Review Winners and Losers 2025 draft

[Obeanie1]

There were a couple posts in our draft thread saying we should take him at 13 (which ended up being 19) I almost had a stroke at the Mr Fantastic level overreach on that. Getting him for a 'free' in the rookie draft on the other hand is an absolute steal and was necessary since the board was currently burning down over us not taking Banfield.

Rodreguez was really the only proven pure inside mid we took.

Who knows if Duursma ends up as an inside mid? May end up a gun half back or wing.

Sam Allen is balanced but more of a winger.

So "Alf" falling in our laps with pick 1 in the rookie draft certainly cooled some Eagles fans down.

And yes, certainly softened the disappointment in missing out on Banfield.

 

[Obeanie1]

I think the Eagles are going to look back on Rodriguez in the rookie draft as a steal. Whether they keep him in the side when the prospect of a less productive but flashier player is available will be the key.

He was pretty keen to get to Freo but they have enough mids of his ability.

Believe mum is an Eagles fan but Alf and his father big Freo fans.......well were anyway.

 

[Taylor]

He was pretty keen to get to Freo but they have enough mids of his ability.

Believe mum is an Eagles fan but Alf and his father big Freo fans.......well were anyway.

I wanted Freo to participate in the PSD to get him ahead of WC for that reason. I think he will be the sort of player who makes everyone around him look better, link in the chain sort, who doesn't appear in the highlight because someone else intercept marked it and someone ahead kicked the goal - but that tidy work between them is the reason the chain scored.

Quite jealous. Feel free to delist him in a year or so and we can get him off you for free.

Like I said, his biggest challenge will be keeping his spot as a 25-30 touch mid without great pace when a 15 touch mid with speed is knocking on the door for a place in the team, on the flank. Coaches can be seduced by the prospect of x factor over just getting the job done with the ball.

James Aish wasn't a star, but he was reliable and dependable. Made players around better. Won his moments and didn't waste an involvement. That's Fred Rodriguez.

 

[eastfreo75]

Duursma clear #1 and likened to Bontempelli

CTD a ruck who becomes a 4th midfielder in play. Will definately support the midfield moving forward.

Lindsay a defender / mid with elite kicking.

Rodreguez ranked top 10 6 months ago, AA, state captain, dual sided mid ready to go.

McCarthy moved into the midfield late in the year and was racking up 30 plus.

Just added Dev Robertson as an inside defensive mid at 24.

Macrae at 21 another inside mid who can play forward.

Schoenberg 24 more of an inside mid but a footballer.

Hall entering his 3rd year with Harley.

Hough moved to the midfield last season and played well.ooo
Starcervich also linked to midfield rotations along with Baker and Graham who were added last season.

Yeo possibly back, likely rotated with Hough on ball.

Hewett and Hutchingson progressing nicely as HF / mids.

Ginbey as chance to move to the midfield as he develops, we have so many options in defense as is.

So the Eagles have a few more options this season and kids to develop.

Edit. Thanks for dropping by The Gun and paying your rent. No meaningful counter argument as usual.

Seriously get your hand off it.

Rookie listed players have 10% chance of making 50 games and second and third round picks 30% chance to make 50 games.

West Coast had only one win with a percentage 60.13%. To think you can turn around this quickly is insane. Even if you have 5 times as many wins will still be in the bottom 4.

Having one player in the 22 under 22 doesn't suggest the young players are any good.

 

[bzparkes]

Having one player in the 22 under 22 doesn't suggest the young players are any good.

Please don't ever reference a fan voted award as some kind of 'legitimacy'

 

[eastfreo75]

Please don't ever reference a fan voted award as some kind of 'legitimacy'

West Coast isn't that good. Reid is great but the rest are solid foot soldiers.

Your club haven't traded or drafted well for 7 years.

It's not who are but it's what you do. Trading out high picks for pennies on the dollar is pretty dumb.

 

[bzparkes]

West Coast isn't that good. Reid is great but the rest are solid foot soldiers.

Your club haven't traded or drafted well for 7 years.

It's not who are but it's what you do. Trading out high picks for pennies on the dollar is pretty dumb.

