Current Trial Russell Hill & Carol Clay - Wonnangatta *Pilot Greg Lynn Pleads Not Guilty to Murder

[Kurve]

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On the Greg Lynn committal proceedings Crown Prosecutor Mr Dickie said 'It is clear hopefully from the document, and if it's not clear from the document it's clear hopefully from the charges put before the court, that it is alleged of course that the accused acted with murderous intent when he allegedly killed the two victims.'

 

[Pamcake1]

And it is totally possible that some of it could come from the campsite but I would have thought that they would not mix the item from the two different sites up.
I read it, the photo with the items layed out that that this is where they sifted through the burial site and I clearly remember the glasses (part of) were reported to be found at the burial burn site.
If someone who was in court can confirm the photos that would be great.

 

[FranklinBluth]

This is something we need to clarify - tent or burial site. If it was burial site, there wouldn't be anything from the tent there.

The ABC also identifies this photo as being from the campsite

 

[Pamcake1]

Allegedly the incident took place at 10 pm, spend a few minutes panicking, collect the bodies and bundle them up. clear the camp of any incriminating evidence, pack up your own tent and make sure theres's no incriminationg evidence, st fire to the tent with a final check around, load the bodies into a trailer and get to the locked gate by midnight?

The time frames seem too tight.

The time frame is very tight. Rather too much so.
IMO GL packed up his own campsite before setting out on his deed, to begin with.

 

[Pamcake1]

The ABC also identifies this photo as being from the campsite

And they have got that wrong before.
Like they do.
I trust the reporters writing for the description not the sub-editor doing the layout.

 

[FranklinBluth]

There was nobody else camping with them - just the two of them - this is well established friend.

I'm aware of that. But weren't there other people camping in the national park? Would any of them heard the gas bottle explosion? Or were they camped too far away? I guess I am wondering if there is any other campers who could confirm the time of the tent fire?

 

[Pamcake1]

I'm aware of that. But weren't there other people camping in the national park? Would any of them heard the gas bottle explosion? Or were they camped too far away? I guess I am wondering if there is any other campers who could confirm the time of the tent fire?

The closest anyone else was camping was more than 1km away.
I you read back to the start of the trial in this thread you will find your answers.

 

[jason_recliner]

The ABC also identifies this photo as being from the campsite

Clearly the campsite.

 

[Pamcake1]

The ABC article has been further updated with the below:

"DNA expert Dadna Hartman shared her analysis with jurors that linked a bone fragment found at the Union Spur Track site to a sample provided by Russell Hill's family.
Of the five samples provided for testing from the discoveries made at that site, including a tooth, the court heard that DNA was only found on one of them.

Dr Hartman said that was because DNA was likely to degrade over time.
"For example … if things are burnt or exposed to chemicals, DNA can break down and is not recoverable," she said.
Dr Hartman was also involved in DNA testing of more bone fragments the following year, in 2022, that the court heard had been recovered from the site of the alleged murder at Bucks Camp in the Wonnangatta Valley.

Multiple cranial bone fragments collected at that site matched Carol Clay's DNA.
Dr Hartman explained to jurors that it was 100 billion times more likely that these samples had originated from the samples they were being compared with — in this case Russell Hill and Carol Clay — compared to an unrelated person in the population."

Forensic fire expert details human remains found at remote site in Greg Lynn murder trial

An investigator shares the findings of human remains and personal effects recovered from a remote campsite in Victoria's High Country.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Kurve]

ABC Latest:
With more evidence photos.

Forensic fire expert details human remains found at remote site in Greg Lynn murder trial

An investigator shares the findings of human remains and personal effects recovered from a remote campsite in Victoria's High Country.

www.abc.net.au

I can see bra wires bottom left facing in that image which is presented as findings at Bucks Camp.

 

[Badd0g]

And they have got that wrong.
Like they do.
I trust the reporters writing for the description not the sub-editor doing the layout.

