Will Collingwood regret drafting Thomas instead of Ellis?

[parrot]

Mick Malthouse told us that his shock decision to draft Thomas ahead of Ellis was based on drafting for “current team requirements” rather than talent, and that he wasn’t prepared to wait a year for his top draft pick to debut. Was this decision short-sighted?

 

[Richo83]

Who knows? Ellis is seen a a half-back kick merchant by some, so both players have their detractors. Ellis hasn't played a game yet, if I was a hawk fan, I'd be a little nervous about Ellis especially as Murphy and Thomas have had great seasons. I'm not sold on Ellis, still an iffy prospect. Don't get me wrong hawks fans, he has every chance of being a star but he hasn't played a game yet so no-one knows yet.

But Thomas isn't a mistake. Combine him with the good form of Pendlebury and the pies did alright.

 

[Hawkk]

Hopefully Ellis can ease himself into the game, but I'm not expecting much of him this year TBH (especially when you consider he was a bottom age player in the draft anyway, not withstanding his school commitments last year)

A little early to be calling it a mistake IMO.

 

[Hawkamania!]

Post this thread again in 2010.

 

[makethat2]

Mick Malthouse told us that his shock decision to draft Thomas ahead of Ellis was based on drafting for “current team requirements” rather than talent, and that he wasn’t prepared to wait a year for his top draft pick to debut. Was this decision short-sighted?

Perhaps you could get the Quoted words from Malthouse when he said he wasn't prepared to wait a year for a top draft pick to play. What a load of typical Parrot crap. Also maybe just wait till Ellis plays a game?

 

[Coin_Toss]

No. Thomas will be a very very good footballer.

 

[Richo83]

Hopefully Ellis can ease himself into the game, but I'm not expecting much of him this year TBH (especially when you consider he was a bottom age player in the draft anyway, not withstanding his school commitments last year)

A little early to be calling it a mistake IMO.

parrot's calling Thomas a mistake, not Ellis.

 

[Barry Zuckercorn]

Post this thread again in 2010.

Why dont you just "bump" it in 2010?

 

[bradrowe#32]

I'm happy with Thomas. I think he'll develop into a pretty good rover/forward. From what I've seen of Ellis, he is similar to Pendlebury, whose shown some promise.

 

[MinerBoy]

I don't think so. From all accounts Ellis will be a very good player and may be better than Thomas. However, Thomas will be an excellent player in his own right so I can't see why the Maggies would have any regrets.

 

[Stifler's mom]

No. Thomas will prove to be an inspired and courageous selection.
Carlton will keep paying for their massive blunder of Walker b4 mclean.

 

[dipper86]

Intresting that alot of posters on here said said that Ellis would not be able to put on the required weight to play Afl football and that he would be a risk

Ellis when drafted was 71kgs now his playing weight is 80kgs.

Thomas when drafted was 75kgs now his playing weight is also at 80kgs.


Ellis is coming along nicely, both should be very good players for the there respective clubs.

 

[Richo83]

Intresting that alot of posters on here said said that Ellis would not be able to put on the required weight to play Afl football and that he would be a risk

Ellis when drafted was 71kgs now his playing weight is 80kgs.

Thomas when drafted was 75kgs now his playing weight is also at 80kgs.


Ellis is coming along nicely, both should be very good players for the there respective clubs.

I think that was just nitpicking. People love to find some sort of issue they can say: "this could prevent him from becoming a star in the future" so if he does they can say I told you so and look smart.

I mean I've heard analysts say Selwood (Joel) doesn't get enough of the ball and if a HBF. Who knows but to me he runs pretty good in the middle. All that talk up there is conjecture. Murphy is too slow, Thomas is an outside player it's all talk.

 

[Ron]

Carlton will keep paying for their massive blunder of Walker b4 mclean.

Probably the biggest draft blunder of all time.
Should of just passed on that draft pick as Walker is about as useful as a sack of spuds.

 

[Astro_]

Probably the biggest draft blunder of all time.
Should of just passed on that draft pick as Walker is about as useful as a sack of spuds.

