Will Deledio be elite?

[want2spoodge_pettifer]

I'm not too sure yet, he looks great but he needs a few more ingredients and some time on the stove. Discuss.

 

[Drunken Wookie]

some people have already condemned him to mediocrity or to just being a 'good player' because of the judd comparisons and the fact he hasn't come on as quickly. he's still a vital part of our team as a 20 year old, give him 3 years experience, added fitness/bulk and a permenant midfield position and he'll be in the elite bracket winning us games off his own boot.

 

[Jisha]

I think he has every chance of being captain at Richmond one day. I have noticed a lot of improvement with him even over the course of the last 11 weeks of football..

 

[tigerT]

Hes taking that next step this season. Influencing games more and more and had some big double digit quarters.

 

[lids2004roar]

About 6 weeks ago it was looking unlikely, then he has taken a serious step forward not only in influencing matches single handedly (and consistently) but he is finally showing some balls with some courageous acts.

I was scared he might turn out soft but he is doing a few captain like things lately. When he adds tackling to his game he'll be the complete package, a package that is waiting to explode.

 

[emperor]

Yep

 

[J-Train]

No. Good, but not elite.

 

[CoggaRules]

No. Good, but not elite.

hold on we have an expert in our midst ladies and gentelmen. I even bet this poor deluded fool is thinking that Santa O'hopeless is going to be the next big thing, because of his skill in celebrating a goal too huh?

 

[davey_23]

Yes he will.
As soon as he has some support.

 

[Roger Dodger]

No player is elite until they have mastered every facet of the game. That includes kicking (on both feet) handballing (both hands) standing up in a tackle and dishing the ball off to a team mate, tackling (so that their opponent doesn't dish the ball off to a team mate), kicking accurately for goal, summing up a situation and executing how best their presence will benefit the team, very rarely turning the ball over, spoiling the ball when they are out of position in a contest and keeping their feet when the ball hits the deck.

Brett can tick most of these boxes. As Benny mentioned there is an issue with tackling but that can be leveled at the whole team, what's more, for the past ten or so years.

Elite insinuates a cut above the rest. So another component might be the ability to perform under pressure ie. a matchwinner. For our little immigrant eavesdropping from Carlton, Nathan Brown is elite.

 

[richoatthedisco]

deledio needs to win more of his own ball and be prepared to wear a few in the name of drawing opponents to free up teammates. at the moment he seems to dish handballs that allow him to avoid contact but put teammates under the pump.
that said, he has all the ingredients to be a star. at his age nathan buckley was yet to play an afl game (although he was winning a margarey medal).
he might look like him but u can't crucify dildo (much better nickname than lids) because he's not judd. no one is. and dildo's a better kick and mark.
but would somebody PLEASE work on his goalkicking. it's woeful for a player with his skill.

 

[J-Train]

hold on we have an expert in our midst ladies and gentelmen. I even bet this poor deluded fool is thinking that Santa O'hopeless is going to be the next big thing, because of his skill in celebrating a goal too huh?

haha. If you don't like the answer Cogga, don't ask the question...

This thread is totally set up for everyone to get on their knees and bow to the all conquering Deledio. Guess what? He's good, but he's not elite and IMO won't get that status, which is the original poster's question. Will be great, but not a Hall Of Famer.

As for Carlton - I'm not deluded at all - we are miles off the pace. We were pathetic against the Hawks but unfortunately I can't stop barracking for a club after 28 years. The good news is, we're getting further away from a wooden spoon. Now that's progress! Setanta - not a ruckman's a-hole and better at full back where he can keep it simple and punch it away. That said...why the hell wouldn't you celebrate a goal if you were him...at least he's got a bit of heart, more than can be said for some of his more highly rated teammates and a fair proportion of the passengers on your list. Good for the game and good for the fans.

 

[blaisee]

IMHO his best allready is

 

[GiveGasTheFlick]

I'm not too sure yet, he looks great but he needs a few more ingredients and some time on the stove. Discuss.

he will be our next Brownlow winner

 

[J-Train]

No player is elite until they have mastered every facet of the game. That includes kicking (on both feet) handballing (both hands) standing up in a tackle and dishing the ball off to a team mate, tackling (so that their opponent doesn't dish the ball off to a team mate), kicking accurately for goal, summing up a situation and executing how best their presence will benefit the team, very rarely turning the ball over, spoiling the ball when they are out of position in a contest and keeping their feet when the ball hits the deck.

Brett can tick most of these boxes. As Benny mentioned there is an issue with tackling but that can be leveled at the whole team, what's more, for the past ten or so years.

Elite insinuates a cut above the rest. So another component might be the ability to perform under pressure ie. a matchwinner. For our little immigrant eavesdropping from Carlton, Nathan Brown is elite.

I agree with you on Nathan Brown Rodger, he is elite, or was before that terrible injury. Looking forward to his return.

 

[_RT_]

No player is elite until they have mastered every facet of the game. That includes kicking (on both feet) handballing (both hands) standing up in a tackle and dishing the ball off to a team mate, tackling (so that their opponent doesn't dish the ball off to a team mate), kicking accurately for goal, summing up a situation and executing how best their presence will benefit the team, very rarely turning the ball over, spoiling the ball when they are out of position in a contest and keeping their feet when the ball hits the deck.

