hawthorn has owned us pretty much since the 80's, a win would be a miracle and a close game would be an absolute bonus, I have never seen it any other way with the Hawks. I still always thank the gods above that we never played the hawks in finals series of 1990 and 2010. In 1990 they smashed us in the H & A and 2010 we lost to them also in H & A. Luckily we only meet them once only loose 4 points. Pessimistic yes, worried about where we are at if we get smashed? no, result tonight makes no difference, its hawthorn