Will the AFL step in further? (Priority Pick/Other intervention)

[LeverPuller]

I'm not even getting into the shit on the MB now...I hoped for sense and it lasted about 3 pages.

In all seriousness though, every man and his dog can see we are screaming out for serious leadership and experience at all levels of the club. Jackson is the first step (and hopefully a step that lasts longer than six months) but more is required.

Now, some of the ideas I would think could be on the table:

Priority pick (Carlton, Melbourne 2000s)
Now, this is ironic that we're back here. But if we finish last with only one or two wins after losing 4 last year, it's gotta be close to grounds for the AFL giving us one. We're under the old mark, we're pretty obviously not tanking and we're screaming out to be able to draft a couple of quality mids.

The difficulty here though is twofold. Firstly is the tanking investigation. Caro will have a field day with the AFL over it. But the second is more obvious - all we get is another quality kid. Sure, we could trade it, but anyone who would actually change things would probably have the opposition demanding two picks be handed over.

Coaching assistance (Sydney 1990s)
This one is a bit more nuanced and probably depends on circumstance. Come the end of the year and a coach sacking, we're going to need a new coach. The question is: what if there's little-to-no interest? Sure, the job opportunity doesn't come up often, but at the same time you're considered to be consigning yourself to footballing annihilation. This is where the the AFL would step in, offering a coaching assistance package of some degree to land a Roos, a Matthews or some such, and help them build their dream team.

The difficulty here is that other clubs would demand the same if they were down the bottom.

Board assistance (GC & GWS, 2011-12)

AFL goes through and vets all candidates and nominates its preferred options. Now, the obvious thing is that we ultimately elect the board, unlike the interstate clubs. Nevertheless, the AFL could aim to help with the election, gently pushing away candidates who aren't going to help the club.

Of course, they could just let us rot, but AD has already made it fairly clear that he wants the MFC to be competitive.

 

[Topkent]

I like the idea of the afl giving us a top 5 pick that we were forced to trade , then we could just sit back and say righto , everyone offer up a midfielder for It and we will take the best

 

[Bluelegs]

Priority picks are probably the most poorly thought out idea the AFL ever had. It encouraged tanking, it didn't sort out the real issues of cellar dwelling teams and it propelled the strong teams into long stretches of top 4 finishes. I don't want a priority pick. I want a full review of the club at every level and new people brought in to clean up the mess of a clueless boys club and an inexperienced and impotent footy department.

High draft picks are great for teams that want to refresh their list and go again such as Collingwood, Hawthorn, West Coast and so on. For teams like Melbourne, Fremantle in the past, or Richmond a few years ago it did nothing and it wasn't until there was a massive overhaul of their footy dept structures and admin that the teams progressed. Port never got one priority pick but their luck has changed when their admin and footy dept. was revised last year.

 

[Crimson Azure]

I doubt it. Secretly they would probably see this as an added punishment seeing they were too weak to make a definitive call on our 'tanking'.

 

[ramastar]

I doubt it. Secretly they would probably see this as an added punishment seeing they were too weak to make a definitive call on our 'tanking'.

I fear that you are right here. I bet the AFL Administration is secretly high fiving each other thinking thank god they're punishing themselves. F-ck em

Peronally, I like the second option. Coaching assistance. Ha ha, even forcing Roos to coach Melbourne or be banned from attending any AFL games for the rest of his life

 

[Turbocat]

Priority picks are probably the most poorly thought out idea the AFL ever had. It encouraged tanking, it didn't sort out the real issues of cellar dwelling teams and it propelled the strong teams into years of top 4 finishes. I don't want a priority pick. I want a full review of the club at every level and new people brought in to clean up the mess of a clueless boys club and an inexperienced and impotent footy department.

High draft picks are great for teams that want to refresh their list and go again such as Collingwood, Hawthorn, West Coast and so on. For teams like Melbourne, Fremantle in the past, or Richmond a few years ago it did nothing and it wasn't until there was a massive overhaul of their footy dept structures and admin that the teams progressed. Port never got one priority pick but their luck has changed when their admin and footy dept. was revised last year.

That is so true.

Lets give kids to team that perform poor in this season. Nuts in so many ways
1, unless they are a freak kid , they will not help immediate performance. So really no help
2, It was all based on performance in 1 season. Was it just a 1 off , doesn't matter. An honest bunch of triers that won 6-7 games a year for a decade would not earn help. A Flag team follows up with a 5 win season they got a PP. This was altered to over two seasons and 4 wins later.
3, it set a definitive benchmark . One win more than that and that win would /could mean a ten year player.

What would I do to help Melb. Well not give them extra kids. I would try to find something that could help in 2014

I'd consider some GWS/GC type assistance. A couple mini draft picks that must be traded for players. Going by the way GWS got clubs involved , it would create interest. Perhaps Priority FA. Any out of contract players , no matter the age. AFL would give compensation not Melbourne. Id also consider adding extra Rookie and for them to be paid for by the AFL.

The AFL must be imaginative , its just too easy to give kids and then wonder why clubs continue be at the bottom.

Good luck guys , its a crook time to be having list issue , the new team have most the talent , and they will keep getting it for the next couple of years.

 

[Turbocat]

I doubt it. Secretly they would probably see this as an added punishment seeing they were too weak to make a definitive call on our 'tanking'.

