The prize for worst implementation of climate policy goes to...

[swingdog]

Go look up their power plant plan and regulations on vehicles.

 

[RUNVS]

The very top story on the CNN website right now is

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/11/12/opinion/us-china-climate-change-analysis/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

and in it there is

But it remains to be seen whether this breakthrough announcement will have an impact on the G20 meeting, as host Australia has been trying to keep climate off the agenda for all year.

As an economic meeting, the G20 cannot afford to ignore the restructuring of energy markets and productive capacity that will be needed to accommodate these very ambitious cuts propose by China, the U.S. and EU.

Australia has become a pariah state on climate since the election of Prime Minister Tony Abbott's government last year. With statements from Abbott as recently as last month that "coal is good for humanity," Australia has been ridiculed in the international press as a regressive government that sees climate mitigation as incompatible with economic growth.

Australia has been identified as the only country on Earth to be winding back national climate legislation -- a Globe Internationalassessment on the effectiveness of decarbonization policies of 66 countries placed Australia at the bottom of the list.

On hearing of the China-U.S. announcement, the Australian opposition leader Bill Shorten commented: "Now this gigantic news has been announced at APEC four days before the G20, the Australian government needs to join the rest of the world."

 

[rodney hoo]

All you deniers can bring out your 3% of scientist & write as many blogs as you like, it's going to HAPPEN .What Australia has to do is get on the front foot with technology on renewable resources, we are a clever nation & it was going on under the previous government until 1930's abbott got in. It will need investment but there will be a lot of $ to be made.

 

[Maggie5]

OMG, just heard Abbott respond to a reporter re Climate Change who asked him was it discussed at the meeting? His response was that one person had mentioned it in passing.
I wonder where he was when the leaders of USA and China held their joint announcement?
I think poor old Tones and his Dad's Army of Ministers need to get up to speed, we now have the internet and it was broadcast on every news channel, keep up old boy.
How can a Rhodes scholar be so stupid?

 

[RUNVS]

All you deniers can bring out your 3% of scientist & write as many blogs as you like, it's going to HAPPEN .What Australia has to do is get on the front foot with technology on renewable resources, we are a clever nation & it was going on under the previous government until 1930's abbott got in. It will need investment but there will be a lot of $ to be made.

Exactly. The future is renewable energies and what Abbott is doing right now is betting all his money on the CD one year after Apple releases the first iPod.

 

[rodney hoo]

OMG, just heard Abbott respond to a reporter re Climate Change who asked him was it discussed at the meeting? His response was that one person had mentioned it in passing.
I wonder where he was when the leaders of USA and China held their joint announcement?
I think poor old Tones and his Dad's Army of Ministers need to get up to speed, we now have the internet and it was broadcast on every news channel, keep up old boy.
How can a Rhodes scholar be so stupid?

When you no the right people ( uncle george) you can be as dumb as dog s**t & get through. Sorry to the dog s**t because abbott ain't that smart.

 

[Jakko]

Abbott needs to redeem himself, and sign an agreement with the USA that we will continue to raise emissions for the next 16 years, without any consequences for failing to stop increases beyond 2030.

Great respect would surely flow from around the world?

 

[RUNVS]

It is scary that currently of the 66 nations surveyed Australia has the most right wing and most anti scientific climate policy in the world. Abbott is making us a backwards nation scientifically.

 

[Lebbo73]

OMG, just heard Abbott respond to a reporter re Climate Change who asked him was it discussed at the meeting? His response was that one person had mentioned it in passing.
I wonder where he was when the leaders of USA and China held their joint announcement?
I think poor old Tones and his Dad's Army of Ministers need to get up to speed, we now have the internet and it was broadcast on every news channel, keep up old boy.
How can a Rhodes scholar be so stupid?

How can the public be so gullible? It has nothing to do with man made climate change. It is a tax on humanity and everyone is being conned.

 

[Gough]

How can the public be so gullible? It has nothing to do with man made climate change. It is a tax on humanity and everyone is being conned.

We took Abbott as a man of his word when we elected him so you'd imagine pretty f*cking gullible.

 

[scon]

How can a Rhodes scholar be so stupid?

The academic side of the application only requires a BA.
It's not the Stephen Hawking club.

 

[Total_Juddshanks]

The very top story on the CNN website right now is

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/11/12/opinion/us-china-climate-change-analysis/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

and in it there is

"David Holmes is Senior Lecturer in Communications and Media at Monash University, Melbourne, Australia. He researches climate change communication and is a columnist for The Conversation, where he writes on climate, politics and the media."

Stop the presses, a hard left australian academic specializing in climate change propaganda writes a piece of climate change propaganda critical of the australian government !

A couple of observations about this deal, which no one seems to want to recognize.

The chinese leadership must have just been shaking their heads in amazement at how ridiculous this agreement is, in return for the US cutting their emissions by 25% in the next 10 years, with all the attendant economic hurt involved, China has undertaken to stop..increasing emissions..after another 15 years.

Putting aside anything else, china needs to do that in any case just because of how utterly devastated their domestic environment is from air pollution- if emissions keep growing over the next 15 years in China, climate change is irrelevant because the air quality in winter would make Beijing virtually uninhabitable for 3-4 months a year. So in return for agreeing to what is a long term necessity for them, they've gotten their major international competitor to, in theory, agree to hammer their economy during the upcoming critical period where the major geopolitical struggle in Asia is playing out.

