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[Pie 4 Life]

You’ve nailed the problem.

There are some people playing with some certainty of what their win con actually is.

Zerg could be speaking now from inside a PM (is that possible?). So could I for that matter. And if Zerg isn’t speaking from the inside of a PM, both of us and a fair number of others are speaking from a position of not fully knowing whether their win con might change overnight when they discover tomorrow that they are evil.

Headless lynched still allows for a village win right? The CA plan could create a resounding village win, but could also give evil a decent crack.

Headless is a neutral, so his only aim is to finish in the final four.

The biggest threat to evil is if they get taken out at night, which with no vig we can't do. I'm certainly not opposed to Headless getting lynched, but also I can see the high-risk, high-reward nature. Do evil try and take out Headless now to limit the damage he could do? Does that save a good role?

I don't trust Zerg (or anyone unconfirmed) at all clearly. But the fact that the info provided by CA is something that you or I could have said/done without even having seers just seems a bit off. There's every chance (as I mentioned) they seered a teammate last night and joined a PM. Maybe not, maybe Zerg is a head and seered CA as the seer, that is possible.

But right now if CA is the seer, they haven't given any info to aid the village as such. It could just be terrible luck, but it's just a bit off for me.

The seer can't find the NI anyway, so there's what, four/five roles they could seer? We lynch Headless, yeah it's easy it's going to help the village from not dying, but it could also throw a spanner in the works for evil if he lives.

As I said, I'm completely 50/50 on it, but can see the merits in both. I just want more clarity because it seems a little cagey from my POV.

 

[ZergMinion]

This makes sense. Crim is very clever, but no way do they have your experience on the right moves to make in a flash. Do you think this is what happened?

It's what I'm leaning towards.

 

[ZergMinion]

Why is it impossible?

We know you weren't role-blocked and Gralin didn't have the amulet. There are no other game rules that could cause a seer to fail.

 

[Pie 4 Life]

I'm currently on Headless - would you like me to switch to Crim?

Go with your gut, that's what I did. I'm genuinely 50/50. Headless is the safe bet, but CA I tend to agree with Zerg the whole non-revealing seers/unsuccessful for some reason, it just seems off. Maybe there's an explanation, but I dunno.

 

[Crimson Azure]

Lol, I have completely stuffed up, here is what I actually asked for:

Primary Pie 4 Life please.

I think I’m the seer but just in case.

2nd: Gralin

Pie 4 Life care to explain yourself?

I thought it was Gralin but it turn out to be my secondary. I probably deserve to be voted out.

 

[ZergMinion]

Headless is a neutral, so his only aim is to finish in the final four.

The biggest threat to evil is if they get taken out at night, which with no vig we can't do. I'm certainly not opposed to Headless getting lynched, but also I can see the high-risk, high-reward nature. Do evil try and take out Headless now to limit the damage he could do? Does that save a good role?

I don't trust Zerg (or anyone unconfirmed) at all clearly. But the fact that the info provided by CA is something that you or I could have said/done without even having seers just seems a bit off. There's every chance (as I mentioned) they seered a teammate last night and joined a PM. Maybe not, maybe Zerg is a head and seered CA as the seer, that is possible.

But right now if CA is the seer, they haven't given any info to aid the village as such. It could just be terrible luck, but it's just a bit off for me.

The seer can't find the NI anyway, so there's what, four/five roles they could seer? We lynch Headless, yeah it's easy it's going to help the village from not dying, but it could also throw a spanner in the works for evil if he lives.

As I said, I'm completely 50/50 on it, but can see the merits in both. I just want more clarity because it seems a little cagey from my POV.

Hoo boy...I clearly don't know if I'm good or evil. You have to apply a little Occam when in a village lead role.

 

[cats_09]

Headless - if I switch my vote for today, do you promise to not target me tonight?

 

[Pie 4 Life]

Lol, I have completely stuffed up, here is what I actually asked for:

Primary Pie 4 Life please.

I think I’m the seer but just in case.

2nd: Gralin

Pie 4 Life care to explain yourself?

