bulldogs/Tasmania)
EMG: Shane Crawford (Hawthorn/NSW), Craig Bolton (Sydney/ACT), Brady Rawlings (Kangaroos/Tasmania)

From the AFL site.

I like that team! SHERMAN is in there YAY fellow tassie here

 

[Hollow Knight]

So how many trips interstate does Carlton have every year?

In other words, stop acting like the league would be perfectly fair and equitable were it not for Brisbane and Sydney's salary caps.

 

[GoldenSky]

Disgraceful post and we shouldn't lump Carlton supporters in with this clown. I think we would all agree the game is better for having some of the following players.


B: Andrew Raines (Richmond/Queensland), Mal Michael (Brisbane Lions/Queensland), Leo Barry (Sydney/NSW)
HB: Patrick Bowden (Richmond/Northern Territory), Joel Bowden (Richmond/Northern Territory), Andrew McLeod (Adelaide/Northern Territory)

C: Justin Sherman (Brisbane Lions/Tasmania), Lenny Hayes (St Kilda/New South Wales), Brad Green (Melbourne/Tasmania)
HF: Nathan Buckley (Collingwood/Northern Territory), Nick Riewoldt (St Kilda/Queensland), Aaron Davey (Melbourne/Northern Territory)
F: Russell Robertson (Melbourne/Tasmania), Matthew Richardson (Richmond/Tasmania), Trent Hentschel (Adelaide/Northern Territory)

FOLL: Jamie Charman (Brisbane Lions/Queensland), Brett Kirk (Sydney/NSW), Daniel Cross (Western Bulldogs/NSW)
I/C: Michael Voss (Brisbane Lions/Queensland), Adam Schneider (Sydney/NSW), Jason Akermanis (Brisbane Lions/Queensland), Peter Street (Western Bulldogs/Tasmania)
EMG: Shane Crawford (Hawthorn/NSW), Craig Bolton (Sydney/ACT), Brady Rawlings (Kangaroos/Tasmania)

From the AFL site.

We were discussing the Swans/ Lions football clubs. Not saying players from QLD/NSW cant play AFL at all.

 

[WalkerTexasRanger]

a Vic team will win a GF one day and a non-Vic team will win the wooden spoon - can't see it happening this decade tho.

Quick question: Were you following the Swans during the 80s and 90s?

But seriously, the Storm are the equivalent of the Swans (that is a financially propped up team of talented people from interstate). People from NSW/Qld understand that NRL will never suceed or prosper in Vic under an artificial club either - and GEE they are the odds on favourite to win this year - for the second time in their brief history.

I can't say the same for Bris/banites/anians/vegites though. From what I know of Queensland Footy is it is great for the game's development and Queenslanders with their particular parochialism (especially in sport) are great fans of most sports including footy. They have and will continue to produce some great talent.

Sydney on the other hand will be like a post apocalyptic wasteland for the AFL when the Swans inevitably lose form. The problem with the AFL's approach in Sydney is that the game will not prosper in a state under the banner of one club. Look at all the posters on here from Qld - they barrack for a multitude of AFL teams.

Channel Ten's annoyingly slanted and ridiculous approach to broadcasting Sydney AFL in NSW is pathetic. Victorians et al only have to witness this joke if they bother to watch Koshie (only partially likeable when compared to the death warmed up on Ch 9) on early morning tv - We in NSW and its colonies (ACT) have to suffer this crap daily.

Every Sydney supporter I know, has only followed the game for about 2-3 years. It is great that they can appreciate how wonderful our game is, but I wonder, will they still be there if Sydney are relegated to the position that Carlton are in now - and for an equally painful and prolonged period?

The best way the AFL can promote the game is to show it - and ensure that the media show it from a more balanced perspective. Bring on the anti-siphening laws and the prospect of all 8 games on free to air tv divided between 10 and 7 over each weekend.

There will always be the Man Utd type fans in every sport, who follow the favourite and then lose interest when the team doesn't win the premiership - it's as if they think its a bet that they must win and will share in the achievement of the winning team!

 

[WalkerTexasRanger]

Disgraceful post and we shouldn't lump Carlton supporters in with this clown. I think we would all agree the game is better for having some of the following players.


B: Andrew Raines (Richmond/Queensland), Mal Michael (Brisbane Lions/Queensland), Leo Barry (Sydney/NSW)
HB: Patrick Bowden (Richmond/Northern Territory), Joel Bowden (Richmond/Northern Territory), Andrew McLeod (Adelaide/Northern Territory)

C: Justin Sherman (Brisbane Lions/Tasmania), Lenny Hayes (St Kilda/New South Wales), Brad Green (Melbourne/Tasmania)
HF: Nathan Buckley (Collingwood/Northern Territory), Nick Riewoldt (St Kilda/Queensland), Aaron Davey (Melbourne/Northern Territory)
F: Russell Robertson (Melbourne/Tasmania), Matthew Richardson (Richmond/Tasmania), Trent Hentschel (Adelaide/Northern Territory)

FOLL: Jamie Charman (Brisbane Lions/Queensland), Brett Kirk (Sydney/NSW), Daniel Cross (Western Bulldogs/NSW)
I/C: Michael Voss (Brisbane Lions/Queensland), Adam Schneider (Sydney/NSW), Jason Akermanis (Brisbane Lions/Queensland), Peter Street (Western Bulldogs/Tasmania)
EMG: Shane Crawford (Hawthorn/NSW), Craig Bolton (Sydney/ACT), Brady Rawlings (Kangaroos/Tasmania)

From the AFL site.

