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I reckon they'll let him see out the series.
Ashes 2015, Third Test - England v Australia - Day 2, Edgbaston, Birmingham
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I understand. There's slim pickings. I actually wouldn't do anything because I don't think anything will be an improvement. We've dropped Watson so he needs to remain dropped for this series at least. Voges has been very disappointing; however, he was given a role for this series and he should be given the chance to see it through. If Shaun Marsh was a good player waiting I'd probably feel differently, but he's only been a serviceable domestic player for a long time; he's no star. Our soft underbelly has just been exposed by Smith not scoring runs.
Mercy call for Cameron Bancroft? Bloke at least digs it and puts a price on his wicket.
Just carrying a few too many who are playing well below them selves.
We all know Starc can bowl 140-150km/hr and deadly accurate with a swinging ball. We saw it all way through the world cup. We've seen this rubbish time and time again from him in test matches. Warney called him out and rightfully so and he responded last summer. It's hard to watch him bowl 140km/hr all over the place. Injuries or not he needs to go out there and have a go and really push through his spells.
Clarke. I've never seen a batsmen look more finished and horribly out of form. Finn wasn't swinging or seaming it and he was playing all around it. Battled on for a bit but always looked like going out. Voges is another who has had enough opportunity, he doesn't look up to it. Marsh also didn't look comfortable with the bat.
Smith threw his wicket away no questions. When we've been bowled out for stuff all first innings, it's doing a bit and we've got days and days to bat you just don't play shots like that. Sometimes you have to score at 2 or so an over and put your flashy game away and just play slow boring long orthodox innings.
Rogers got a jaffa, that's going to happen. Warner did well and dug in but it's hard when losing wickets all around you.
The biggest problem is exposing our lower order batsmen too early. Cant expect much from the all rounder and tail being in so early. We're fragile when we lose an opener or two early extremely fragile losing smith early.
Nevill gets a big tick, though the way he went about it has been great and end of the day Johnson is a bowler so can't expect a lot there either.
Just need to tail to hang on and Nevill to make 200 and we're a chance
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Sean Marsh absolutely must play the next test for Voges. With Clarke going the way he is, he's our big weak link in the middle order, his record aside he just can't bat at the moment. We'd be better with Watson or Haddin in his place playing as a pure batsmen. Is Michael Klinger about?
We all know Starc can bowl 140-150km/hr and deadly accurate with a swinging ball. We saw it all way through the world cup. We've seen this rubbish time and time again from him in test matches. Warney called him out and rightfully so and he responded last summer. It's hard to watch him bowl 140km/hr all over the place. Injuries or not he needs to go out there and have a go and really push through his spells.
Clarke. I've never seen a batsmen look more finished and horribly out of form. Finn wasn't swinging or seaming it and he was playing all around it. Battled on for a bit but always looked like going out. Voges is another who has had enough opportunity, he doesn't look up to it. Marsh also didn't look comfortable with the bat.
Smith threw his wicket away no questions. When we've been bowled out for stuff all first innings, it's doing a bit and we've got days and days to bat you just don't play shots like that. Sometimes you have to score at 2 or so an over and put your flashy game away and just play slow boring long orthodox innings.
Rogers got a jaffa, that's going to happen. Warner did well and dug in but it's hard when losing wickets all around you.
The biggest problem is exposing our lower order batsmen too early. Cant expect much from the all rounder and tail being in so early. We're fragile when we lose an opener or two early extremely fragile losing smith early.
Nevill gets a big tick, though the way he went about it has been great and end of the day Johnson is a bowler so can't expect a lot there either.
Just need to tail to hang on and Nevill to make 200 and we're a chance
.Sean Marsh absolutely must play the next test for Voges. With Clarke going the way he is, he's our big weak link in the middle order, his record aside he just can't bat at the moment. We'd be better with Watson or Haddin in his place playing as a pure batsmen. Is Michael Klinger about?
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Calls for Watson or Haddin to come into the side are seriously misguided. I've seen people on twitter say we should bring Haddin in for the next test as a specialist batsmen .
i think Voges deserves another chance but the way he is going out is a worry, bringing in a left hander for him might be the better option.
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Shouldn't have been there in the first place.
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Finn: 24 tests, 97 wickets @ 28.13. These are NOT the stats of a spud.
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This. Picked off lets be honest for a second...one great season...at 35 years old. People thinking he was the next Mike Hussey was weird. Happy he got a chance, but come off it, was never going to work!
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Who are they to tell him what's good for his body.
Ever the problem with some Australian cricket fans - looking for a scapegoat after losing.
Forcibly retiring a captain mid-Ashes series (to bring in who, exactly?) would be a national embarrassment.
We're poor right now because most of our guys are out of form.
England are playing well because they're in form.
See the correlation between Lehmann out coaching Flower by man managing, and then Bayliss out coaching Lehmann by man managing. Such is the cycle. We're a better side, but we're out of form.
I agree . He's got some serious tools at his disposal too. Quickish with bounce and a bit of seam will get a lot of players out at test level. He fell apart a bit when he had to change his delivery because he kept knocking the stumps over with his hand. It's taken him a fair while to get his game back.
Aussie won the previous test at a canter. Don't think there will be any changes if they lose this one. Especially if no one is knocking the door down
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There lies your first problem. A mouthpiece for those with little of worth to say.
LukeParkerno1
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Our captain is batting at 4 averaging 15...yeah I know we have other issues, but fair dinkum call a spade a spade. He has been utterly terrible. I would drop Clarke and frankly I don't give a hoot whether he is captain or not. He has been rubbish.
