Teams Philadelphia Eagles - The Gold Standard

[rumply]

QB 3 Mark Sanchez

So that wasn't just a terrible nightmare that I thought I had??

 

[Zealbee]

So that wasn't just a terrible nightmare that thought I had??

I don't hate him as a back up. Barkley has also been really improved so far this year. Our QB situation is one of the better ones IMO.

 

[Southerntakeover]

As a Jordan Matthews owner in one of my dynasty leagues, should I be worried that he's behind Brad Smith? How bad has his training camp been?

Terrible. Cut him immediately to salvage your reputation.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Allen v Wolfe is still the battle to watch.

 

[Cassius_Clay]

So that wasn't just a terrible nightmare that I thought I had??

Sanchez will be number 2 eventually.

Barkley flat out sucks while Sanchez in the right system would actually be a decent starter.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Barkley is developing. Most reports have his accuracy looking a lot better this off season.

Sanchez would be fine if he can throw to Jordan Mathews every play.

 

[Cassius_Clay]

As a Jordan Matthews owner in one of my dynasty leagues, should I be worried that he's behind Brad Smith? How bad has his training camp been?

In a dynasty league he's probably a top 3 WR so you should be over the moon. Might be average to start with (like most WRs rookies are) but year 2 onwards he'll be a stud.

 

[Cassius_Clay]

Barkley is developing. Most reports have his accuracy looking a lot better this off season.

Sanchez would be fine if he can throw to Jordan Mathews every play.

His accuracy isnt his main problem though...

 

[Southerntakeover]

His accuracy isnt his main problem though...

I don't know, I think you can get by as being a decent back up with good decision making and accuracy, especially in our offense.

Arm strength is what it is. People claim Foles lacks it, but he was remarkably effective with the deep ball last year.

 

[Cassius_Clay]

Fair enough. Cant argue with that. I suppose all backups have weaknesses and if you're going to choose one it would probably be arm strength so at least you know what you have when he's put in a game.

I think the calls about Foles' lack of an arm are and have been proven to be a load of rubbish.

 

[Blacky]

I'm interested to know what stat line you have predicted for Foles, Cass

 

[sblack]

800-8000-80

Rounded off nicely

 

[Southerntakeover]

I think the calls about Foles' lack of an arm are and have been proven to be a load of rubbish.

I don't know. I think if you lined up the leagues QBs and got them to throw as far as they could Foles is nowhere near the top of the pack. Vick would have had him covered comfortably. It's just- Foles throws to the right option, and he places the ball well (think of the rolling Cooper TD against the pack). That more than compensates.

This isn't the only place where arm strength matters though. Underrated is the ability to rip bullets through coverage in a way that gives DB no shot at the ball. TBH I don't remember Foles making these sorts of throws, but time will tell. Again our offense compensates to some degree- we work on the numbers and getting mismatches- people tend to end up open/in favourable matches.

 

[Zealbee]

I don't know. I think if you lined up the leagues QBs and got them to throw as far as they could Foles is nowhere near the top of the pack. Vick would have had him covered comfortably. It's just- Foles throws to the right option, and he places the ball well (think of the rolling Cooper TD against the pack). That more than compensates.

This isn't the only place where arm strength matters though. Underrated is the ability to rip bullets through coverage in a way that gives DB no shot at the ball. TBH I don't remember Foles making these sorts of throws, but time will tell. Again our offense compensates to some degree- we work on the numbers and getting mismatches- people tend to end up open/in favourable matches.

Our offence excels at getting people open. I think Foles clearly doesn't have the arm strength of Vick but he is more accurate. Will be really interesting to see him play this season.

 

[sblack]

Just for arguments sake

http://birdbreakdown.com/2014/03/03/qb-velocity-rankings-nick-foles-has-an-objectively-strong-arm/

 

[Cassius_Clay]

I'm interested to know what stat line you have predicted for Foles, Cass

I get the feeling his game vs Oakland is the norm rather than the outlier. So if we extrapolate that over 16 games:

112 TDs, 0 INT, and just shy of 6500 yards

But seriously, not sure of numbers. I'd say he's a lock for a top 5 QB fantasy finish though. Only thing holding him back is the heavy run game which limits the amount of throws he makes.