Luke Livingstone board

 

[lids2004roar]

Hopefully Ellis can ease himself into the game, but I'm not expecting much of him this year TBH (especially when you consider he was a bottom age player in the draft anyway, not withstanding his school commitments last year)

A little early to be calling it a mistake IMO.

LOL! Double standards.

When Tambling doesn't set the world on fire by his 2nd year you Hawthorn supporters call him a dud.

Post this thread again in 2010.

Double standards again.

Man you Hawk supporters really are pathetic

You should be expecting Ellis to win a brownlow this year or 90% of you guys will want him delisted

Bunch of hypocrites.

 

[Back Pocket Rocket]

LOL! Double standards.

When Tambling doesn't set the world on fire by his 2nd year you Hawthorn supporters call him a dud.




Double standards again.

Man you Hawk supporters really are pathetic

You should be expecting Ellis to win a brownlow this year or 90% of you guys will want him delisted

Bunch of hypocrites.

You are a knob

 

[parrot]

...When Tambling doesn't set the world on fire by his 2nd year you Hawthorn supporters call him a dud....

Tambling was a massive draft clanger, and that 6 goal bag V Tiges, just reminded you how bad a mistake that draft decision was. You'll be reminded repeatedly over the next 6 years or so. Better get used to it.

 

[andypie]

u tell us einstein.
wouldnt it be nice if both clubs were happy with what they got. and i reckon pendlbury at 5 will prove to be the pick of the 3 gippsland boys, though i dont profess to know about ellis like the genuises in here.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

Taking Thomas wasn't the reason we didn't draft Ellis - We felt we didn't need to draft Ellis, because we figured that he and Pendlebury were similar, and we judged that Thomas would give us something different, whereas Ellis and Pendlebury are relatively similar as players.

My thoughts on this are well known - I rated Ellis #1 overall in that draft, and still think he's going to be an excellent player. However, I also rated Scott Pendlebury at #3, and I can see how the combination of Thomas & Pendlebury is better than the combination of Ellis & Pendlebury.

 

[parrot]

Taking Thomas wasn't the reason we didn't draft Ellis - We felt we didn't need to draft Ellis, because we figured that he and Pendlebury were similar,...

I think you're trying to re-write history. The main reason was that Mick wanted someone who could play in their first year. This was stated on many many occasions after that draft choice. Almost everyone rated Ellis way ahead of Thomas in terms of raw talent. It wasn't even close.

 

[H2F]

I think you're trying to re-write history. The main reason was that Mick wanted someone who could play in their first year. This was stated on many many occasions after that draft choice. Almost everyone rated Ellis way ahead of Thomas in terms of raw talent. It wasn't even close.

Your the man Parrot...

 

[don vito of fitzroy]

Mick Malthouse told us that his shock decision to draft Thomas ahead of Ellis was based on drafting for “current team requirements” rather than talent, and that he wasn’t prepared to wait a year for his top draft pick to debut. Was this decision short-sighted?

Collingwood has a way of ruining draft picks or they may pick-up a few duds. If Thomas can maintain some good form, I doubt that Collingwood would have many regrets in drafting him.

 

[Furn]

Its always a lose-lose situation for the team with the higher pick in these comparisions.If Thomas turns out better then thats whats supposed to happen as he was the higher pick.If not its a called a huge mistake.With high picks you want a very good player.Chances are someone taken later will be better ,whether its the next pick or 2 rounds later.

 

[makethat2]

I think you're trying to re-write history. The main reason was that Mick wanted someone who could play in their first year. This was stated on many many occasions after that draft choice. Almost everyone rated Ellis way ahead of Thomas in terms of raw talent. It wasn't even close.

Not even close to the truth. I have asked for you to maybe supply just a snippit of the quotes when Malthouse said it. Surprisingly you can't find any. Also if he only drafts for some one to play immediantly why did he draft the youngest player in the draft(Reid) and draft a player who is not able to play this year due to a knee reco(Dawes).