Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 3

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[hawkman]

They should have been built by now. What sort of idiots put people up in the most heavily populated areas of the country. Old Sco Mo needs to stop trying to be everyone's friend and grow a set and start making demands or states lose job keeper payments. The moron just announced he is letting more people in from OS when poor old 'Dan' cannot cope as it is. Once again tonight Vic has a growing outbreak because of hotel quarantine.

I mean this is a real dozy, they set it up at the airport. Awesome, lets spread the love all over Oz. Where do you reckon the security guards etc go to get something to eat/smoke, during breaks. In areas where people going interstate are. You seriously can't make this up.

I don't think any government state or federal would be able to get a project like this done in 9 months. If something like this was rushed someone would screw it up somewhere or there would be some sort of corruption with it

Army could set up tent cities in no time near airforce bases and just have them flown in direct. Would it be a bit rough? Yep but they don't have to come home if they don't like it.

Wouldn't have a problem with this, would need enough space to have people far enough apart. Giving them fresh air will also prevent transmission. Would need to have proper sewerage facilities set up though.

There would be enough people complaining about how we are treating people though that it wouldn't last 2 months

 

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Look the other way Dumbo Dan, Gladys & NSW doing your job for you again.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Votes! That’s the issue..



Xmas Is can hold 3000 max...we’re allowing 5000 a week or less, or they use Derby and Howard Springs...that’s probably 8-10k all up.

The city is no place for quarantine.

Curtin has been closed for 6 1/2 years. Christmas Island is full of hardened criminals and visa overstayers and Howard Springs needs expansion.

Christmas Island is good if you have the room, but I don't think it's suitable for the big long range airliners, the runway isn't long enough. (I could be wrong on this bit).

Maybe Andrews can turn at least something out of this cluster**** into a positive. Get Avalon Airport upgraded to International status and construct a purpose built facility there on the land, which is plentiful. It can be the sole facility for all return Aussies. There is also a major hwy and rail line right outside the front entrance to the place.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Hmmm...nice generalisation there! They’re humans, not scum, if it’s good enough to house asylum seekers then it’s good enough for return travellers.

It’s been the LNP in charge for the last 18 of 24 years and they’ve spent the entire time telling us how strong they are on borders and now you’re saying the immigration laws are soft?!?

Send the return travellers to remote bases etc.problem solved.

A lot of them are scum, they're there awaiting deportation, they've been kicked out on character grounds. There are others that are you basic visa overstayers too.

The LNP are tough on borders, it's the lily livered / money grabbing legal profession that have them sitting there for extended periods as they try to get rulings overturned.

 

[Rob R]

Curtin has been closed for 6 1/2 years. Christmas Island is full of hardened criminals and visa overstayers and Howard Springs needs expansion.

Christmas Island is good if you have the room, but I don't think it's suitable for the big long range airliners, the runway isn't long enough. (I could be wrong on this bit).

Maybe Andrews can turn at least something out of this clusterfu** into a positive. Get Avalon Airport upgraded to International status and construct a purpose built facility there on the land, which is plentiful. It can be the sole facility for all return Aussies. There is also a major hwy and rail line right outside the front entrance to the place.

Stop that, this is Bigfooty and you just offered a sensible solution. Avalon has previously received international flights and can handle up to 747 class aircraft so the infrastructure is there (and any investment to improve roads etc will be used in the future unlike some remote facility). Would mean jobs too in the West of the city that Dan has abandoned to target the marginal elsewhere.

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[Ned_Flanders]

Stop that, this is Bigfooty and you just offered a sensible solution. Avalon has previously received international flights and can handle up to 747 class aircraft so the infrastructure is there (and any investment to improve roads etc will be used in the future unlike some remote facility). Would mean jobs too in the West of the city that Dan has abandoned to target the marginal elsewhere.

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We need something that is already built. I don't think Barwon is available

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

We need something that is already built. I don't think Barwon is available

Throw up something that is already built? Barwon way too small.

One advantage of Avalon is that it already has the air facilities to fly directly in, no need for buses from the airport to hotels, far enough away from cities and there is really no local communities there.

Imagine this time of the year, extremely hot, extreme humidity, extreme isolation and cyclone season, trying to resurrect an airbase or detention facility that has been empty for at least 6 1/2 years, a lot longer is some other instances.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Throw up something that is already built? Barwon way too small.

One advantage of Avalon is that it already has the air facilities to fly directly in, no need for buses from the airport to hotels, far enough away from cities and there is really no local communities there.