We've used the number 1 pick in 2 of three years?

Haven't missed out on anyone of note trading those picks back(please don't say Sheezel, North were always picking him before us).

I'd say WCE have drafted very well in the past 4 but yes, prior to that is was very bad, other than 2017, hence the position we find ourselves in currently.

Senior players falling off a cliff via injury only exacerbated the issue, which forced the kids to play more main roles long before they were ready.

Onwards and upwards from 2026.

 

[eastfreo75]

We've used the number 1 pick in 2 of three years?

Haven't missed out on anyone of note trading those picks back(please don't say Sheezel, North were always picking him before us).

I'd say WCE have drafted very well in the past 4 but yes, prior to that is was very bad, other than 2017, hence the position we find ourselves in currently.

Senior players falling off a cliff via injury only exacerbated the issue, which forced the kids to play more main roles long before they were ready.

Onwards and upwards from 2026.

Cannot get worse than 1 win.

 

[Petrify]

Not sure about that.
Essendons drafting from 2015-2022 has been largely diabolical.

Last three drafts have been good for them though.

Amazing what losing Dodoro does to a club

 

[bzparkes]

Cannot get worse than 1 win.

Sure but let's say in an alternate universe our 2 AA's from last year don't miss most of the year through injury/retirement and Yep doesn't **** his ankle in a tackle in the preseason, we likely win the close games against Richmond, North, Essendon and Adelaide. We had at least one of those 3 missing in those early games(Essendon, Yeo wasn't playing, lost by 2pts) and all 3 missing when we played North and Adelaide. Then there was the Port game where we ran out of puff.

Yes, of wishes were fishes poor men would never go hungry but it certainly highlighted the lack of depth in the side, which a big attempt was made to address in the offseason.

Don't forget that of the 5 wins Richmond got, 2 of them were against West Coast, a team that only won 1 game for the season.

The 100 point beltings never happened and clearly the side faded late in games, of which many were competitive until 3 QTR time.

There'll be significant improvement next year.

 

[WilloTree]

Please don't ever reference a fan voted award as some kind of 'legitimacy'

Not to argue, but I personally really like it. It's probably a better indicator than the Rising Star to be honest.

I'll pop the 2012 (first year they had it) down below. It's crazy how accurate it was.

 

[Obeanie1]

Seriously get your hand off it.

Rookie listed players have 10% chance of making 50 games and second and third round picks 30% chance to make 50 games.

West Coast had only one win with a percentage 60.13%. To think you can turn around this quickly is insane. Even if you have 5 times as many wins will still be in the bottom 4.

Having one player in the 22 under 22 doesn't suggest the young players are any good.

Learn to read.

Never said it was a quick fix.

Merry Chistmas btw.

 

[bzparkes]

Not to argue, but I personally really like it. It's probably a better indicator than the Rising Star to be honest.

I'll pop the 2012 (first year they had it) down below. It's crazy how accurate it was.

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It's not a terrible award by any means but it's like the AA side, where players a put in roles they don't play to fit them in the side because fans vote that way.

 

[WilloTree]

It's not a terrible award by any means but it's like the AA side, where players a put in roles they don't play to fit them in the side because fans vote that way.

I'm probably in the minority, but I can understand the old shoehorning mids into flanks. Some of the forwards these days are garbage, but there are loads of good mids.

Leaving out LeCras was a crime, and Pavlich 2012, otherwise I can't think of any other reasonable examples.

 

[bzparkes]

I'm probably in the minority, but I can understand the old shoehorning mids into flanks. Some of the forwards these days are garbage, but there are loads of good mids.

Leaving out LeCras was a crime, and Pavlich 2012, otherwise I can't think of any other reasonable examples.

I can understand shoehorning mids into flanks also, provided they also kick 20+ goals, but I can't understands putting them into pockets, just because they had more disposals than a FP specialist.

For instance, Dustin Martin made the 2020 AA team as a FP, despite kicking less goals than Charlie Cameron and Dan Butler, neither of which made the side to fit Martin in.

If his season was so good as to make the AA team, one of the mids or half-forwards should've made way for him. Or he should've been on the bench.

