Zipping

[cleveland]

The last few years i have made a rule never to select a horse to back in the cup untill Derby Day. That was one of the best Cup trials i have seen in a long time today. Although he has drawn barrier 22 i still think he will be too good on the day. As long as he isn't last into the straight he will win, he just needs to be put to sleep 1 out somewhere around the 3/4 mark of the field.


Get on

 

[haywood jablome]

These types of horses always end in disaster mate, they look good on the eye but always fall short. Zipping will be to far back and all it takes is one front runner to "ping" and its all over.. Zipping requires to much luck. The only thing in his favour is Mahler who should put some extreme pace into the race, rather than the sprint - sit - sprint format the cup usually follows.

 

[cleveland]

These types of horses always end in disaster mate, they look good on the eye but always fall short. Zipping will be to far back and all it takes is one front runner to "ping" and its all over.. Zipping requires to much luck. The only thing in his favour is Mahler who should put some extreme pace into the race, rather than the sprint - sit - sprint format the cup usually follows.

I have never been more certain in my life

 

[Catman]

Looks like starz is getting a few of his fellow Bulldog fans to jump on the bandwagon.

 

[cleveland]

Looks like starz is getting his a few of his fellow Bulldog fans to jump on the bandwagon.

Isn't this a punting forum???????? Aren't you meant to talk about horse racing?????????????

 

[Catman]

Isn't this a punting forum???????? Aren't you meant to talk about horse racing?????????????

Whooooosh.

 

[haywood jablome]

I have never been more certain in my life

That's a major worry.. All I will say to you is that if it looks to good to be true, then it is. I will happily eat my words and apologize if Zipping wins the Melbourne Cup. In my eyes he hasn't shown enough to convince me he is capable. His racing style doesn't suit the Melbourne Cup and I believe there are horses in the race that are suited better. If you are so certain it will win then go load up on it and take a picture for proof. I would be having cold sweats the night before, depending on a horse that is a back marker for the Melbourne Cup is hoping for trouble. So many things can happen in such a massive field, gets blocked, checked you name it. Then all the "hard luck" stories will flood in about the barrier and the track.

 

[cleveland]

That's a major worry.. All I will say to you is that if it looks to good to be true, then it is. I will happily eat my words and apologize if Zipping wins the Melbourne Cup. In my eyes he hasn't shown enough to convince me he is capable. His racing style doesn't suit the Melbourne Cup and I believe there are horses in the race that are suited better. If you are so certain it will win then go load up on it and take a picture for proof. I would be having cold sweats the night before, depending on a horse that is a back marker for the Melbourne Cup is hoping for trouble. So many things can happen in such a massive field, gets blocked, checked you name it. Then all the "hard luck" stories will flood in about the barrier and the track.

I'm not a big punter so will probably only have $50 on the nose

 

[Fadge]

I'm not a big punter so will probably only have $50 on the nose

Great to see it second fave at $8 - one of the first we can all draw a line through when we're looking for a winner. Keep talking it up...

 

[Fadge]

The last few years i have made a rule never to select a horse to back in the cup untill Derby Day. That was one of the best Cup trials i have seen in a long time today. Although he has drawn barrier 22 i still think he will be too good on the day. As long as he isn't last into the straight he will win, he just needs to be put to sleep 1 out somewhere around the 3/4 mark of the field.


Get on

The Princess for one has beaten it home the last two times they've raced and you can still get three points more on her...

 

[Angus1]

Zipping does have a big finish but he always finishes like that yet still never wins.
The reason is he sits back near last and does no work whatsoever then sprints the last 400 in record time. Looks great seeing a horse flying down the outside but how often does he keep hitting the line and take the lead?

Compare that to a Master O'Reilly type who also sits back but who is able to work himself into a better position before striking. Zipping can't do that but with his big finish he is capable of getting a place at least and if everything goes his way then who knows but it isn't likely considering where he will be coming from in such a big feild.

 

[The Dustbin]

Zipping has been racing back in his last two starts because Lloyd is teaching the horse to settle and relax (Drawing bad barriers in his last two starts hasn't helped either). The Melb Cup has been his target since last years Cup run (Where he over raced a tad, was up on the pace and finished 4th). No doubt the horse would've run closer to the pace on Tues had it drawn a decent barrier...

Remember last year Zipping only finished 6 lens behind Delta Blues and only raises 1.5kg. This years field is alot weaker. Nowhere near the depth like last year. Zipping is going well if not better then last year.

All his runs this prep. have been good. A soft track and the 3200m isn't a problem. The barrier may pose a few probs, but it is a 1200m run into the first turn. I have faith in Nikolic finding a position before the first turn.

Whilst not brimming with confidence. I think Zipping will be in the finish with 200m to go.

 

[The Dustbin]

The Princess for one has beaten it home the last two times they've raced and you can still get three points more on her...

Has she? When was the other time?

Zipping gave her a 10 length start at the 500m mark to close within 1/2 a length. Pretty much untouched my Nikolic.