I thought it was Gralin but it turn out to be my secondary. I probably deserve to be voted out.

Night two when I had the amulet?

 

[Crimson Azure]

Ok, looks like I have stuffed up and am going, so I seered myself last night and it came back as unsuccessful.

This is why I didn't want to out myself but probably get killed by the wolves even if I survive.

 

[Headless]

Headless - if I switch my vote for today, do you promise to not target me tonight?

I do.

 

[cats_09]

Night two when I had the amulet?

Just feels rather convenient to come out with that 24hrs later

 

[Pie 4 Life]

Hoo boy...I clearly don't know if I'm good or evil. You have to apply a little Occam when in a village lead role.

Oh don't you worry I know you're hoping like hell you're mafia as it's a win-win if you take out another wolf. Hell, you might be a wolf and you think they're mafia.

This isn't a "Zerg says so, let's do it". It's clearly something that doesn't sit right with me personally. You just have a sentiment I agree with.

 

[cats_09]

Crimson A

Thanks Cadsky - hoping this may help get a few more answers

 

[Crimson Azure]

Night two when I had the amulet?

So convenient.

 

[Pie 4 Life]

Just feels rather convenient to come out with that 24hrs later

To come up with an explanation of why it failed just as they're on the verge of being pressed to be lynched? 100%.

 

[Pie 4 Life]

So convenient.

What are you doing? Me having the amulet N2 is public knowledge lol. You suddenly changing your story 24 hours after the fact and when in the gun only solidifies the fact that you look suss.

 

[ZergMinion]

Oh don't you worry I know you're hoping like hell you're mafia as it's a win-win if you take out another wolf. Hell, you might be a wolf and you think they're mafia.

This isn't a "Zerg says so, let's do it". It's clearly something that doesn't sit right with me personally. You just have a sentiment I agree with.

If you think I know I'm mafia or a wolf then you're just not reading my posts.

 

[cats_09]

To come up with an explanation of why it failed just as they're on the verge of being pressed to be lynched? 100%.

Am I right that the reasons for the unsuccessful action include:

• JOAT
• Role block
• Doc protection
• Now it's a different person who was actually targeted and just happens they had the amulet...

 

[Pie 4 Life]

If you think I know I'm mafia or a wolf then you're just not reading my posts.

I don't know what to think with you. I know you couldn't think you're mafia unless you have killed but unlikely with MCBG. Wolf maybe, but still. Line ball is I don't trust you, but I just have a mutual agreement with your opinion.

 

[Crimson Azure]

Crimson A

Thanks Cadsky - hoping this may help get a few more answers

I can give you the answer, I seered myself and it was unsuccessful which can mean only one thing.

 

[Pie 4 Life]

Am I right that the reasons for the unsuccessful action include:

• JOAT
• Role block
• Doc protection
• Now it's a different person who was actually targeted and just happens they had the amulet...

Yeah it looks like they tried to turn it on me as if I'm some NI person but didn't realise that it was public knowledge I had the amulet. It's all getting fishier and fishier.

 

[cats_09]

Yeah it looks like they tried to turn it on me as if I'm some NI person but didn't realise that it was public knowledge I had the amulet. It's all getting fishier and fishier.

But even if being NI, I'm pretty sure you still get a seer result of "Villager"

 

[ZergMinion]

I don't know what to think with you. I know you couldn't think you're mafia unless you have killed but unlikely with MCBG. Wolf maybe, but still. Line ball is I don't trust you, but I just have a mutual agreement with your opinion.

What I'm saying is that you're wasting a bunch of energy on extremely remote possibilities when you should be concentrating on what's likely.

 

[Pie 4 Life]

What I'm saying is that you're wasting a bunch of energy on extremely remote possibilities when you should be concentrating on what's likely.

I’m literally agreeing with you on CA. I’m just being wary of potential motives be it known or hoped.

 

[cats_09]

I can give you the answer, I seered myself and it was unsuccessful which can mean only one thing.

That you're not the doc?

I'm pretty sure every game I've played, the seer doesn't get an answer if seering themselves