Imagine this time of the year, extremely hot, extreme humidity, extreme isolation and cyclone season, trying to resurrect an airbase or detention facility that has been empty for at least 6 1/2 years, a lot longer is some other instances.

you sold everyone on the airport. stop selling.

the question is where the buses go next. There is nothing out there, except the jail (which you say is too small)

whats your plan, a tent camp?

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

you sold everyone on the airport. stop selling.

the question is where the buses go next. There is nothing out there, except the jail (which you say is too small)

whats your plan, a tent camp?

Who is you?

I'm talking about the actual land that Avalon Airport sits on, build a facility within the boundary of the airport.

What are you on about with the buses?

 

[hawkman]

Who is you?

I'm talking about the actual land that Avalon Airport sits on, build a facility within the boundary of the airport.

What are you on about with the buses?

By the time it is built it shouldn't be needed

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Who is you?

I'm talking about the actual land that Avalon Airport sits on, build a facility within the boundary of the airport.

What are you on about with the buses?

I'll say this again - you need something already built

this isnt china, we wont get something up in 2 weeks unless its a tent city

to build from scratch that means you have to:

- acquire the necessary land (wont be the airport because thats linfox land, and good luck with that)
- get through the obligatory planning objections
- build the bloody thing

thats at least 12 months of work (and thats with a rocket under everyone. Construction alone for Barwon Prison took 3 years)

we need an alternative that will be ready in weeks, not months

 

[hawkman]

I'll say this again - you need something already built

this isnt china, we wont get something up in 2 weeks unless its a tent city

to build from scratch that means you have to:

- acquire the necessary land (wont be the airport because thats linfox land, and good luck with that)
- get through the obligatory planning objections
- build the bloody thing

thats at least 12 months of work

we need an alternative that will be ready in weeks, not months

12 months is being very optimistic

Unless people are happy with tent cities i can't see an easier way than HQ. The other facilities are too small to take over the numbers that can go through HQ

The one thing would be if it is possible to find hotels with windows able to open or balconies

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

I'll say this again - you need something already built

this isnt china, we wont get something up in 2 weeks unless its a tent city

to build from scratch that means you have to:

- acquire the necessary land (wont be the airport because thats linfox land, and good luck with that)
- get through the obligatory planning objections
- build the bloody thing

thats at least 12 months of work (and thats with a rocket under everyone. Construction alone for Barwon Prison took 3 years)

we need an alternative that will be ready in weeks, not months

Do you think this will be all done and dusted globally within the next 12 months?

Why does the land have to be acquired? I'm sure Lindsay Fox would be happy to have it built on his land, maybe in a trade off for the Airport being upgraded to International. Yeah, he'd probably make a ****ing ton of money out of it, but shit, what's worse, Lindsay making more money he doesn't need or the state / economy getting shut down?

Who would realistically object to it being built at Avalon? There's **** all out there, apart from an airport.

We are not going to be getting all the Aussies wanting to return home in a few months and while we're doing it, the virus keeps leaking from the hotel quarantine program in most states.

If it got to the point where there weren't many Aussies coming back, maybe house international students in it for quarantine periods before letting them return to study. When it's no longer needed (if that happens anytime soon, maybe convert the facility so it can be used by MotoGP and F1 teams, as well as international freight. Like the multi purpose room at my kids' school, a tweak here and there and it can be used for all sorts of things.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Do you think this will be all done and dusted globally within the next 12 months?

Why does the land have to be acquired? I'm sure Lindsay Fox would be happy to have it built on his land, maybe in a trade off for the Airport being upgraded to International. Yeah, he'd probably make a ******* ton of money out of it, but sh*t, what's worse, Lindsay making more money he doesn't need or the state / economy getting shut down?

Who would realistically object to it being built at Avalon? There's fu** all out there, apart from an airport.

We are not going to be getting all the Aussies wanting to return home in a few months and while we're doing it, the virus keeps leaking from the hotel quarantine program in most states.

If it got to the point where there weren't many Aussies coming back, maybe house international students in it for quarantine periods before letting them return to study. When it's no longer needed (if that happens anytime soon, maybe convert the facility so it can be used by MotoGP and F1 teams, as well as international freight. Like the multi purpose room at my kids' school, a tweak here and there and it can be used for all sorts of things.

1) we need a solution now, not in a year's time

2) the Linfox family would burn the joint rather than not make a lot of money on the deal.

3) a detention camp behind barbed wire is not suitable for F1 or the bikes. These people stay in five star hotels and you think they will stay in a detention camp with prettier curtains

4) local farmers will object. Also you have places like Lara which will object. Noone wants to be next door to a toxic dump or a leper colony

 

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Look the other way Dumbo Dan, Gladys & NSW doing your job for you again.

I wonder who it was who wrote a new set of legislation to enable Crown to sit aside from most planning laws and basically do as they please. Oh, that's right, Jeff Kennett.