I say in theory, because although obama is a lame duck president who can purport to make crazy, ideologically driven agreements without having to worry about polls, congress has already indicated they are having none of this deal.

 

[Pessimistic]

It is scary that currently of the 66 nations surveyed Australia has the most right wing and most anti scientific climate policy in the world. Abbott is making us a backwards nation scientifically.

Banana republic might get resurrected on TV

 

[Jakko]

The chinese leadership must have just been shaking their heads in amazement at how ridiculous this agreement is, in return for the US cutting their emissions by 25% in the next 10 years, with all the attendant economic hurt involved, China has undertaken to stop..increasing emissions..after another 15 years.

All without any kind of consequences for not stopping in 2030.

How this is seen as some kind of big win for GW countermeasures I'm not too sure.

 

[Lebbo73]

So the US shuts down their economy in a deal with China. That is the price you pay so China keeps holding US debt (American dollars).

 

[Total_Juddshanks]

All without any kind of consequences for not stopping in 2030.

How this is seen as some kind of big win for GW countermeasures I'm not too sure.

And all this from the country which promised democracy in HK by 2017.

This isn't even about pooh-poohing climate change or the best way to tackle it or whatever, it is just deadset laughable that anyone is naive enough to think that this is some sort of good global citizenry from China.

People need to get their heads around the idea that the CCP's approach to international relations, and to domestic politics, is basically what you would expect if the mafia ran a country of 1 billion people. For the last 25 years, the name of the game has been ruthless pragmatism and saying or doing whatever it takes to keep the CCP in power, weaken their international competitors and strengthen China. The idea that international law, institutions and treaties have any resonance with them if they don't support those goals is just daft.

They have taken the Americans for complete rubes on this deal.

 

[Jakko]

And all this from the country which promised democracy in HK by 2017.

This isn't even about pooh-poohing climate change or the best way to tackle it or whatever, it is just deadset laughable that anyone is naive enough to think that this is some sort of good global citizenry from China.

People need to get their heads around the idea that the CCP's approach to international relations, and to domestic politics, is basically what you would expect if the mafia ran a country of 1 billion people. For the last 25 years, the name of the game has been ruthless pragmatism and saying or doing whatever it takes to keep the CCP in power, weaken their international competitors and strengthen China. The idea that international law, institutions and treaties have any resonance with them if they don't support those goals is just daft.

They have taken the Americans for complete rubes on this deal.

We have to listen to the scientists. Over the coming days/weeks we should get some numbers crunched on what this agreement means. Effects on global output of co2 between now and 2030, some rejigging of climate models etc.

 

[scon]

We have to listen to the scientists. Over the coming days/weeks we should get some numbers crunched on what this agreement means. Effects on global output of co2 between now and 2030, some rejigging of climate models etc.

Agreed:here's our internationally acknowledged expert(though doubtless the resident interwebz luddite community will identify him as a leftist zealot)
Australia needs to match US commitment to reduce emissions

 

[telsor]

Agreed:here's our internationally acknowledged expert(though doubtless the resident interwebz luddite community will identify him as a leftist zealot)
Australia needs to match US commitment to reduce emissions

Sure, we'll match the US 'commitment', especially as they've committed to NOTHING in this NON-BINDING statement.

 

[telsor]

All you deniers can bring out your 3% of scientist & write as many blogs as you like, it's going to HAPPEN .What Australia has to do is get on the front foot with technology on renewable resources, we are a clever nation & it was going on under the previous government until 1930's abbott got in. It will need investment but there will be a lot of $ to be made.

Again with the 3%/97%.

You do realise that repeating something that's been shown to be false makes you lose credibility, right?

If the only way climate change believers feel they convince people is by repeating falsehoods, why would we believe them on anything?

 

[scon]

Sure, we'll match the US 'commitment', especially as they've committed to NOTHING in this NON-BINDING statement.

I don't put people on ignore telsor,but it's impossible to take you in any way seriously.

 

[telsor]

I don't put people on ignore telsor,but it's impossible to take you in any way seriously.

Why, what have they actually COMMITTED to?

 

[Max zero]

Well after getting a new computer (it's very sexy) I have returned.

I saw this story today and read some option about it.

The U.S. target is no binding and has to pass congress (where he is now a minority in both houses). China isn't even promising a reduction just that it will stop going up by 2030.

Truly groundbreaking.

It's interesting to note that competitive economies that are direct competitors to us (South Africa, Canada) are silent except to announce that Canada are not going to meet their target. Shock, horror.

 

[swingdog]

Well after getting a new computer (it's very sexy) I have returned.

I saw this story today and read some option about it.

The U.S. target is no binding and has to pass congress (where he is now a minority in both houses). China isn't even promising a reduction just that it will stop going up by 2030.

Truly groundbreaking.

It's interesting to note that competitive economies that are direct competitors to us (South Africa, Canada) are silent except to announce that Canada are not going to meet their target. Shock, horror.

Doesn't have to pass Congress - not sure how many times this needs to be repeated but lacking a basic understanding of how US government works really undermines your contribution to debate.

 

[Max zero]

Doesn't have to pass Congress - not sure how many times this needs to be repeated but lacking a basic understanding of how US government works really undermines your contribution to debate.

The agreement doesn't but the new regulations that they will need in order to meet the targets will. There is an argument that they have sufficient powers under the Clean Air act but that is to be seen.