Politics Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19): The politics thread

[Kwality]

The US is a weird one, as much as people want to lump this all on Trump, their populations entire world view and attitude towards government was never going to allow them to be locked down or have their freedoms curtailed for the greater good.

What we’re seeing now is likely something that would have happened irrespective of who the President was, we’d just get less memes about it.

Trump can say whatever he likes about reopening the economy, but I just can’t see how it happens on May 1st given what’s going on there at the moment, no way do they have a lid on this in ~ 2-3 weeks.

But again, it’s driven by their population and their obsessive desire with freedoms and economy. He’s selling normality and many people there will believe him, and would actively want it to happen even.

Research led by the University of Barcelona showed the presence of the virus in samples of wastewater in Barcelona in March 2019 .... *

* https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1192756.shtml

Wading through the sewage, good work Sherlock !!

 

[knife]

How about flu rate overseas? Any news there?

Not sure for overseas, but in Australia it's a huge drop year-on-year. The stats can be seen at http://www9.health.gov.au/cda/source/rpt_3.cfm and https://www.immunisationcoalition.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/22Jun-Aust-Flu-Stats-2020.pdf

We were trending to have a similar year as last, which was considered a bad year. As you can see from the stats we had very similar numbers for the Flu in Jan and Feb 2020 as we did in Jan and Feb 2019. So far for the month of June 2020, Australia wide, we've had 138 cases of lab confirmed flu cases compared to 57937 for June 2019.

My understanding is each person getting tested for covid-19, has their sample tested for flu as well.

 

[The Passenger]

If it has a mortality rate similar to the flu then it has an infection rate that is 20 times worse. Which means its 20 times as deadly.

It's incredible how this simple piece of arithmetic has failed to register with the dullards on this board.

 

[Total Power]

stop lying

Covid 19 has a flu like mortality rate

You are just not very smart, re-read what Seeds said again before button mashing.

 

[Les Malone]

It's incredible how this simple piece of arithmetic has failed to register with the dullards on this board.

incorrect, the dullards stick with all the tired old WHO and MSM incorrect mortality rates that push the hysterical narrative.

Also incorrect around infection rates.

 

[Les Malone]

It's incredible how this simple piece of arithmetic has failed to register with the dullards on this board.

another professional calling out the BS

The tragic failure of science and the immunology behind Covid19. Prof. Beda Stadler and Ramon Bril - Café Weltschmerz

Beda Stadler, former director of the immunology department of Bern university speaks out on the corona hysteria around the globe. Not much makes sense, especially because so many obviously false …

www.cafeweltschmerz.nl

 

[The Passenger]

Yes yes conspiracy, deep state, doctors destroying the world, George Soros. Got it

 

[Les Malone]

Yes yes conspiracy, deep state, doctors destroying the world, George Soros. Got it

This pandemic like any pandemic is measured by the mortality rate, that is the over riding, over arching concern - the amount of deaths.

We were initially told 5%

then WHO told us 3.4%

which became 3%

then 2%

then around 1%

then around 0.5%

now the CDC estimates 0.26%

that number will drop again, i have no doubt

so covid 19 is 20 times less lethal than what we were told and locked down on

the latest CDC estimate is ball park flu levels and not worthy of locking down on

you are more likely to die from the flu if you are a kid, pregnant or anyone aged under 65/70

not sure how any of that is conspiratorial

it seems more likely you are the one mired in conspiracy

 

[Mofra]

What happens when you ignore the experts...

Scientists who warned about symptomless spreading were ignored

The global total of known coronavirus cases hit a bleak total of 10 million overnight, but its spread could have contained and tens of thousands of lives could have been saved if the world had paid attention to one team of scientists in Germany.

www.news.com.au

The global total of known coronavirus cases hit a bleak total of 10 million overnight, but its spread could have contained and tens of thousands of lives could have been saved if the world had paid attention to one team of scientists in Germany.

Back in January, a Munich team discovered that the virus was spreading between people with no symptoms but the world wasn’t listening to them.
Health officials and political leaders played down or denied the risk of symptomless spreading, while leading health agencies including the World Health Organisation often provided contradictory and misleading advice.

Dr Camilla Rothe — who is an infectious disease specialist at Munich University Hospital — told the New York Times she was told by experts around the world, despite her discoveries, that only people with symptoms could spread the coronavirus.

“People who know much more about coronaviruses than I do were absolutely sure,” she said.

 

[Present Not Past]

This pandemic like any pandemic is measured by the mortality rate, that is the over riding, over arching concern - the amount of deaths.

Wrong.
This pandemic has been measured from Day one by it's infection rate.

 

[Les Malone]

What happens when you ignore the experts...

Scientists who warned about symptomless spreading were ignored

The global total of known coronavirus cases hit a bleak total of 10 million overnight, but its spread could have contained and tens of thousands of lives could have been saved if the world had paid attention to one team of scientists in Germany.

www.news.com.au

listen from 17.00 or so on for a couple of minutes, ....

