But unless Israel annexes Area C of the West Bank, these settlers aren't legally living IN Israel! Did U.N Resolution 242 give them special status?
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But unless Israel annexes Area C of the West Bank, these settlers aren't legally living IN Israel! Did U.N Resolution 242 give them special status?
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And yet every peace deal that has gotten even vaguely close includes Israel keeping a great many of them...It's almost like UN resolutions don't matter much...
Pretty ironic considering the role of the United Nations in the creation of modern Israel. This 2012 Guardian (U.K) article and reposted on the Independent Australian Jewish Voices website, says there is growing support, from both sides, for a bi-national solution instead of two states.
I'm a fan of the one-state solution. Jews deserve to live in the area. Palestinians deserve to live in the area. There should never in international law be allowed a state where one ethnic or religious group is favoured over any other.
A bi or multi-national (Christians assign value to Jerusalem as well as Bethlehem too) state is I think the only ethical way forward for all cultures.
If Hamas wants an ethnically pure Islamic State they should be told to go f*ck themselves.
Likewise any other religion or ethnic group (or 'splinter' thereof) that rejects an open, tolerant and equal society.
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The UN stuffing it all up you mean?
If you want a one state solution, go back further to 1917 and the the Balfour declaration (which was incorporated into the treaty of Sevres and the League of nations mandate)
Those words would have been great if subsequent events played out like they were intended to. I guess the Balfour signatories couldn't predict a Hitler rising out of the ruined Weimar Republic and implanting a 'never again' edict into those Jews that sought Israel as a refuge.
While 'never again' is most definitely understandable in light of what the Shoah brought to and inflicted on the Jewish people, it has unfortunately poisoned the modern Israeli mindset.
herzl was before everything, and chaim weizmann, and ze'ev jabotinsky. it was more from the central/eastern antisemitism pre-3rd reich, and even predated d'affaire Dreyfus
Ze'ev Jabotinsky, as far as I can read into his history, was a bad bastard in terms of his 'Jews first and foremost, and to hell with everyone else' ideology. The 'youth movement' known as Betar that he founded in Poland later became the Irgun group when it was transplanted over to Palestine.
there is nothing quite like a thread full people using pictures with writing on it to make a point
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Maybe something to do with the Palestinians shooting first?
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what ever helps you sleep at night aye
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Hey, you're the one who thinks only Australians who die of terrorism count. (at least when you're trying to show how uncommon it is).
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i dont think australian life is more special than non-australian
patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel...
What makes the lives of the 2100 Palestinians (many of whom were terrorists) who died from the recent Hamas/Israel conflict (mainly as a result of hamas's human shield tactics) worth more than the 2000 nigerians slaughtered by Hamas Boko Haram?
Hamas/Boko Haram/Al Queda/Islamic Jihad in Palestine/Taliban.. which ones are your favourite Racey? Surely hamas, because Israeli lives are worth the least to you ey?
Islamic terrorists shoot and kill 17 innocent people. Boko haram slaughter 2000, But what really matters is the 'potential' backlash on muslims right??
Shouldn't you be on the conspiracy board champ? Keep up the good work!
Hamas/Boko Haram/Al Queda/Islamic Jihad in Palestine/Taliban.. which ones are your favourite Racey? Surely hamas, because Israeli lives are worth the least to you ey?
Islamic terrorists shoot and kill 17 innocent people. Boko haram slaughter 2000, But what really matters is the 'potential' backlash on muslims right??
Shouldn't you be on the conspiracy board champ? Keep up the good work!
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Palestinians preparing lawsuits against Israeli leaders who ordered destruction of Gaza homes
http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-C...-who-ordered-destruction-of-Gaza-homes-388097
A Palestinian looks out from the remains of his house in Beit Hanun, a town in the northern Gaza Strip.. (photo credit:REUTERS)
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Palestinian officials are preparing cases to bring before the International Criminal Court against Israeli officials who ordered the destruction of residences in the Gaza Strip as well as other types of cases.
The home destruction files were being prepared along with lawsuits against those responsible for the confiscation of land and the building of settlements, Mustafa Barghouthi, a member of Fatah's Executive Committee told the pan-Arab daily Al-Hayat on Sunday.