Laying the problems of Crown at the feet of the ALP is a bit rich.

Crown legislation was basically set up to protect them from regulation.

 

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I wonder who it was who wrote a new set of legislation to enable Crown to sit aside from most planning laws and basically do as they please. Oh, that's right, Jeff Kennett.

Laying the problems of Crown at the feet of the ALP is a bit rich.

Crown legislation was basically set up to protect them from regulation.

he also called in the tender where his m8s weren't the successful bidders. re-tendered and guess what.......i'm sure it was all tickety-boo tho.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

1) we need a solution now, not in a year's time

2) the Linfox family would burn the joint rather than not make a lot of money on the deal.

3) a detention camp behind barbed wire is not suitable for F1 or the bikes. These people stay in five star hotels and you think they will stay in a detention camp with prettier curtains

4) local farmers will object. Also you have places like Lara which will object. Noone wants to be next door to a toxic dump or a leper colony

Who's talking about a detention camp with barbed wire apart from you? You have a facility with 16 internal, segregated units. One unit for each day of the 14 day quarantine period, one unit getting used on rotation, as one unit empties out, you take it off line for a day while it gets a deep clean and use the spare one and one unit for those that for whatever reason need to stay for longer than 14 days. As they arrive, they are put into a unit with their own team of staff and they all stay in the unit together for the 14 days.

In your previous post you said months now you're saying a year?

So the Linfox family makes money, someone is going to whatever the government decide to do. We can give the money to an Aussie family or all of the foreign owned hotel chains and let the cases keep leaking out.

Why would the farmers object? I'm not talking about any compulsory acquisitions, we're talking about building on land which is within the existing boundary of the airport.

Why would Lara locals object? They're on the other side of the hwy, the people are flying directly into the facility, they are not being bussed there from Tullamarine, there is no need for them to go anywhere near Lara. If it was opened for long enough, it would probably end up half staffed by Lara people like Barwon is.

 

[Saint]

1) we need a solution now, not in a year's time

2) the Linfox family would burn the joint rather than not make a lot of money on the deal.

3) a detention camp behind barbed wire is not suitable for F1 or the bikes. These people stay in five star hotels and you think they will stay in a detention camp with prettier curtains

4) local farmers will object. Also you have places like Lara which will object. Noone wants to be next door to a toxic dump or a leper colony

Avalon is already next door to a toxic dump, the Treatment plant which is all sorts of contaminated from back in the day. Everything south of the Highway in that area you can't really farm. But 14 days quarantine there won't have any lasting affects. It's all state-owned land already and just the other side of the Avalon fence (Is Avalon Linfox owned or Crown land leased by Linfox's company?)

Ship in some mining accommodation units. They've all got AC all you need is power, water input and output is pretty bloody close nearby. This should have been done 12 months ago when it was recognised that quarantine was needed the Commonwealth should have done something and the State should have demanded it. We might not be china who can build a hospital in 2 weeks, but if we can't build a quarantine system in 12 months, then this is just going to happen all over again.

HQ is a shambles, perhaps necessary initially, but we should have a better solution in place by now.

 

[eddiesmith]

Avalon is already next door to a toxic dump, the Treatment plant which is all sorts of contaminated from back in the day. Everything south of the Highway in that area you can't really farm. But 14 days quarantine there won't have any lasting affects.

Ship in some mining accommodation units. They've all got AC all you need is power, water input and output is pretty bloody close nearby. This should have been done 12 months ago when it was recognised that quarantine was needed the Commonwealth should have done something and the State should have demanded it. We might not be china who can build a hospital in 2 weeks, but if we can't build a quarantine system in 12 months, then this is just going to happen all over again.

HQ is a shambles, perhaps necessary initially, but we should have a better solution in place by now.

Probably because the state government had the attitude that quarantine wasn’t that important and it was nothing more than a short term babysitting exercise with zero health risks. Even 12 months later and multiple failures, their attitude still hasn’t changed!

Hell Dan thinks Victoria’s HQ system is the best in the world and everyone else wishes they were as good as Victoria...

But the biggest thing holding us back is this ridiculous belief that a vaccine would come and everyone could return to normal!

 

[hawkman]

Avalon is already next door to a toxic dump, the Treatment plant which is all sorts of contaminated from back in the day. Everything south of the Highway in that area you can't really farm. But 14 days quarantine there won't have any lasting affects. It's all state-owned land already and just the other side of the Avalon fence (Is Avalon Linfox owned or Crown land leased by Linfox's company?)