The tragic failure of science and the immunology behind Covid19. Prof. Beda Stadler and Ramon Bril - Café Weltschmerz

Beda Stadler, former director of the immunology department of Bern university speaks out on the corona hysteria around the globe. Not much makes sense, especially because so many obviously false …

www.cafeweltschmerz.nl

i would be interested to know how scientists actually discovered a virus spreading that had no symptons and then managed to pass it on

 

[Seeds]

incorrect, the dullards stick with all the tired old WHO and MSM incorrect mortality rates that push the hysterical narrative.

Also incorrect around infection rates.

If the mortality rates are lower than being reported than the infection rates have to be higher. You get this is basic maths right? Unless ofcourse you have gone cockoo crazy and denying the deaths of people being buried in the ground as some sort of lizard people flat earth conspiracy.

 

[Les Malone]

If the mortality rates are lower than being reported than the infection rates have to be higher. You get this is basic maths right? Unless ofcourse you have gone cockoo crazy and denying the deaths of people being buried in the ground as some sort of lizard people flat earth conspiracy.

you just haven't payed attention one iota, the latest CDC figure is 0.26%,

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) is a virus (more specifically, a coronavirus) identified as the cause of an outbreak of respiratory illness first detected in Wuhan, China.

web.archive.org

look at the fatality rate 0.004 (0.4) its best case scenario, not lowest case scenario

then this .....



that is not even working on any assumption about how they count corona deaths!!

none of that is conspiracy, its cold clear info from the highest authority on the subject in the US

that is ball park flu mortality rates

 

[Marcel Proust]

Australian economy will need up to $90bn extra after coronavirus shock, report says

Grattan Institute says governments will have to phase out emergency support more slowly than planned

www.theguardian.com

I wonder who's picking up the bill.

 

[Seeds]

you just haven't payed attention one iota, the latest CDC figure is 0.26%,

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) is a virus (more specifically, a coronavirus) identified as the cause of an outbreak of respiratory illness first detected in Wuhan, China.

web.archive.org

look at the fatality rate 0.004 (0.4) its best case scenario, not lowest case scenario

then this .....



that is not even working on any assumption about how they count corona deaths!!

none of that is conspiracy, its cold clear info from the highest authority on the subject in the US

that is ball park flu mortality rates

128 thousand deaths in usa divided by 2.6 million infections gives you a mortality rate of 4.9 percent. You can make a case infections are multiple fold higher while deaths are only a small amount higher. But that doesnt change how deadly the disease is. Well actually it makes it a tad more deadly. And thats if we ignore the fact that if we measured covid deaths in the same way as flu deaths then covid deaths would be multiple times higher.

 

[Mofra]

128 thousand deaths in usa divided by 2.6 million infections gives you a mortality rate of 4.9 percent. You can make a case infections are multiple fold higher while deaths are only a small amount higher. But that doesnt change how deadly the disease is. Well actually it makes it a tad more deadly. And thats if we ignore the fact that if we measured covid deaths in the same way as flu deaths then covid deaths would be multiple times higher.

There are sick people in the US who don't bother presenting to hospital gven many are overrun and the cost involved.
If anything, this crisis has shown just how important universal healthcare is as a national policy.

 

[Les Malone]

128 thousand deaths in usa divided by 2.6 million infections gives you a mortality rate of 4.9 percent. You can make a case infections are multiple fold higher while deaths are only a small amount higher. But that doesnt change how deadly the disease is. Well actually it makes it a tad more deadly. And thats if we ignore the fact that if we measured covid deaths in the same way as flu deaths then covid deaths would be multiple times higher.

Absolutely serious delusion happening with this post, the CDC says you are so far wrong it is not funny.

if you have complaints about the mortality rate contact them, its their rate and that is 0.26

And that is ball park flu mortality rate no matter what you believe or post.

 

[Les Malone]

There are sick people in the US who don't bother presenting to hospital gven many are overrun and the cost involved.
If anything, this crisis has shown just how important universal healthcare is as a national policy.

oh yer ........