"The day will come when the government and the Israeli army commanders and all 650,000 settlers will be wanted in various countries around the world and will not be able to travel," Barghouti said.
"We will reach a day when the only line open to Israeli leaders is Tel Aviv to Washington, because the United States is the only country that does not apply the decisions of the International Criminal Court," he added.
ICC prosecutor Fatou Bensouda late Friday initiated a preliminary probe into whether the IDF committed war crimes during the recent Gaza war and, more seriously, declared definitively that Palestine is a state for the purpose of such an investigation.
The declaration of “Palestine” as a state is the most serious escalation toward possible war crimes trials of IDF personnel and Israeli leaders the country has yet faced.
The Palestinian Authority and Hamas on Saturday welcomed the ICC decision.
The PA Foreign Ministry hailed the decision as a “positive and significant step toward achieving justice and respecting international law.”
The ministry said the Palestinian decision to join the ICC was aimed at “putting an end to Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity.”
It said that the Palestinians were seeking to bring the perpetrators of war crimes to international justice “in honor of the martyrs and to protect the Palestinians from becoming victims to future violations.”
Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri also praised the ICC decision as a “step in the right direction.” He called for pursuing all efforts to bring Israeli leaders to trial.
Khaled Abu-Toameh and Yonah Jeremy Bob contributed to this report.
http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-C...-who-ordered-destruction-of-Gaza-homes-388097
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A Palestinian looks out from the remains of his house in Beit Hanun, a town in the northern Gaza Strip.. (photo credit:REUTERS)
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Palestinian officials are preparing cases to bring before the International Criminal Court against Israeli officials who ordered the destruction of residences in the Gaza Strip as well as other types of cases.
The home destruction files were being prepared along with lawsuits against those responsible for the confiscation of land and the building of settlements, Mustafa Barghouthi, a member of Fatah's Executive Committee told the pan-Arab daily Al-Hayat on Sunday.
"The day will come when the government and the Israeli army commanders and all 650,000 settlers will be wanted in various countries around the world and will not be able to travel," Barghouti said.
"We will reach a day when the only line open to Israeli leaders is Tel Aviv to Washington, because the United States is the only country that does not apply the decisions of the International Criminal Court," he added.
ICC prosecutor Fatou Bensouda late Friday initiated a preliminary probe into whether the IDF committed war crimes during the recent Gaza war and, more seriously, declared definitively that Palestine is a state for the purpose of such an investigation.
The declaration of “Palestine” as a state is the most serious escalation toward possible war crimes trials of IDF personnel and Israeli leaders the country has yet faced.
The Palestinian Authority and Hamas on Saturday welcomed the ICC decision.
The PA Foreign Ministry hailed the decision as a “positive and significant step toward achieving justice and respecting international law.”
The ministry said the Palestinian decision to join the ICC was aimed at “putting an end to Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity.”
It said that the Palestinians were seeking to bring the perpetrators of war crimes to international justice “in honor of the martyrs and to protect the Palestinians from becoming victims to future violations.”
Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri also praised the ICC decision as a “step in the right direction.” He called for pursuing all efforts to bring Israeli leaders to trial.
Khaled Abu-Toameh and Yonah Jeremy Bob contributed to this report.
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Israeli-Palestinian conflict 07:15
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In a statement Friday, the court's top prosecutor said the decision follows the Palestinians' signing of the Rome Statute.
In doing so, they officially become ICC members on April 1, giving the court jurisdiction over alleged crimes in Palestinian territories.
While a preliminary examination is not a formal investigation, it allows the court to review evidence and determine whether to investigate suspects on both sides.
"There are no timelines provided in the Rome Statute for a decision on a preliminary examination," the ICC said in a statement.
Israeli residents and relatives take cover from a rocket attack from Palestinian militants from Gaza during the funeral of Israeli soldier Cpl. Meidan Maymon Biton, 20, at the cemetery of the southern Israeli city of Netivot on July 29, 2014.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described the inquiry as an "outrage," saying the court is overstepping its boundaries.