Both abc and the guardian have the photo tagged as being burnt items from the camp.

 

[theouthouse]

Clearly the campsite.

Yes

I can see bra wires bottom left facing in that image which is presented as findings at Bucks Camp.

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And tent remnants are there as well. Photos in the media today are clearly from the camp-site.

 

[Kurve]

I work remote where a five day job can stretch out to two weeks and I need to be prepared for it, space is an issue and I do it with one bag. While I can't say what Clay might take with her but an extra bra seems unnecessary and I never pack a spare. They're the easiest thing to wash and dry.

 

[OzF]

And they have got that wrong.
Like they do.
I trust the reporters writing for the description not the sub-editor doing the layout.

The bra etc were from the campsite, because they were found with things like the tent eyelets and what they thought was the side window mechanism

 

[FranklinBluth]

Today's article in the Age has more photos, including one of the burnt wristwatch

 

[Kurve]

Bone Fragments shown in court.

I dont think they're bone fragments, that's stuff they found at the burnt out Bucks Camp site. There's a lot of plastics and metals in that lot.

I'm wondering if they also found a set of Clay's bra wires at the dump site.

 

[Zidane98]

I'm aware of that. But weren't there other people camping in the national park? Would any of them heard the gas bottle explosion? Or were they camped too far away? I guess I am wondering if there is any other campers who could confirm the time of the tent fire?

Covid lockdowns had just hit. There weren't a lot of campers around. Nearest ones were the weed sprayers 3km away. The guy camped near the Abbeyard gate was 5km away. Wonnangatta is huge.

It's not surprising nobody noticed or heard the fire / explosion.

 

[highcountry]

It is so good to hear that and have your reports from the court confirming things for us here and pointing out a different bits to draw our attention to. Thank you.
The press have papers to sell, editors to please and must appeal to a very broard audience so it's valuable to have your perspective.
May I ask a some practical questions here;
Have the crowds/public attendence thinned out after the first week?
Are the Jury looking attentive (still)?
Are Mrs L's greetings to GL becoming more subdued or more enthusiastic?
How's GL behaving?

It’s a large public gallery. At capacity it might hold 60 people. It’s pretty full most days. But not as full as the first day when it was standing room only.

Lynn can not be seen during the hearing as he sits well under the over hang of the gallery.

Every day at the end of the hearing two police escort him to the front of the court in full view of the gallery. As he waits patiently to have hand cuffs fitted before being lead out he always turns to face the gallery and waves up to his wife. It is the same routine each day. A warm exchange.

He never seems stressed or agitated in these encounters. Just matter of factually exchanging pleasantries with his lawyers or correction officers.

I wouldn’t say jovial, but he is relaxed and congenial. I often I feel I could be looking at an accountant or similar gray man.

The jury are engaged and without exception are taking a lot of notes. No ne seems disinterested or, as yet showing any obvious signs of emotion.

Do we know the demographic of the jury?

The judge can also direct the jury on a manslaughter verdict as well if I’m not mistaken

Correct.

 

[Pamcake1]

It’s a large public gallery. At capacity it might hold 60 people. It’s pretty full most days. But not as full as the first day when it was standing room only.

Lynn can not be seen during the hearing as he sits well under the over hang of the gallery.

Every day at the end of the hearing two police escort him to the front of the court in full view of the gallery. As he waits patiently to have hand cuffs fitted before being lead out he always turns to face the gallery and waves up to his wife. It is the same routine each day. A warm exchange.

He never seems stressed or agitated in these encounters. Just matter of factually exchanging pleasantries with his lawyers or correction officers.

I wouldn’t say jovial, but he is relaxed and congenial. I often I feel I could be looking at an accountant or similar gray man.

The jury are engaged and without exception are taking a lot of notes. No ne seems disinterested or, as yet showing any obvious signs of emotion.





Correct.

Thanks Highcountry.
I'm sure for GL it is something different from the routine he's had to do and therefore interesting to be o
'out' and seeing people.