FACILITY NAME	LOCATION	CONTRACTOR	TOTAL COST	MAXIMUM BEDS UNDER CONTRACT*	TOTAL PATIENTS
SUNY Stony Brook	Stony Brook, N.Y.	Turner Construction Co.	$155,500,000	1,038	0
SUNY Old Westbury	Old Westbury, N.Y.	AECOM Technical Services Inc.	$118,504,737	1,022	0
McCormick Place	Chicago	Metropolitan Pier and Exposition Authority	$65,526,533	3,000	37
Westchester County Center	White Plains, N.Y.	Haugland Energy Group LLC	$46,971,895	100	0
Colorado Convention Center	Denver	ECC Environmental LLC	$34,609,792	2,000	0
Walter Washington Convention Center	Washington, D.C.	Hensel Phelps Construction Co.	$31,793,893	443	Not yet complete
Commercial Appeal Building	Memphis, Tenn.	AECOM Technical Services Inc.	$26,134,527	40	Not yet complete
Miami Beach Convention Center	Miami Beach, Fla.	The Robins & Morton Group	$25,925,692	450	0
Sherman Hospital	Elgin, Ill.	Turner Construction Co.	$18,255,251	283	0
Westlake Hospital	Melrose Park, Ill.	Bulley & Andrews	$16,391,366	314	0
MetroSouth Medical Center	Blue Island, Ill.	Clark Construction Group LLC	$14,989,955	350	0
Wisconsin State Fair Expo Center	West Allis, Wis.	Gilbane Inc.	$14,912,326	530	0
The Ranch Events Complex	Loveland, Colo.	AECOM Technical Services Inc.	$13,331,415	1,007	Not yet complete
Suburban Collection Showplace	Novi, Mich.	Gilbane Federal	$11,754,262	1,100	6
Javits Center	New York City	New York Convention Center Operating Corporation	$11,364,953	1,900	1,095
East Orange General Hospital	East Orange, N.J.	Cutting Edge Group LLC	$10,993,404	250	Not yet complete
TCF Center	Detroit	Gilbane Inc.	$9,452,813	1,000	39

 

[Present Not Past]

oh yer ........

FACILITY NAME	LOCATION	CONTRACTOR	TOTAL COST	MAXIMUM BEDS UNDER CONTRACT*	TOTAL PATIENTS
SUNY Stony Brook	Stony Brook, N.Y.	Turner Construction Co.	$155,500,000	1,038	0
SUNY Old Westbury	Old Westbury, N.Y.	AECOM Technical Services Inc.	$118,504,737	1,022	0
McCormick Place	Chicago	Metropolitan Pier and Exposition Authority	$65,526,533	3,000	37
Westchester County Center	White Plains, N.Y.	Haugland Energy Group LLC	$46,971,895	100	0
Colorado Convention Center	Denver	ECC Environmental LLC	$34,609,792	2,000	0
Walter Washington Convention Center	Washington, D.C.	Hensel Phelps Construction Co.	$31,793,893	443	Not yet complete
Commercial Appeal Building	Memphis, Tenn.	AECOM Technical Services Inc.	$26,134,527	40	Not yet complete
Miami Beach Convention Center	Miami Beach, Fla.	The Robins & Morton Group	$25,925,692	450	0
Sherman Hospital	Elgin, Ill.	Turner Construction Co.	$18,255,251	283	0
Westlake Hospital	Melrose Park, Ill.	Bulley & Andrews	$16,391,366	314	0
MetroSouth Medical Center	Blue Island, Ill.	Clark Construction Group LLC	$14,989,955	350	0
Wisconsin State Fair Expo Center	West Allis, Wis.	Gilbane Inc.	$14,912,326	530	0
The Ranch Events Complex	Loveland, Colo.	AECOM Technical Services Inc.	$13,331,415	1,007	Not yet complete
Suburban Collection Showplace	Novi, Mich.	Gilbane Federal	$11,754,262	1,100	6
Javits Center	New York City	New York Convention Center Operating Corporation	$11,364,953	1,900	1,095
East Orange General Hospital	East Orange, N.J.	Cutting Edge Group LLC	$10,993,404	250	Not yet complete
TCF Center	Detroit	Gilbane Inc.	$9,452,813	1,000	39

What is this?
Expo Centres?
Convention Centres?
I don't know about you but when I am considering being admitted to hospital I don't immediately think oh well now I'm off to the local Bunnings.
However, you must have a very different experience of what health is.

 

[Les Malone]

What is this?
Expo Centres?
Convention Centres?
I don't know about you but when I am considering being admitted to hospital I don't immediately think oh well now I'm off to the local Bunnings.
However, you must have a very different experience of what health is.

These field hospitals were constructed or buildings fitted out for the pandemic but never used or rarely used because they were not needed because hospitals in most places were not over run.

i thought it was pretty easy to follow!.

if the hospital was full and you were crook why would you complain?

 

[Present Not Past]

These field hospitals were constructed or buildings fitted out for the pandemic but never used or rarely used because they were not needed because hospitals in most places were not over run.

i thought it was pretty easy to follow!.

if the hospital was full and you were crook why would you complain?

Then why not provide statistics about the actual hospitals? Makes too much sense?

 

[Les Malone]

Then why not provide statistics about the actual hospitals? Makes too much sense?

if you are that interested do it yourself, they can't have been to bad as the field hospitals were rarely used

 

[Present Not Past]

if you are that interested do it yourself, they can't have been to bad as the field hospitals were rarely used

Just because patients aren't spilling out into the carpark doesn't mean a hospital isn't flat out.
Any professional medical person would do everything in their power to avoid that occuring.

 

[Les Malone]

Nobel prize winner Michael Levitt ..... "virus that is exactly as dangerous as the flu"

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

That's what happens when you rely on modelling, climate alarmists.