"The Palestinian Authority is not a country and therefore it is not the court's place, also according to its own rules, to carry out an examination like this," Netanyahu told the Jerusalem Post.
The United States also said it "strongly" disagreed with the court's decision.
"As we have said repeatedly, we do not believe that Palestine is a state and therefore we do not believe that it is eligible to join the ICC," the State Department said in a statement.
It urged the warring sides to resolve their differences through direct negotiations.
"We will continue to oppose actions against Israel at the ICC as counterproductive to the cause of peace," it said.
But the ICC begs to differ with the definition of a state for its purposes and refers to the territories as "Palestine."
"The Office considers that, since Palestine was granted observer State status in the UN by the UNGA (General Assembly), it must be considered a "State" for the purposes of accession to the Rome Statute," it said in a statement.
Palestinian emergency personnel dig through the rubble of a building destroyed in an Israeli military strike in Rafah in the south of Gaza on August 21, 2014.
Prosecutor Fatou Bensouda said her office will "conduct its analysis in full independence and impartiality."
The latest war between Israel and Hamas militants in Gaza left more than 2,000 people dead last summer. The inquiry will include alleged war crimes committed since June.
The International Criminal Court was set up in 2002 to prosecute genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes.
As members of the court, Palestinians may be subjected to counter-charges as well.
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srael's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has slammed the decision by the International Criminal Court to launch a preliminary investigation into possible war crimes in the Palestinian territories, saying it is "absurd".
Speaking in West Jerusalem on Saturday, a day after the decision was made, Netanyahu said: "It's absurd of the ICC to ignore international law and agreements under which the Palestinians don't have a state and can only get one through direct negotiations with Israel. The rules of the ICC are clear: No state, no standing, no case."
The preliminary probe does not mean war crimes were committed but will seek to determine whether preliminary findings merit a full investigation into alleged atrocities, which could result in charges being brought against individuals in either Israeli or Palestinian territories.
Palestine applied to join the ICC in December and has since signed the Rome treaty, the charter that led to the formation of the ICC in 2002. It is due to join the court in April but its membership will be backdated to June 2014, meaning that the court will have jurisdiction to look into last summer's offensive between Israel and the Palestinian group Hamas.
The conflict, which left the Gaza Strip run by Hamas devastated, killed more than 2,300 Palestinians, mostly women and children. Israel says it lost 73 people, most of them soldiers.
Netanyahu said Israel upholds "high standards of international law" and that the country's "actions are subjected to careful and constant review of an independent legal system".
"But this decision is even more preposterous given that Israel is legitimately defending itself against Palestinian terrorists who routinely commit multiple war crimes," said Netanyahu.
"They deliberately fire thousands of rockets at our civilians while hiding behind Palestinian civilians whom they use as human shields."
Hamas hails decision
The comments were a veiled reference to Hamas, which said on Saturday it welcomed the ICC's decision.
Fawzi Barhoum, a spokesman for Hamas, said the group would provide the ICC with "thousands of reports" suggesting "horrible crimes" were committed.
"What is needed now is to quickly take practical steps in this direction and we are ready to provide [the court] with thousands of reports and documents that confirm the Zionist enemy has committed horrible crimes against Gaza and against our people."
Israel rejected the court's Friday decision as hypocrisy and the US State Department said it was "a tragic irony that Israel, which has withstood thousands of terrorist rockets fired at its civilians and its neighborhoods, is now being scrutinized by the ICC".
Israel in 2005 pulled its settlers and troops out of Gaza, which remains under an Israeli and Egyptian blockade.
Palestinians seek statehood in Gaza and the West Bank.
Palestinian foreign minstry officials said on Friday that "everything is going according to plan" and that "no state and nobody can now stop this action we requested".
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Al Jazeera and agencies
Story highlights
- An inquiry allows the court to review evidence and determine whether to file charges
- The U.S. calls for negotiations between Palestinian, Israeli officials
In a statement Friday, the court's top prosecutor said the decision follows the Palestinians' signing of the Rome Statute.
In doing so, they officially become ICC members on April 1, giving the court jurisdiction over alleged crimes in Palestinian territories.