 

[highcountry]

I don’t believe a word of it. You don’t steal a gun because someone has music too loud.

Indeed if you know someone has a gun and is doing anything provocative - you leave well enough alone. Especially at dusk or after dark.

 

[highcountry]

Police have said - and Lynn has admitted I believe - that he had repainted his car, to avoid detection.

Have any details come to light on how he repainted his car?

Did he do it himself, which requires a pretty high skill set to pull it off successfully, bad paint jobs really stand out and devalue a car, or did he pay professionals to do it?

I’m watching closely to see if we will learn what Lynn said when questioned about painting his car the first time.

As to the approximate date and the reason why. And if professionals did one or either job.

To paint a car once is a red flag. To paint it twice within a matter of years is like the red army on parade.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Police have said - and Lynn has admitted I believe - that he had repainted his car, to avoid detection.

Have any details come to light on how he repainted his car?

Did he do it himself, which requires a pretty high skill set to pull it off successfully, bad paint jobs really stand out and devalue a car, or did he pay professionals to do it?

I’m watching closely to see if we will learn what Lynn said when questioned about painting his car the first time.

As to the approximate date and the reason why. And if professionals did one or either job.

To paint a car once is a red flag. To paint it twice within a matter of years is like the red army on parade.

Can’t remember who it was on the thread (apologies) but apparently not that hard with raptor coating.

This is a very minor observation but the colour he went with from what I can see on photos is close to FDE. Not sure if that’s a raptor colour but those that own firearms and have an interest in hunting and military it’s a well known colour.

 

[Zidane98]

Police have said - and Lynn has admitted I believe - that he had repainted his car, to avoid detection.

Have any details come to light on how he repainted his car?

Did he do it himself, which requires a pretty high skill set to pull it off successfully, bad paint jobs really stand out and devalue a car, or did he pay professionals to do it?

I’m watching closely to see if we will learn what Lynn said when questioned about painting his car the first time.

As to the approximate date and the reason why. And if professionals did one or either job.

To paint a car once is a red flag. To paint it twice within a matter of years is like the red army on parade.

It's a raptor coat job. Easy to do at home and very common amongst 4wd owners because they get scratched / banged up from regular off road driving.


If one were truly serious about avoiding detection they would break it up into parts at a wrecker. Would be never seen or heard of again.

Or torch the thing.

 

[LeChatNoir]

Police have said - and Lynn has admitted I believe - that he had repainted his car, to avoid detection.

Have any details come to light on how he repainted his car?

Did he do it himself, which requires a pretty high skill set to pull it off successfully, bad paint jobs really stand out and devalue a car, or did he pay professionals to do it?

I’m watching closely to see if we will learn what Lynn said when questioned about painting his car the first time.

As to the approximate date and the reason why. And if professionals did one or either job.

To paint a car once is a red flag. To paint it twice within a matter of years is like the red army on parade.

Really appreciating your work. Do you think he will be answering questions? I was of the understanding that he wouldn't be answering questions, that his barrister would be speaking on Lynn's behalf.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Really appreciating your work. Do you think he will be answering questions? I was of the understanding that he wouldn't be answering questions, that his barrister would be speaking on Lynn's behalf.

He would melt in 10 seconds if he was on the stand in front of an experienced prosecutor. If I was on the crown’s team I would beg for an opportunity to have a crack if he had the temerity to take the stand.

I hope he does but there is no way I can see that DD would suggest that’s a good idea.

 

[LeChatNoir]

It's a raptor coat job. Easy to do at home and very common amongst 4wd owners because they get scratched / banged up from regular off road driving.


If one were truly serious about avoiding detection they would break it up into parts at a wrecker. Would be never seen or heard of again.

Or torch the thing.

Yes, makes one wonder. He went to extraordinary and gruesome measures to destroy evidence of the crime but couldn't bring himself to destroy his car. Instead his car gets a face lift. Too bad he didn't share the same sentiment for his trailer.