Mega Thread Zaharakis! The Not quite so Needleless One

[Sydney Bloods]

I think he made up the scared of needles s**t to avoid peer pressure.

Good man, smart man.

 

[wicksy]

Well done OP, everybody has seen your massively interesting and thought provoking point, lucky you didn't post it in one of the million other threads, everybody might have missed it, and we wouldn't want that.

I think it was a very valid point. Keep deflecting.

#standbyhirdandriskgettinginjected

 

[tigerdan]

I picked this up also- indicated there is one other player.

Would be so funny if it was Riemers.

Or Lonergan / Monfries

 

[Joe Johnson]

All of a sudden zaharakis suffers from trypanophobia and belovaphobia???

Easy to check this spin from the bombers. Talk to zaharakis, or better still talk to his dentist

 

[Joe Johnson]

Now McVeigh on SEN. Please stop talking to this guy.

Spike should keep on talking.

He is leaving a very detailed trail of spin behind him.

 

[evo]

Nest stop: Herald Sun Social Pages

Muppet.

that was one of the best bits about last night. He literally looked like a muppet. Well, a Thunderbird anyway.

I love that he and Lloyd are the insiders in charge of selling the Essendon story on TV. Hanke-level genius!

 

[Oneiros]

All hail the Needless One! Dodger of the Sharpie!

 

[PrideOf]

Dustin Fletcher and Hille are mentioned on Adelaide radio last weekend as non participants as well but I don't think it has been officially confirmed by them.

So Zaharakis doesn't like pricks. Are you saying Fletcher and Hille don't either?

 

[Blueboiiz]

Rumour is Davey is also clean , when about to get injected he dived to avoid contact.

 

[AC for PM]

Winderlich the other player scared of peer pressure needles according to Caro.

 

[Satan]

More Essendon spin

 

[AFLQLD]

All of a sudden zaharakis suffers from trypanophobia and belovaphobia???

Easy to check this spin from the bombers. Talk to zaharakis, or better still talk to his dentist

Zaharakis suffers from Dankophobia - fear of tossers with syringes.

 

[Joe Johnson]

Zaharakis suffers from Dankophobia - fear of tossers with syringes.

No doubt the EFC spin machine cant afford any of its players actually refusing to be involved in the doping program based on moral objections etc. Had to be a fluke, like not liking needles. Word has it Zaharakis decided to opt out because he valued the advice of certain family members who he shared his concerns with. That makes a lot more sense to me than a fear of being pricked. I would like to hear what his dentist has to say when David visits for a root canal job

 

[Boywonder]

So Zaharakis doesn't like pricks. Are you saying Fletcher and Hille don't either?

Have a look at Fletcher. He's hardly muscled up like Mr Universe now is he.

Essendon Finals side

B: Kommer, Zaharakis, Goddard
HB: Kommer, Zaharakis, Goddard
C: Kommer, Zaharakis, Goddard
HF: Kommer, Zaharakis, Goddard
F: Kommer, Zaharakis, Goddard
Foll: Kommer, Zaharakis, Goddard
Inter: Kommer, Zaharakis, Goddard

Captain Zaharakis. Vice Captain: Goddard. Deputy Vice Captain: Kommer.
Coach: Fletcher

 

[Boywonder]

So Zaharakis doesn't like pricks. Are you saying Fletcher and Hille don't either?

Zaharakis doesn't like McVeigh, another little prick!
Seconded by Kyle Reimers.

 

[Trent85]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...anti-ageing-drug/story-fni5f6kv-1226690763044

BOMBERS star David Zaharakis was allegedly given an anti-ageing drug whose status is unclear as part of the Bombers' 2012 supplement regime.
Despite claims Zaharakis, 23, was not part of the Bombers' controversial program, the Herald Sun has confirmed there are allegations he was given the capsule TA-65

Anti-ageing doctor Robin Willcourt, who worked with Dank during his time with Essendon and is a strong promoter of TA-65, insists it has no performance-enhancing properties and believes it should not be banned.
The sports medicine specialist recently appointed by Essendon to review its supplement program, Andrew Garnham, said there should be no doubt it was clear for athletes to use.
"TA-65 is regarded as safe and not prohibited," he said.
"While a number of unproven claims have been made about TA-65, there has been no suggestion that it has a performance-enhancing effect."
He said TA-65 was readily available in the US, its place of manufacture.
"There is no reason to think TA-65 is prohibited," Dr Garnham said.
But ASADA appears unsure. The authority is waiting on word from the World Anti-Doping Agency if TA-65 should be prohibited.
WADA is assessing that drug, and a range of others, for possible inclusion on its list of banned substances
TA-65 is not registered with the Therapeutic Goods Administration.

 

[myyakhasfleas]

Zaharakis! The capsuled one?

 

[Chameleon75]

Another thing spoken about on bodybuilding sites that aren't proven to work.

 

[Ferdinand Lewis]

I hope he doesn't get cancer

 

[NarklesHelmet]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...anti-ageing-drug/story-fni5f6kv-1226690763044

BOMBERS star David Zaharakis was allegedly given an anti-ageing drug whose status is unclear as part of the Bombers' 2012 supplement regime.
Despite claims Zaharakis, 23, was not part of the Bombers' controversial program, the Herald Sun has confirmed there are allegations he was given the capsule TA-65

Anti-ageing doctor Robin Willcourt, who worked with Dank during his time with Essendon and is a strong promoter of TA-65, insists it has no performance-enhancing properties and believes it should not be banned.
The sports medicine specialist recently appointed by Essendon to review its supplement program, Andrew Garnham, said there should be no doubt it was clear for athletes to use.
"TA-65 is regarded as safe and not prohibited," he said.
"While a number of unproven claims have been made about TA-65, there has been no suggestion that it has a performance-enhancing effect."
He said TA-65 was readily available in the US, its place of manufacture.
"There is no reason to think TA-65 is prohibited," Dr Garnham said.
But ASADA appears unsure. The authority is waiting on word from the World Anti-Doping Agency if TA-65 should be prohibited.
WADA is assessing that drug, and a range of others, for possible inclusion on its list of banned substances
TA-65 is not registered with the Therapeutic Goods Administration.