Martin was never a forward pocket at any point of his career and as a specialist role, it should've gone to the 2 best performing forward pockets. I also could live with it going to the third best performing tall, as many clubs play an extra tall in lieu of 2 dedicated FPs.

 

[Petrify]

Sure but let's say in an alternate universe our 2 AA's from last year don't miss most of the year through injury/retirement and Yep doesn't **** his ankle in a tackle in the preseason, we likely win the close games against Richmond, North, Essendon and Adelaide. We had at least one of those 3 missing in those early games(Essendon, Yeo wasn't playing, lost by 2pts)

In the alternate universe without injuries Essendon has more firepower coming back into their side than the Eagles with Yeo.

 

[bzparkes]

In the alternate universe without injuries Essendon has more firepower coming back into their side than the Eagles with Yeo.

Really?

Who?

 

[Petrify]

Really?

Who?

Essendon were missing Langford, Caldwell, Guelfi, Parish and Bryan, then lost Draper at the start of the 4th quarter.

 

[Deadly Darcy]

Amazing what losing Dodoro does to a club

The bloke just seemed to be a massive handbrake on every other department at Essendon. It’s worse when everyone can probably see he’s a liability but he remained the number 1 protected son for decades. The fact that he sued the club on the way out was the gold leaf on the cherry on the cream on the icream of the whole Sundae……. Maybe you win a final moving forward!!

 

[Old navy]

A poster on our board pulled this from the Swans draft day video, the names have been blurred out, but you can still get a pretty good idea of who the players are based on the positions they listed them as.
I found it really interesting to see how clubs rank certain players, you can actually see how Sydney broke it down, ranking players by points and then placing them into tiers.

Some players are very easy to identify, the most obvious ones to me were Harry Dean at 6, Xavier Taylor at 7 and CDT at 10.
CDT sliding down to 10 on their board was probably the biggest surprise, I feel pretty confident the top 5 is right, but I do think Uwland and Duursma could potentially be switched around based on the position description, also Uwland just seems like exactly the kinda player Sydney love, so I could definitely see him being at the top of their board.

It’s pretty rare for us to get this kinda draft intel, so shout out to WalshistheGOATfor catching this.


Tier 1A

1. 72.7 ATTACKING MID Willem Duursma

2. 72.1TRANSITION MID Zeke Uwland

3. 70.9 ATTACKING MID Sam Cummings

4. 70.7 TRANSITION MID Dylan Patterson

5. 70.6 ATTACKING MID Dan Annabelle

6. 70.6 KEY DEFENDER Harry Dean

7. 70.1 HYBRID DEFENDER Xavier Taylor

Tier 1B

8. 69.8 HIGH DEFENDER Jacob Farrow

9. 69.8 TRANSITION MID Sam Grlj

10. 69.8 RUCK Cooper Duff-Tyler

11. 69.6 ATTACKING MID Sullivan Robey/Dyson Sharp

12. 69.0 HYBRID DEFENDER Oscar Taylor/Josh Lindsay

13. 69.0 HYBRID DEFENDER Harry Kyle

 

[Petrify]

Tier 1A

1. 72.7 ATTACKING MID Willem Duursma

2. 72.1TRANSITION MID Zeke Uwland

3. 70.9 ATTACKING MID Sam Cummings

4. 70.7 TRANSITION MID Dylan Patterson

5. 70.6 ATTACKING MID Dan Annabelle

6. 70.6 KEY DEFENDER Harry Dean

7. 70.1 HYBRID DEFENDER Xavier Taylor

Tier 1B

8. 69.8 HIGH DEFENDER Jacob Farrow

9. 69.8 TRANSITION MID Sam Grlj

10. 69.8 RUCK Cooper Duff-Tyler

11. 69.6 ATTACKING MID Sullivan Robey/Dyson Sharp

12. 69.0 HYBRID DEFENDER Oscar Taylor/Josh Lindsay

13. 69.0 HYBRID DEFENDER Harry Kyle

It's very interesting but I think aside from the defenders & ruck the mids are impossible to tell order