Brett can tick most of these boxes. As Benny mentioned there is an issue with tackling but that can be leveled at the whole team, what's more, for the past ten or so years.

Elite insinuates a cut above the rest. So another component might be the ability to perform under pressure ie. a matchwinner. For our little immigrant eavesdropping from Carlton, Nathan Brown is elite.

Brett will be elite at Richmond, using your analogy of being a cut above the rest. Whether he will be at AFL level who knows but he is showing signs of heading that way. The issue is now that he has started hit 20-25 possies a game that needs to be the minimum level he gets. Not the once off great game here and there. Brett needs to be having more outings like the Freo, Port and Dons games and less of the Lions and Cats games where he gets shut out. No more of this "he needs help and needs time" he has had 2.5 years in the system and if it is good enough for others drafted in the same year or a year later to be playing consistently good footy then it is good enough for us to expect the same thing of Brett.

 

[tugga]

How do you define 'elite'? And are we judging him as a potential midfielder or a running defener as he currently is?
Will he be as good Judd? No.
Unfortunately for us mere mortals, Chris Judd has a lot to answer to for being so damn good. Any kid who is drafted in the top 5 from now on will be compared to him and that's not fair.
Is Luke Hodge as good as Judd? No. Is he damn good player? You bet.
I liken Deledio to Hodge. Not an out and out midfielder as such but can play there. Superb at setting up play from the half backline. If Lids can be as good as Hodge I'll sleep soundly at night. I think he can be, in the right team.

 

[CoggaRules]

haha. If you don't like the answer Cogga, don't ask the question...

This thread is totally set up for everyone to get on their knees and bow to the all conquering Deledio. Guess what? He's good, but he's not elite and IMO won't get that status, which is the original poster's question. Will be great, but not a Hall Of Famer.

so according to you, he wont be elite, he will be good, but then he will be great but not a Hall of famer huh? Me thinks you would be HJing him if he was a bluebagger dude.

 

[Dragz]

If Lids can be as good as Hodge I'll sleep soundly at night

Yep. People might harp on about Judd v Hodge, but Hodge can be played anywhere on the park, whereas Judd is a pure midfielder. If Deledio can be used in the same way for you guys (ie, put him where you need his influence) you'll of done well. The kids only 20, give him a few years, blind freddy can see he's got talent!

 

[lids2004roar]

deledio needs to win more of his own ball ...

Myth.

In the last 4 games (or maybe the last 4 starting 2 weeks ago?) he has averaged about 9 contested possessions More than Foley in a couple of those games.

I would say he has played 1 elite game in his career so far (Essendon this year) and maybe 2 almost elite games this season. At the start of the year all we were hoping for was for him to grab a game or two by the scruff of the neck and he has already done that. The second half of the season is to have just as many "almost elite games" and he does "average" games. Then next year he can worry about pushing into the elite imo but if he's not elite by the end of 2008 then it would be unlikely considering his fast start.

Judd won a Brownlow when he was 21 and Deledio is 21 in 2008, I don't expect him to push for a Brownlow but if he is to come elite next year is the year

 

[Calcium Man]

Judd won a Brownlow when he was 21 and Deledio is 21 in 2008, I don't expect him to push for a Brownlow but if he is to come elite next year is the year

Exactly.

Judd is a freak. And was almost elite from day one. Deledio has been played some brilliant games this season. He has the potential to become elite but it might take another 2 or 3 years. Look at Hodge he has been in the system 6 years and is probably on verge of becoming elite. So lets give lids the same amount of time.

 

[PUNTROADHAMMER]

No player is elite until they have mastered every facet of the game. That includes kicking (on both feet) handballing (both hands) standing up in a tackle and dishing the ball off to a team mate, tackling (so that their opponent doesn't dish the ball off to a team mate), kicking accurately for goal, summing up a situation and executing how best their presence will benefit the team, very rarely turning the ball over, spoiling the ball when they are out of position in a contest and keeping their feet when the ball hits the deck.

Brett can tick most of these boxes. As Benny mentioned there is an issue with tackling but that can be leveled at the whole team, what's more, for the past ten or so years.

Elite insinuates a cut above the rest. So another component might be the ability to perform under pressure ie. a matchwinner. For our little immigrant eavesdropping from Carlton, Nathan Brown is elite.

AGREED ROGER :
ELITE = JUDDY, D KERR, GARY ABLETT JNR.

 

[Gavin Excell]

nathan brown was elite

Deledio isn't elite - would have to improve a fair bit to be considered in that realm.

 

[jackson_rules]

nathan brown was elite

Deledio isn't elite - would have to improve a fair bit to be considered in that realm.

nathan brown still is, you dont just lose it. you get injured but you dont lose it

 

[J-Train]

so according to you, he wont be elite, he will be good, but then he will be great but not a Hall of famer huh? Me thinks you would be HJing him if he was a bluebagger dude.

No, read the assessment again. He is good. Will be great. But not a Hall of Famer.

Would love him at the Blues, quality player and would probably torch 90% of our list for talent, but he's not elite and would need to step up a fair way before he is in the same bracket as Kerr/Ablett/Judd/Rob Harvey etc.

You just got the black and yellow blinkers on Cogga.