What is it with people having their own opinions on what should or shouldn't be banned? Since this investigation started you hear people debating whether AOD should or shouldn't be banned or if it is/isn't performance enhancing. It doesn't matter. If WADA say it is banned, then there is a problem for any individual/team that have taken the substance. There seems so many attempts by the PR spin-doctors to muddy waters about substances, then you hear from the likes of Dr Peter Brukner and the head of WADA, who are the most qualified, and it is clear-cut that the Bombers should be in trouble for what they have done.

These spin-doctors the Bombers hired to muddy the waters have a lot to answer for. They have tricked Bombers fans into believing that the case is more "complicated" than it really is and created a monster with regard to the way their fans have put their heads in the sand (aided by the weird cult of personality that surrounds Hird) and, in the process, annoyed pretty much every non-Essendon fan as we can see how transparant their campaign has been and how Essendon fans have absolutely lost the plot (as they should really be outraged at their own club for letting this happen). Essendon truly have brought the game into disrepute for orchestrating this ridiculous PR campaign after the press conference where they were, rightly, ashamed to have lost control of their sports-science department and asked for help.

 

[campbell]

What is it with people having their own opinions on what should or shouldn't be banned? Since this investigation started you hear people debationg whether AOD should or shouldn't be banned or if it is/isn't performance enhancing. It doesn't matter. If WADA say it is banned, then there is a problem for any individual/team that have taken the substance. There seems so many attempts by the PR spin-doctors to muddy waters about substances, then you hear from the likes of Dr Peter Brukner and the head of WADA, who are the most qualified, and it is clear-cut that the Bombers should be in trouble for what they have done.

These spin-doctors the Bombers hired to muddy the waters have a lot to answer for. They have tricked Bombers fans into believing that the case is more "complicated" than it really is and created a monster with regard to the way their fans have put their heads in the sand (aided by the weird cult of personality that surrounds Hird) and, in the process, annoyed pretty much every non-Essendon fan as we can see how transperant their campaign has been and how Essendon fans have absolutely lost the plot (as they should really be outraged at their own club for letting this happen). Essendon truly have brought the game into disrepute for orchestrating this ridiculous PR campaign after the press conference where they were, rightly, ashamed to have lost control of their sports-science department and asked for help.

Or could of not lost control, could it be a carefully planned thing. that win at all costs mentality with risk mitigation for any eventuation including asada involvement.
Imo the waters are muddied and contrived since the first press conference. Silly imo to attack afl though.
Imo we will never know the truth.

 

[yakka man]

Zaharakis - "I don't like needles But get me some of them TA-65 Anti-Aging pills! "

 

[Keys]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...anti-ageing-drug/story-fni5f6kv-1226690763044

BOMBERS star David Zaharakis was allegedly given an anti-ageing drug whose status is unclear as part of the Bombers' 2012 supplement regime.
Despite claims Zaharakis, 23, was not part of the Bombers' controversial program, the Herald Sun has confirmed there are allegations he was given the capsule TA-65

Anti-ageing doctor Robin Willcourt, who worked with Dank during his time with Essendon and is a strong promoter of TA-65, insists it has no performance-enhancing properties and believes it should not be banned.
The sports medicine specialist recently appointed by Essendon to review its supplement program, Andrew Garnham, said there should be no doubt it was clear for athletes to use.
"TA-65 is regarded as safe and not prohibited," he said.
"While a number of unproven claims have been made about TA-65, there has been no suggestion that it has a performance-enhancing effect."
He said TA-65 was readily available in the US, its place of manufacture.
"There is no reason to think TA-65 is prohibited," Dr Garnham said.
But ASADA appears unsure. The authority is waiting on word from the World Anti-Doping Agency if TA-65 should be prohibited.
WADA is assessing that drug, and a range of others, for possible inclusion on its list of banned substances
TA-65 is not registered with the Therapeutic Goods Administration.

So according to Dr Willcourt TA-65, whatever it is, is not performance enhancing

Fair enough he'd know far more about it than me

The question is then, why bother taking it if it doesn't do anything

It's a serious question - where is the line where a substance crosses from being a non PED to a PED

 

[jenny61_99]

So according to Dr Willcourt TA-65, whatever it is, is not performance enhancing

Fair enough he'd know far more about it than me

The question is then, why bother taking it if it doesn't do anything

It's a serious question - where is the line where a substance crosses from being a non PED to a PED

There are issues over this drug possibly causing early-onset of cancer. God I get so mad at Hird and dank when I think what these young men have been put through - whatever it takes.

 

[gutsroy]

So according to Dr Willcourt TA-65, whatever it is, is not performance enhancing

Fair enough he'd know far more about it than me

The question is then, why bother taking it if it doesn't do anything

It's a serious question - where is the line where a substance crosses from being a non PED to a PED

There are claims that subjects reported improved energy, perceived improved exercise performance, but looks like a dodgy qualitative survey to justify marketing claims:
http://www.ta65doctor.com/blog/2013/02/09/preliminary-results-of-our-ta-65-users-survey/

But your point is well made - athletes take these things on advice / in the expectation of performance benefits, then argue post hoc that there is no performance enhancement effect.