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Dustin Martin v Dyson Heppell
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Both players (Martin/Heppell) fill a need at their respective clubs, both are heading towards being elite players and 200 gamers.
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Pretty obvious choice really
Heppell because you know what you are going to get every week from him.
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Dyson Heppell
Strengths:
- Pendle-like poise within midfield with newly shown contested skill
- Already proven to change the game at whim when the chips are down, carries team on back with captain out
- Gradual improvement to an elite player already at 22
Weaknesses:
- Lack of goal-kicking presence
- Kicks flat-footed at times?
- Needs lucky jocks for powers
Dustin Martin
Strengths:
- Usually threatens as a goal-kicking mid
- Has the offensive outside game down pat, looking good to cover a fading Deledio with inside 50 delivery
- Proven durability with hardly missing a game in his career
Weaknesses:
- Tends to play half a match and call it a day (SuperCoachers know)
- Ill disciplined on field at times (Frees against count)
- That goddamn neck tattoo
Winner: Dyson Heppell
When Martin's involved in the discussion, people wonder when he's ever going to reach his potential.
When Heppell's involved in the discussion, people wonder how far his potential can go.
Case closed.
Strengths:
- Pendle-like poise within midfield with newly shown contested skill
- Already proven to change the game at whim when the chips are down, carries team on back with captain out
- Gradual improvement to an elite player already at 22
Weaknesses:
- Lack of goal-kicking presence
- Kicks flat-footed at times?
- Needs lucky jocks for powers
Dustin Martin
Strengths:
- Usually threatens as a goal-kicking mid
- Has the offensive outside game down pat, looking good to cover a fading Deledio with inside 50 delivery
- Proven durability with hardly missing a game in his career
Weaknesses:
- Tends to play half a match and call it a day (SuperCoachers know)
- Ill disciplined on field at times (Frees against count)
- That goddamn neck tattoo
Winner: Dyson Heppell
When Martin's involved in the discussion, people wonder when he's ever going to reach his potential.
When Heppell's involved in the discussion, people wonder how far his potential can go.
Case closed.
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The fact that you are basing your points on his weaknesses on a fantasy game makes everything you just said null.
That really does go to show that you don't actually pay attention to Dustin, just as I don't pay attention to Heppell, because I don't watch Bomber games all that much.
The fact you think Deledio is fading is astonishing - he started off slow due to just returning from injury to a team that was in turmoil, but turned it around the rest of the year and played a huge role for our side in his newly found position.
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Clearly ... on another level .... quite obvious
Oh please.
In 2014 Heppell averaged 3 more disposals per game whilst Dusty had 42 scoring shots compared with Heppell's 12.
In 2013 they averaged the same number of possessions and Martin had 55 scoring shots compared with Heppell's 19.
Hard to compare because they both play different roles. Both are super players.
One thing I know for sure - if you pay no attention to Heppell your team might still win. Pay no attention to Martin and he will hurt you big time.
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I honestly don't get this idea that Martin is inconsistent. He carried the team when it was doing absolutely rubbish. From Round 7-18 he didn't go below 24 disposals once, then rested forward against GWS and kicked 2.2. Even against the Crows he had 17 possessions for 17 kicks.
For me his biggest weakness is his short dinky kinks that get chopped off by the opposition.
For me his biggest weakness is his short dinky kinks that get chopped off by the opposition.
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I don't understand how anyone thinks one player 'easily' or 'by a mile'. It's a very close comparison
I think it comes down to the needs of the team
I think it comes down to the needs of the team
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A fading Deledio?
Is that what you call it when you average 25.0 disposals and a goal a game, including 27.2 disposals and 1.4 goals a game over the final 10 weeks?
I'd take Martin before Heppell.
I'm not sure what Heppell's elite skill is. He's good at everything, but doesn't have that stand out skill like top players need. Dusty is averaging 22 touches and over 1 goal a game over his career, you know you're getting 25 touches a game and 25+ goals a season from him, very few players offer that, the ones that do are all elite.
I'm not sure what Heppell's elite skill is. He's good at everything, but doesn't have that stand out skill like top players need. Dusty is averaging 22 touches and over 1 goal a game over his career, you know you're getting 25 touches a game and 25+ goals a season from him, very few players offer that, the ones that do are all elite.
Sure, if you just want to compare numbers they're pretty close. Heppell still in front in most categories, but they're pretty close.
Let's look at the award honour roll so far... the things most players get judged on when their career is done:
All-Australian selections: Heppell 1, Martin 0
Best and Fairest medals: Heppell 1, Martin 0
Rising Star awards: Heppell 1, Martin 0
When Martin starts getting recognised by unbiased voting experts like Heppell currently is, then you could start to make a case that Martin is in the same category of player as Heppell. At this time though, Heppell is quite clearly in the A-grade section of players whereas Martin would be in the B+/B category of players.
Your point about "leaving Heppell alone and your team might still win" is also complete bollocks. Go watch the second half of our game vs. Geelong, where he picked up 25-odd possessions, set up multiple goals and nearly got us over the line. Or the last quarter of the Bulldogs game near the end of the season, where his dominance out of the stoppages secured our victory. Or his last quarter vs. Fremantle last year, where he was the catalyst for our comeback against the odds win, including kicking one of the winning goals. Heppell is very dangerous when left alone which is probably why he cops the hard tag almost every week, while Martin is allowed to spend time up forward playing on guys like Luke Brown and Darcy Gardiner.
Plus Heppell is a year younger. And he doesn't have the individual off-field controversy that Martin does. And he's never tried to bail on his club.
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Yep. Wallis' foot was stomped on, he was benched for the game, Heppell ran riot, we lost.
Leave him alone at your peril.
Leave him alone at your peril.
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Why does Watson/Goddard cop the tag most weeks?
Is it because more then one player can be sat on if necessary?
Nah, it's you who's missing the point.Lol, way to prove his point.
Geelong left Dyson alone in the 2nd half. He almost single-handedly clawed back a 5 goal lead in the 3rd term, with brilliant play out of the middle setting up repeat inside 50 entries. Geelong got out of jail because they're a fantastic, experienced team who have done it more times than can be counted. But Geelong letting Hepp run free very nearly cost them (after a 5 goal head start), and it probably would've cost most other teams in the league a win.
3 Brownlow votes in a losing team says it all. I guess you could take it as a slight on Heppell that he couldn't single-handedly drag his team over the line from 5 goals down in a half against a top 4 team, because Essendon didn't win the game in the end.
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They don't, Heppell does.
boncer34
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Why is it Tigers fans keep mentioning averages for disposals and then total for scoring shots?
Im guessing that they want to make a case for Dustin Martin. Just a hunch though.
boncer34
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Yeah that was my point.
Guess saying Dusty only averaged 1 more scoring shot and Heppell had nearly 70 touches more doesn't do that.
On the stupid haircut stats they are both level.
Percentages aren't a good indicator when stats are low like scoring shots. How about percentage differences. For exampleYeah that was my point.
Guess saying Dusty only averaged 1 more scoring shot and Heppell had nearly 70 touches more doesn't do that.
Dusty averages approx 90% of Heppels possessions
Heppel averages approx 30% of Dustys scoring shots
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