CA , how could they punish you for something they couldn't define. "Tanking" is what ... losing a game because your trying to? If so players on the field are involved.

Or is not try your best to win? Then everytime a player is played out of position , everytime a team rests a player , everytime a coach experiments it may be construed as tanking. If we are concerned about gambling , then with Spot fixing margins , goal kickers ... could all be worse than "Tanking". Tanking a game ie. losing it, gives the punishment of a loss , SF does not.

I have not heard of any club yet trying to do anything other than win ..long term. At Geelong we played a forward Lonergan at FB and he had goals kicked on him , but now he has become a match winner at FB. Its short term pain , long term gain. One may question the way you went about it but not your aims.

There is no way the AFL could punish you without bringing into question every move a coach does every week. If certain people had not said certain things at meetings , you would not have even been fined.

 

[Blackas87]

Don't know why we need the AFL's help, I can tell you right now what we need. Senior people in charge that know what they're doing that have been there and done it before.

We don't need priority picks, if we want to earn some respect back we can't be taking freebies all the time

 

[Cannon82]

What would I do to help Melb. Well not give them extra kids. I would try to find something that could help in 2014

Brownlow medalist for the season immediately traded to us. Come Gary, come.

 

[CWaffles]

I agree, a priority pick really isn't going to help us out in the short term. I would like to see the AFL step in and help us with selecting a coach, because it seems as though we don't have the people in place to make the right decisions as far as coaching goes.

Also I would like to see Peter Jackson stick around for years to come, he is the first person to come out and not sugar coat the situation!

 

[rhaz]

No.

No more rewards for mediocrity.

 

[RandB]

If ever a team needed one it is us now. If ever a team didn't deserve one it is us now.

PPs should be given the arse btw.

 

[Bluelegs]

I doubt it. Secretly they would probably see this as an added punishment seeing they were too weak to make a definitive call on our 'tanking'.

I don't understand that idea. The AFL don't hold grudges like that they are objectively business-minded. Melbourne being shit doesn't do anything to help them.

 

[chopper41]

No.

No more rewards for mediocrity.

Mediocrity? I hope we can one day achieve mediocrity, but we've still got a lot of work ahead of us before we reach that level.

 

[Supermercado]

If we were to get a start of first round priority it would be the biggest scandal in history.

But if they're offering...

 

[Tulip]

Mediocrity? I hope we can one day achieve mediocrity, but we've still got a lot of work ahead of us before we reach that level.

Mediocre, ordinary, average

Words that haunt my dreams

 

[Dory_77]

Can't see us getting a PP due to the tanking saga. Also don't think it'd be that helpful to our plight. We're gonna get a top 3 pick anyways it seems, and adding another kid isn't going to help us out much in the short term. Need to fix up the coaching/admin side of things and I think the AFL might have a few things to say behind closed doors about that. I don't think there'd be any 'official' AFL assistance, but they'll probably have a word to Jackson about who they want in/out of the club. Jackson himself was brought in off the back of an AFL push wasn't he? I can imagine that happening again regarding the coach/board etc although perhaps with a bit more subtlety.

 

[CTHORANGE]

We won't be getting a priority pick, but if it makes anyone feel better we will be getting a top 3 draft pick this year, plus Hogan onto the list, so it's like we banked one in advance.

 

[ponsdale]

We won't be getting a priority pick, but if it makes anyone feel better we will be getting a top 3 draft pick this year, plus Hogan onto the list, so it's like we banked one in advance.

Except it cost us a top three pick to get it

 

[telsor]

I'd offer up another suggestion if I may.

AFL 'encourages' a couple of very highly credentialed people to review the club, both admin and football dept and give you a blueprint to move forward.

Jackson is probably doing already this on the admin side, but it might be possible to convince someone like Roos to come in and review your FD/list, etc. (he may not be interested in coaching, but he might be willing to do this as a 3-4 month gig, reporting late august/early september).

Yeah, it wont help this year, but it's bound to make the off season...'interesting'

 

[tigs2010]

Last 2 options are probably the best striker. Get some assistance from the AFL to help out with the board and coaching appointments. Get all that in place and if the team is still struggling due to talent (which it shouldn't be) then give you guys a priority pick in a year or two when the structures are in place and it won't (or shouldn't) go to waste.

 

[Cannon82]

Jackson is probably doing already this on the admin side, but it might be possible to convince someone like Roos to come in and review your FD/list, etc. (he may not be interested in coaching, but he might be willing to do this as a 3-4 month gig, reporting late august/early september).

Not a great idea getting someone in to review the list - there's no accounting for taste. Paul Roos sounds good in theory, but this is a guy who happily tolerated Amon Buchanan, Jared Moore, Craig Bird, Nic Fosdike, etc etc clogging up the Swans list. We need to get the right coach in and he needs to make the changes. Trying to do it before the right guy gets on board is only going to make the situation worse.

 

[Crusty Demon]

No more priority picks please. Just get us a decent list manager and some people who can turn potential into A graders, and a coach who knows how to a) pick the right side and b) actually motivate the playing list to want to play for the jumper. It's looking likely we'll end up with pick 1 or 2 anyway. So we will get another kid with huge potential to our club(on hands and knees praying it's a midfielder who can find the football). I'm sick of handouts and priority picks. It has seriously got us nowhere.