Politics Bob Carr - Gillard Govt foreign policy "subcontracted" to Melbourne Jewish lobby

[MaddAdam]

Former foreign minister Bob Carr has suggested Julia Gillard’s dogged insistence on supporting Israel in a controversial United Nations vote was because Australian foreign policy had been “subcontracted” to Jewish donors.

In a new biography about his 18 months as foreign minister, Carr reveals deep tensions within Labor over foreign policy and intimate details of his conversations with foreign leaders - including an April 2012 meeting with David Miliband who was “pessimistic about British Labour being led by ‘brother’ Ed”.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/09/bob-carr--gillard-foreign-policy-jewish-donors

 

[slicedndiced]

But, but, but...it's the Muslims that we should be worrying about.

 

[evo]

Honorable member for Melbourne Ports

 

[samFFC]

Wow:

 

[telsor]

So all in the ALP who support Israel are bought and paid for, but all who oppose Israel do so out of a pure heart and conscience?

I wonder what side of the argument bought the person who made that statement.

 

[clogged]

Wow:

^Fairfax's coverage not much better.

 

[Lester Burnham]

Mr Rudd laments on how so few hold power in Australia.

“[Mr Rudd] reflects on how few people run the country: the Murdoch media, the heads of Rio and BHP, probably the heads of the big banks, and ‘that mob’, by which he means the hard-line… pro-Israel lobby in Melbourne.”​

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-po...d-kevin-rudd-for-mistakes-20140409-zqsso.html

 

[Dont be a lemon]

Unsurprising revelation

Current foreign minister was talking pro-Zionist filth on Insiders.

 

[MaddAdam]

I never understood where Gillard got her fanatical Zionism from.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

This is interesting to say the least, especially contrasted with Carr's past as Washington's "inside man" during the Whitlam era!

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...hingtons-man-in-australia-20130408-2hgut.html

Previously secret US embassy and consulate reports incorporated into a new searchable database unveiled by WikiLeaks on Monday reveal that Mr Carr was a source for US diplomats seeking information on the Whitlam government and the broader Labor movement in the mid-1970s.

Then a rising star in NSW Labor, Mr Carr was quick to join in criticism of prime minister Gough Whitlam as the federal Labor Government encountered growing political and economic difficulties after the May 1974 federal election.

In August 1974, the US Embassy in Canberra reported at length on what it described as "a pervasive sense of gloom and anxiety" as the Whitlam government “struggle[d] in [a] disorganised fashion to stem growing inflation”.

Together with NSW Labor president John Ducker, Mr Carr candidly told the US consul-general in Sydney that "economic policy has never been Whitlam's bag" and criticised the prime minister's "tendency to delegate practically everything".

A former Australian Young Labor president and then education officer with the NSW Labor Council, Mr Carr later "expressed deep concern to [the US] consul general over [the] impact of Labor disputes on the prospects of [the] Labor Government".

Asked about his 1970s contacts with US diplomats, Senator Carr said on Monday: "I was in my 20s. I could have said anything."

The once-confidential cables also suggest that US diplomats turned to Mr Carr as a source of background information on Labor political figures: for example Mr Carr explained that a speaker at a pro-Palestinian demonstration in 1975 – left-wing Labor parliamentarian George Petersen – was "a NSW equivalent of Victoria's [Bill] Hartley".

Senator Carr has long been a very strong supporter of Australia's alliance with the United States and has a keen interest in US politics and history.

In his early conversations with US officials, he appears to have followed the lead of Mr Ducker, his NSW Labor right faction mentor, who advised the US on industrial relations issues and internal Labor politics, and dismissed critics of the US alliance as being engaged in "emotional, silly expression lacking in substance and characteristic of the silly left-wing fringe of the ALP".

US embassy cables leaked to WikiLeaks in 2010 revealed that another senior NSW Labor right faction leader, former Senator Mark Arbib, was a more recent "protected" US embassy source providing inside information and commentary on Labor politics...

I mean, it's good that he's exposing nefarious influences on Australian foreign policy in the modern era but come on. He sold out his Party, his Government and his Nation as a Washington shill in the 1970s!

 

[RandB]

Why does he have to be branded a bigot for his troubles though?

We all have a history (to quote Mark Neeld after Robbo brought up his playing days) and we can shape opinions based on that. Carr certainly isn't squeaky clean but some words are flown around all too easily when people hear things they don't want to hear.

 

[Juddism]

Why does he have to be branded a bigot for his troubles though?

We all have a history (to quote Mark Neeld after Robbo brought up his playing days) and we can shape opinions based on that. Carr certainly isn't squeaky clean but some words are flown around all too easily when people hear things they don't want to hear.

because Danby isn't intelligent enough to come up with anything else..why the hell is debate about Israel so protected?

 

[clogged]

Carr should be prosecuted under 18(C) for offensive and hurtful hate speech.

 

[Ripper]

Carr should be prosecuted under 18(C) for offensive and hurtful hate speech.

That's why 18C has to go. It does the Jews no favours either as it gives the perception that they are a protected species.

 

[Gough]

Good of him to compare himself to Kissinger and Al Haig in his press conference this morning, nice to see that he's doing this to educate the population rather than stroke his ego as well.