We all know Starc can bowl 140-150km/hr and deadly accurate with a swinging ball. We saw it all way through the world cup. We've seen this rubbish time and time again from him in test matches. Warney called him out and rightfully so and he responded last summer. It's hard to watch him bowl 140km/hr all over the place. Injuries or not he needs to go out there and have a go and really push through his spells.
He really doesn't look right. So maybe his foot injury is troubling him more than we know. Its hard to reconcile him as the same bowler as the world cup.
Not sure if recalling Siddle is the answer either. He's only been a medium pacer for the last couple of years, and doesn't do enough with the ball at that pace
He really doesn't look right. So maybe his foot injury is troubling him more than we know. Its hard to reconcile him as the same bowler as the world cup.
Not sure if recalling Siddle is the answer either. He's only been a medium pacer for the last couple of years, and doesn't do enough with the ball at that pace
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That might not be a bad move.
We need to do something with him.
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Root 6/10 - went on to make solid fifty, which is a good return on this pitch
Bairstow 2/10 - brute of a delivery from Johnson that would get most batsmen
Stokes 4/10 - got same sort of deliver as Bairstow, bowled well and tight in his two spells.
Butler
Moeen Ali 8/10 - At 7/190 Australia was well and truly back in the game fast forward an hour and momentum is back with England and Australia are frustrated
Broad 7/10 - showed again that his batting is at a bowling allrounder level, bowled well again to add.
Finn 9/10 - we've heard before how good he is going to be and now we've actually seen why for the first time as he destroyed us pretty much single-handedly.
Anderson 6/10 - kept his bowling tight as usual until injured. Question now is how bad it really is, personally think it is the series over.
Australia
Warner 7/10 - Root and Ali showed there are only two ways to bat on this pitch, cautious and straight or hit out. Warner paid attention which is more than I can say for most of the team rest.
Rogers 2/10 - played down the wrong line.
Smith 2/10 - what was that shot, terrible choice especially from someone supposed to be best in the world.
Clarke 2/10 - dreadfully out of form, but will though say in his defence it was a good ball and good catch to get him.
Voges 0/10 - had his bat in no-man's land like the first inning and like the first innings got an edge. Time to go.
Marsh 1/10 - played all around it.
Nevill 6/10 - someone else who is batting properly for the conditions, if he and Starc can stay in we might have a half chance if England collapse.
Johnson 5/10 - his first over was brilliant, two brutes that got Bairstow and Stokes, then went completely missing. Really only knows one way to bat and when tied down for a while will always try and hit out, but he is here to bowl not bat.
Starc 5/10 - just kept bowling the wrong length.
Hazelwood 5/10 - also bowled the wrong length way to often. Our bowlers need to sit down and look at the line and length England are bowling and learn
Lyon 6/10 - easily pick of the bowlers, just needs to bowl in one over spells maybe.
Root 6/10 - went on to make solid fifty, which is a good return on this pitch
Bairstow 2/10 - brute of a delivery from Johnson that would get most batsmen
Stokes 4/10 - got same sort of deliver as Bairstow, bowled well and tight in his two spells.
Butler
Moeen Ali 8/10 - At 7/190 Australia was well and truly back in the game fast forward an hour and momentum is back with England and Australia are frustrated
Broad 7/10 - showed again that his batting is at a bowling allrounder level, bowled well again to add.
Finn 9/10 - we've heard before how good he is going to be and now we've actually seen why for the first time as he destroyed us pretty much single-handedly.
Anderson 6/10 - kept his bowling tight as usual until injured. Question now is how bad it really is, personally think it is the series over.
Australia
Warner 7/10 - Root and Ali showed there are only two ways to bat on this pitch, cautious and straight or hit out. Warner paid attention which is more than I can say for most of the team rest.
Rogers 2/10 - played down the wrong line.
Smith 2/10 - what was that shot, terrible choice especially from someone supposed to be best in the world.
Clarke 2/10 - dreadfully out of form, but will though say in his defence it was a good ball and good catch to get him.
Voges 0/10 - had his bat in no-man's land like the first inning and like the first innings got an edge. Time to go.
Marsh 1/10 - played all around it.
Nevill 6/10 - someone else who is batting properly for the conditions, if he and Starc can stay in we might have a half chance if England collapse.
Johnson 5/10 - his first over was brilliant, two brutes that got Bairstow and Stokes, then went completely missing. Really only knows one way to bat and when tied down for a while will always try and hit out, but he is here to bowl not bat.
Starc 5/10 - just kept bowling the wrong length.
Hazelwood 5/10 - also bowled the wrong length way to often. Our bowlers need to sit down and look at the line and length England are bowling and learn
Lyon 6/10 - easily pick of the bowlers, just needs to bowl in one over spells maybe.
Pretty good Slax ,But would have thought Anderson was more than a 6 ? He set the game up for the poms with a six for, plus got Warner in the 2nd digs .
LukeParkerno1
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As Ian Healy correctly said last night. White ball cricket is different to red ball. Batsmen dictate the way a bowler plays. If they are attacking you fire in more yorkers. If they are defending you throw in more enticing balls up and it happens a lot quicker than test match cricket. Starc is like the Warner of bowling. Doesn't have the temperament to play tests. He's all over the shop and doesn't know what is coming out of his hand, but unlike Johnson who is the same, doesn't have the fire spitting short ball.
LukeParkerno1
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You going to give Warner any credit? I'm not his biggest fan either but he batted well.
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