Ship in some mining accommodation units. They've all got AC all you need is power, water input and output is pretty bloody close nearby. This should have been done 12 months ago when it was recognised that quarantine was needed the Commonwealth should have done something and the State should have demanded it. We might not be china who can build a hospital in 2 weeks, but if we can't build a quarantine system in 12 months, then this is just going to happen all over again.

HQ is a shambles, perhaps necessary initially, but we should have a better solution in place by now.

When was the last time anything in this country was done for the kind of size that would be required within 12 months

It would be an absolutely minimum of 18 months and probably closer to 24.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Who's talking about a detention camp with barbed wire apart from you? You have a facility with 16 internal, segregated units. One unit for each day of the 14 day quarantine period, one unit getting used on rotation, as one unit empties out, you take it off line for a day while it gets a deep clean and use the spare one and one unit for those that for whatever reason need to stay for longer than 14 days. As they arrive, they are put into a unit with their own team of staff and they all stay in the unit together for the 14 days.

In your previous post you said months now you're saying a year?

So the Linfox family makes money, someone is going to whatever the government decide to do. We can give the money to an Aussie family or all of the foreign owned hotel chains and let the cases keep leaking out.

Why would the farmers object? I'm not talking about any compulsory acquisitions, we're talking about building on land which is within the existing boundary of the airport.

Why would Lara locals object? They're on the other side of the hwy, the people are flying directly into the facility, they are not being bussed there from Tullamarine, there is no need for them to go anywhere near Lara. If it was opened for long enough, it would probably end up half staffed by Lara people like Barwon is.

you're talking accom that can hold 5000 people at a time - triple that if you want international students. these people need to be movement restricted and unable to leave the facility. that means, like it or not, a detention camp

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Avalon is already next door to a toxic dump, the Treatment plant which is all sorts of contaminated from back in the day. Everything south of the Highway in that area you can't really farm. But 14 days quarantine there won't have any lasting affects. It's all state-owned land already and just the other side of the Avalon fence (Is Avalon Linfox owned or Crown land leased by Linfox's company?)

Ship in some mining accommodation units. They've all got AC all you need is power, water input and output is pretty bloody close nearby. This should have been done 12 months ago when it was recognised that quarantine was needed the Commonwealth should have done something and the State should have demanded it. We might not be china who can build a hospital in 2 weeks, but if we can't build a quarantine system in 12 months, then this is just going to happen all over again.

HQ is a shambles, perhaps necessary initially, but we should have a better solution in place by now.

forgotten point henry and point wilson already? both derailed because of local objections

whether objections are fair or not is irrelevant (and ftr i think they are not). it burns time because there has to be a hearing, and blah blah blah, six months is lost.

on mining units, you need for around 5000 people at any time. with units having often just 1-2 people in them, how many units do you envisage?



This is the issue with the "lets shove them in the middle of nowhere" plan. its the scale of the numbers, the need to support them with staff, and the need for access to medical care - all of which does not impact upon the local community

 

[hawkman]

forgotten point henry and point wilson already? both derailed because of local objections

whether objections are fair or not is irrelevant (and ftr i think they are not). it burns time because there has to be a hearing, and blah blah blah, six months is lost.

on mining units, you need for around 5000 people at any time. with units having often just 1-2 people in them, how many units do you envisage?



This is the issue with the "lets shove them in the middle of nowhere" plan. its the scale of the numbers, the need to support them with staff, and the need for access to medical care - all of which does not impact upon the local community

Also what happens if an outbreak occurs in this centre, where do you then put new people?

Just read the cap is going up to 6,000 next week so you would need 12,000 spaces to match HQ

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

you're talking accom that can hold 5000 people at a time - triple that if you want international students. these people need to be movement restricted and unable to leave the facility. that means, like it or not, a detention camp

I was talking about using it for international students when there were hardly any, if any Aussie citizens needing to be repatriated.

Yes, you have a great big fence around it all, but why barbed wire? They're currently in 2 weeks of detention in a hotel with guards, what the hell is the difference?

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

forgotten point henry and point wilson already? both derailed because of local objections

whether objections are fair or not is irrelevant (and ftr i think they are not). it burns time because there has to be a hearing, and blah blah blah, six months is lost.

on mining units, you need for around 5000 people at any time. with units having often just 1-2 people in them, how many units do you envisage?



This is the issue with the "lets shove them in the middle of nowhere" plan. its the scale of the numbers, the need to support them with staff, and the need for access to medical care - all of which does not impact upon the local community

With Point Henry (my old man worked there for 26 years), you can't fly a plane in there, as far as I'm aware all of the aluminium infrastructure is still there and the ground is heavily contaminated. You'd either have to bus the people through the city to get to it or ferry them across on boats from somewhere.

Isn't Point Wilson restricted for munitions or something?