Having said that I always have respect for NZ mares in the Cup.

 

[Bobby Beecroft]

Has she? When was the other time?

Zipping gave her a 10 length start at the 500m mark to close within 1/2 a length. Pretty much untouched my Nikolic.

Having said that I always have respect for NZ mares in the Cup.

One horse/connections had the courage to put itself into the race.
The other didn't & was entilted to run on.
Very much like Marching v. the other spruiked horses from the Caulfield Guineas leading into the AAMI Vase.

To all the Zipping fans where will be in the run from 22?
Seems a bit of each way to me.
It only drops out when it draws poorly....... well it has again.
& then its but last year it ran 4th from 19 while on the pace.

So which will it be?

 

[The Dustbin]

One horse/connections had the courage to put itself into the race.
The other didn't & was entilted to run on.
Very much like Marching v. the other spruiked horses from the Caulfield Guineas leading into the AAMI Vase.

To all the Zipping fans where will be in the run from 22?
Seems a bit of each way to me.
It only drops out when it draws poorly....... well it has again.
& then its but last year it ran 4th from 19 while on the pace.

So which will it be?

I don't know where Nikolic will position Zipping. The horse is adapatable and has shown it can race on the pace or from behind.

Zipping is peaking and has been set for this race for the last 12 months.

 

[Bobby Beecroft]

I don't know where Nikolic will position Zipping. The horse is adapatable and has shown it can race on the pace or from behind.

Can he win if on the pace & 3 wide?

I think there might be a couple of horses in the field that may have been set for the race. It is the Cup.
Some just not going as well as others though, is probably the more valid point.

 

[Bobby Beecroft]

Remember last year Zipping only finished 6 lens behind Delta Blues and only raises 1.5kg. This years field is alot weaker. Nowhere near the depth like last year. Zipping is going well if not better then last year.

Maybe Better ran 3rd last year.
Master O'Reilly 2007 Spring vs Maybe Better 2007 Spring.
May not be the depth, but there's one obvious obstacle.

PS. Not knocking Zipping, & think its a chance.
But there are some questions that are entitled to be asked.

 

[Hands & Heels]

Don't worry, it raced on Saturday exactly the way Lloyd wanted it to be raced.

I suspect it will still sit back from the barrier, but not as far as it was on Saturday, perhaps 3 quarters of the way in the field.

I'm very confident it wins, but any odds under $8 may well be too far unders - there are a lot of others that must also be respected.

 

[True_Believer]

I am waiting with baited breath for the "Melbourne Cup True Odds' thread......surely Zipping will be in the red.

 

[fearlessone77]

Zipping will be $1.30 in the True Odds Thread.

Having said that I am on it and Maybe Better for teh cup so I shouldnt be too hasty in my pasting of starz albeit he is a tool.

 

[thecarpetsnake]

The Princess for one has beaten it home the last two times they've raced and you can still get three points more on her...

Agreed. Princess is much better value. Currently $6 better on betfair. I know they're not sure she'll stay the trip, but the same applies to Zipping. Neither are really bred to do it.

The only reason Zipping didn't get closer last year is because he didn't quite run out 3200.

 

[The Dustbin]

Can he win if on the pace & 3 wide?

I think there might be a couple of horses in the field that may have been set for the race. It is the Cup.
Some just not going as well as others though, is probably the more valid point.

On the pace and three wide is not ideal and would be a tough ask for Zipping to win from there. However pending on how much the track chops up during the day it may be an advantage of being 1 or 2 horses off the fence.

 

[The Dustbin]

Maybe Better ran 3rd last year.
Master O'Reilly 2007 Spring vs Maybe Better 2007 Spring.
May not be the depth, but there's one obvious obstacle.

PS. Not knocking Zipping, & think its a chance.
But there are some questions that are entitled to be asked.

Maybe Better has a question over his fitness. I think it is fair to say he is not going as well as last year. A good lay.

 

[Bobby Beecroft]

On the pace and three wide is not ideal and would be a tough ask for Zipping to win from there. However pending on how much the track chops up during the day it may be an advantage of being 1 or 2 horses off the fence.

Agreed getting cover may well be the more important aspect.

Amazing to think that the Cup will likely be on an affected track (likely to be survival type race) & the breeding of the 1st 2 favs are O'Reilly & Danehill.
The fav in the Derby was a Commands.
I liked the run of Royale Harmony for the Oaks a Choisir.

Either we the punters have it all wrong or the breeding world has gone mad.

 

[The Dustbin]

Agreed getting cover may well be the more important aspect.

Amazing to think that the Cup will likely be on an affected track (likely to be survival type race) & the breeding of the 1st 2 favs are O'Reilly & Danehill.
The fav in the Derby was a Commands.
I liked the run of Royale Harmony for the Oaks a Choisir.

Either we the punters have it all wrong or the breeding world has gone mad.

The breeding world has gone mad. Us punters are never wrong!