Don't forget Hird Essendon/ACT; and Hamill Carlton/St Kilda/ACT

 

[celtic_pride]

Speaking of great Queensland figures to AFL footy, I hope all Lions fans turn up to the Gabba to watch them play St.Kilda as I believe (from all I've read and heard the past few weeks) that this will be the final time that Michael Voss will play for the Brisbane Lions.

 

[relapse]

So how many trips interstate does Carlton have every year?

In other words, stop acting like the league would be perfectly fair and equitable were it not for Brisbane and Sydney's salary caps.

Exactly you dont hear the original poster saying that its unfair that Carlton are getting handouts from the AFL and some other teams arent.

I am sick of the whole Brisbane got this and Sydney get this rubbish. Most of them that complain are from clubs getting handouts from the AFL. So I would assume that if Carlton win a flag soon they would have been given one from the AFL right ?

In a fair competition which apparently you want all clubs would get the same money from the AFL, its not the AFL's fault that "pigs @rse" Elliott still thought it was the 80s and blew all your money on the obselete Princess Park and then be dumb enough to think that they could encourage clubs to play home games there and charge them nearly double than it would for them to play home games at Telstra Dome. It was one of the most redicilous wastes of money I have ever seen with any AFL club.

 

[Tannin]

Telstra Dome. It was one of the most redicilous wastes of money I have ever seen with any AFL club.

Absolutely right, placement of the full stop aside. The whole Melbourne stadium idiocy is beyond me.

By abandoning Princess Park, Carlton abandoned a lot of their claim to an identity. Carlton are probably a strong enough club to survive that, long term, as are Collingwood, Essendon, maybe one or two others. But the marginal Melbourne clubs have no real identity now, and no real future: North, Footscray, maybe Hawthorn and St Kilda too.

 

[Copernicus]

Absolutely right, placement of the full stop aside. The whole Melbourne stadium idiocy is beyond me.

By abandoning Princess Park, Carlton abandoned a lot of their claim to an identity. Carlton are probably a strong enough club to survive that, long term, as are Collingwood, Essendon, maybe one or two others. But the marginal Melbourne clubs have no real identity now, and no real future: North, Footscray, maybe Hawthorn and St Kilda too.

I wouldn't include Hawthorn and St. Kilda in that list - they're both pretty strong at the moment and certainly not in the same precarious position as North and Footscray - nevermind that they're still selling games interstate. Melbourne would come in before either of Hawthorn or the Saints if you're talking about clubs with worries about their future.

I agree that stadium rationalisation has been a key in clubs losing their identity, however. It was a bit of an inevitability unfortunately.

 

[Snuka]

Well me thinks ( ) that you need to pull your head out of your arse and realise that you DONT represent the entire populations of NSW and QLD.

So while people from Northern states come on and tell you their opinions, you will just tell them that they don't count because they don't represent the entire population and then...

AFL to Sydneysiders is like NRL to Melbournians. Why cant you AFL supporters see that?? Just because Sydney has won a premiership, or that you hear about AFL support in the Northern states, does NOT mean that AFL is taking over the NRL.

...you go and try to tell Sydney people how they feel about Aussie Rules and their premiership win. Your are right, the game is not likely to take over as the position of number 1 sport from rugby league but it doesn't mean that it still can't be popular and therefore a success in NSW.

The majority of supporters are bandwagon supporters. (Majority, not ALL ). Just like Melbournians would take a greater interest if the Storm were dominating the NRL.

Continuing to 'expand' the game in Northern states, only for those sides to fall away in a few years and audiences and crowds drop, is only going to kill the game in the heartlands.

How much longer do you think Melbourne sides can go on not winning the premiership before it does damage to the sport in Victoria??

Hehe, thanks Condraction Man!...It's a little strange to suggest most supporters from North are bandwagoners but then say that the game would die if Melbourne sides don't win a premiership for a while...so wouldn't that then mean that the Melbourne supporters are jumping off their teams and therefore are 'bandwagoners' themselves.

 

[Snuka]

I didnt say they dont deserve a team. But the constant hand-outs and protection to these two teams is OTT.

Is WA cricket mad? I dont know; as much as the rest of the country? Cant think of another summer sport here.

And these constant hand-outs and protections are what? The salary cap concessions are gone next year, but if you know of more, then you should let us know.

 

[Snuka]

We were discussing the Swans/ Lions football clubs. Not saying players from QLD/NSW cant play AFL at all.

Actually the OP suggested that only WA, SA and Victoria should have sides in the AFL, so you better read it again and decide which points you agree with.