 

[blackcat]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/09/bob-carr--gillard-foreign-policy-jewish-donors

Abbott has always been bumchums with Colin Rubenstein. famously/infamously emailing/texting CR asking him "how do you like that Colin?".
http://www.smh.com.au/national/tony...ts-upsetting-palestinians-20131124-2y434.html

It certainly does not reconcile with BA SAntamaria's position on Israel and Palestine, who clearly was from "they stole it" camp, whilst maintaining that Israel did own a historical fact sovereignty that should not be repealed

 

[blackcat]

Good of him to compare himself to Kissinger and Al Haig in his press conference this morning, nice to see that he's doing this to educate the population rather than stroke his ego as well.

how about Bob Carr getting a hardon when invited to Kissingers pad in the hamptons or some hobnobbing high snor'iety society (sic)

 

[blackcat]

This is interesting to say the least, especially contrasted with Carr's past as Washington's "inside man" during the Whitlam era!



I mean, it's good that he's exposing nefarious influences on Australian foreign policy in the modern era but come on. He sold out his Party, his Government and his Nation as a Washington shill in the 1970s!

see my signature.

that aint the steroid head from biggest loser. it is Carr's quote from todays Age, if you believe that. I find it tought to believe, but its damn funny.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

I reckon he might think of himself as a finely-sculpted Adonis. In an age where shadowy figures are at the wheel of many a foreign agenda you gotta wonder who's really driving the Carr?

 

[blackcat]

I reckon he might think of himself as a finely-sculpted Adonis. In an age where shadowy figures are at the wheel of many a foreign agenda you gotta wonder who's really driving the Carr?

listen to the circle jerk, listen to the circle jerk, listen listen listen.

i reckon carr could rival rudd for hubris and narcissism
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/latenightlive/reading-the-classics/3273920

 

[MaddAdam]

because Danby isn't intelligent enough to come up with anything else..why the hell is debate about Israel so protected?

Danby getting hysterical saying that Carr was "plucked from obscurity" having been a former provincial premier.

Ummm, Carr was the very long serving premier of the nation's most populous state. He'd also conducted a huge review of the party. He was internationally known and respected and a great candidate as FM.

I think history will remember Carr as the far more infuential figure than Danby.

I'd also like the Melbourne pro Israel lobby to explain just how it was that one of its scions in Ben Zygier ended up betraying Australia and placing Australian citizens in grave danger by stealing passports and using his Australian passport to engage in espionage on behalf of a foreign power.

There's a word for people like Zygier: traitors.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

listen to the circle jerk, listen to the circle jerk, listen listen listen.
i reckon carr could rival rudd for hubris and narcissism
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/latenightlive/reading-the-classics/3273920

Da man got ego! He wrote his memoirs not too long ago...

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...gn-ministers-diva-demands-20140409-zqspi.html

...He also gained exquisite pleasure from chairing a successful meeting (“I’m the best chairman I know”); wearing Hermes ties; spinning through numerous media interviews (“I have more energy than 16 gladiators”) and from projecting his “masterly” baritone voice (“I am Foreign Minister… I soar above the mundane and serve my country.”)

Carr alludes to the Senate scrutiny and media reports of his extravagant travel bill and demands for exotic foodstuffs.

But he is unapologetic, and the diary records the eccentricities incessantly, in between details of intelligence briefings, cabinet meetings and inside accounts of global gatherings of the world’s leaders.
He even publishes, in full, a letter from the Singapore Airlines regional vice president, responding to complaints the former foreign minister made about the quality of the inflight entertainment.

“Please accept my sincere apology if any part of our First Class inflight offering fell below your expectations,” the vice president wrote.

“Specifically, I have taken note of the lack of English subtitles for the Wagner Opera Siegfried.”
Carr is scathing of business class travel. “ No edible food. No airline pyjamas … I lie in my tailored suit.”

The sleeping pods were arranged in a “design that owes a lot to the transatlantic slave trade,” he laments.

Even upgrades to first class were demeaning. It was “pathetic that the public service rules reduce me to that, an upgrade for a middle-power foreign minister,” he writes...

Wonder if he's a Skyhooks fan?

 

[little graham]

I mean, it's good that he's exposing nefarious influences on Australian foreign policy in the modern era but come on. He sold out his Party, his Government and his Nation as a Washington shill in the 1970s!

In context, in the 70's we were at war with socialism and the labor party was as socialist as you're legally allowed to get. He chose one side of a civil war in a civil war. The only people who didn't sell out their country was loyal socialists. In fact its fair to say that there was no Australians in the liberal party

 

[Contra Mundum]

listen to the circle jerk, listen to the circle jerk, listen listen listen.

i reckon carr could rival rudd for hubris and narcissism
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/latenightlive/reading-the-classics/3273920

I spat out my beer about three times when he was interviewed on the 7.30 programme. On the "Israeli lobby" - wow what a revelation - he summed it up well when he said "they have to win big, comprehensively, all the time"

I am surprised he could tear himself away from the mirror long enough to write the memoir - to compare himself to Kissinger - got them out of Vietnam, Started Detente with China, and got the first SALT treaty through in one year is indicative of how delusional he is (PS - no fan of Kissinger)

Also who edited it - who gives a * about his ******* exercise and diet regimen!!!

 

[Contra Mundum]

I never understood where Gillard got her fanatical Zionism from.

All Left Wingers in the Party have to do it if they have ambition - most of the Melbourne types are "progressive" or at least fund raise for both sides equally - its one of the few places outside Unions that ALPers can get election funding from