 

[Blacky]

Hahaha

I would predict 4,100 yds 35 TDs

 

[Blacky]

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[rumply]

http://section215.com/2014/08/04/andy-dalton-extension-sets-nick-foles-get-20-million-annually/
Andy Dalton extension sets up Nick Foles to get $20 million annually

While Andy Dalton didn’t get really any guarantees on deal ($17 million guaranteed this year only) , it isn’t hard to pull out a calculator and figure out that over the course of his six-year/$115 million deal, he will collect over $19 million annually. Jay Cutler’s seven-year/$126 million deal set the market for a few months, but Dalton, who has been putrid in three career playoff games, will now set the market.

In early June, after Colin Kaepernick‘s unique deal, Adam Schefter threw out this nugget, which some people balked at. Now that we know that Dalton got $19 million per year, it isn’t hard to imagine Andrew Luck and Russell Wilson getting five or six million more per season.

If Nick Foles is smart, he will wait until after both Luck and Wilson get their deals, in hopes of landing more than the $18 million guaranteed Dalton got or having to take any sort of ridiculously team-friendly deal like Kaepernick did. If Aaron Rodgers got $52.5 guaranteed and Matt Ryan got $59 million guaranteed, I think it’s fair to assume that both Luck and Wilson could be looking at $65 plus guaranteed. That isn’t to say that Luck and Wilson are better than Rodgers and and Ryan, neither are better than Rodgers, but each new contract sets the market. And if they get close to $70 million guaranteed, that completely changes the type of deal that Foles is looking at.

I can’t project what type of season that Foles is going to have in 2014, it’s hard to imagine it could be better than his 2013 breakout campaign, but let’s assume his season confirms that he is the Eagles’ franchise quarterback, and the Eagles have to pay him the market value.

Right now, I think that Foles is on pace to get a little less guaranteed money than the $30 million thatJoe Flacco got. Foles may (may ) be the better regular season quarterback, especially in Chip Kelly‘s offense, but Flacco got paid right after getting really hot in the playoffs, and leading the Ravens to a Superbowl. He was also only aLee Evans drop away from playing in the Superbowl the season prior to that.

I think the Eagles COULD get really hot in the playoffs and COULD make a Superbowl run, but I don’t think that it’s likely. If Foles puts together another top-seven quarterback season like he did last year, and waits for Wilson and Luck to get paid, not winning a Superbowl might not keep him from getting more guaranteed than Flacco.

It is also worth passing along, that while Dalton has made the playoffs every single season, he hasn’t exactly been efficient in the regular season, and has played with one of the best wideouts in the league in A.J. Green. Sure, Nick Foles has played in a better overall offense, but if last year is any indication, he’s also just a better player.

So if Dalton got $19 million a year, doesn’t that set up Foles to get over $20 million per year? And again, if he waits for Wilson and Luck to get nearly $25 million, maybe that ups his annual value to $21 or $22 per year. It’s fashionable to say that guaranteed money is all that matters, but as long as Foles is here, his annual salary is a tad bit important, because the Eagles will be paying it to him.

Regardless, today’s Dalton extension raised the price for Foles, and Luck and Wilson may only drive that price even higher. Then again, Foles doesn’t come off as someone who is that concerned about his contract. Some people would argue that he has a responsibility to fellow quarterbacks to get paid, but considering his father is one of the richer men in Texas, Foles might not be worried about his unwritten responsibility, especially on a team that seems to be very wary of staying under the cap.

 

[Zealbee]

If Foles even comes close to how good he was last season I am more than happy for them to pay him that money. Would much rather have him than some of the other QB's that have been getting big deals lately.

Also has anyone come across some footage of Matthews in training camp? I can't find any, sick of just reading great things about him without being able to see some footage.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Not a great start to the pre-season.

Meanwhile, some of the Mathews hype can come back to earth now. Boykin handled him at practice, and now he's making drops in the game against the bears. He's going to need some work.

 

[Blacky]

Has problems with his hands in college

 

[ChockNurris]

Not a great start to the pre-season.

Meanwhile, some of the Mathews hype can come back to earth now. Boykin handled him at practice, and now he's making drops in the game against the bears. He's going to need some work.

Its almost like it was his first game in the NFL. Im assuming you want to cut foles also?
Im kinda excited for Matthews as he is a matchup problem for defenses if he can be effective in the slot at the pro level.

 

[Southerntakeover]

I want people to lower the expectations rather than set the kid up to fail.

There's no need to add to the pressure on him by placing unrealistic expectations, it's going to be bad enough with the Desean comparisons this year.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Of course needs some work can reasonably be interpreted as meaning cut though. Nicely done.