While a preliminary examination is not a formal investigation, it allows the court to review evidence and determine whether to investigate suspects on both sides.
"There are no timelines provided in the Rome Statute for a decision on a preliminary examination," the ICC said in a statement.
Israeli residents and relatives take cover from a rocket attack from Palestinian militants from Gaza during the funeral of Israeli soldier Cpl. Meidan Maymon Biton, 20, at the cemetery of the southern Israeli city of Netivot on July 29, 2014.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described the inquiry as an "outrage," saying the court is overstepping its boundaries.
"The Palestinian Authority is not a country and therefore it is not the court's place, also according to its own rules, to carry out an examination like this," Netanyahu told the Jerusalem Post.
The United States also said it "strongly" disagreed with the court's decision.
"As we have said repeatedly, we do not believe that Palestine is a state and therefore we do not believe that it is eligible to join the ICC," the State Department said in a statement.
It urged the warring sides to resolve their differences through direct negotiations.
"We will continue to oppose actions against Israel at the ICC as counterproductive to the cause of peace," it said.
But the ICC begs to differ with the definition of a state for its purposes and refers to the territories as "Palestine."
"The Office considers that, since Palestine was granted observer State status in the UN by the UNGA (General Assembly), it must be considered a "State" for the purposes of accession to the Rome Statute," it said in a statement.
Palestinian emergency personnel dig through the rubble of a building destroyed in an Israeli military strike in Rafah in the south of Gaza on August 21, 2014.
Prosecutor Fatou Bensouda said her office will "conduct its analysis in full independence and impartiality."
The latest war between Israel and Hamas militants in Gaza left more than 2,000 people dead last summer. The inquiry will include alleged war crimes committed since June.
The International Criminal Court was set up in 2002 to prosecute genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes.
As members of the court, Palestinians may be subjected to counter-charges as well.
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srael's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has slammed the decision by the International Criminal Court to launch a preliminary investigation into possible war crimes in the Palestinian territories, saying it is "absurd".
Speaking in West Jerusalem on Saturday, a day after the decision was made, Netanyahu said: "It's absurd of the ICC to ignore international law and agreements under which the Palestinians don't have a state and can only get one through direct negotiations with Israel. The rules of the ICC are clear: No state, no standing, no case."
The preliminary probe does not mean war crimes were committed but will seek to determine whether preliminary findings merit a full investigation into alleged atrocities, which could result in charges being brought against individuals in either Israeli or Palestinian territories.
Palestine applied to join the ICC in December and has since signed the Rome treaty, the charter that led to the formation of the ICC in 2002. It is due to join the court in April but its membership will be backdated to June 2014, meaning that the court will have jurisdiction to look into last summer's offensive between Israel and the Palestinian group Hamas.
The conflict, which left the Gaza Strip run by Hamas devastated, killed more than 2,300 Palestinians, mostly women and children. Israel says it lost 73 people, most of them soldiers.
Netanyahu said Israel upholds "high standards of international law" and that the country's "actions are subjected to careful and constant review of an independent legal system".
"But this decision is even more preposterous given that Israel is legitimately defending itself against Palestinian terrorists who routinely commit multiple war crimes," said Netanyahu.
"They deliberately fire thousands of rockets at our civilians while hiding behind Palestinian civilians whom they use as human shields."
Hamas hails decision
The comments were a veiled reference to Hamas, which said on Saturday it welcomed the ICC's decision.
Fawzi Barhoum, a spokesman for Hamas, said the group would provide the ICC with "thousands of reports" suggesting "horrible crimes" were committed.
"What is needed now is to quickly take practical steps in this direction and we are ready to provide [the court] with thousands of reports and documents that confirm the Zionist enemy has committed horrible crimes against Gaza and against our people."
Israel rejected the court's Friday decision as hypocrisy and the US State Department said it was "a tragic irony that Israel, which has withstood thousands of terrorist rockets fired at its civilians and its neighborhoods, is now being scrutinized by the ICC".
Israel in 2005 pulled its settlers and troops out of Gaza, which remains under an Israeli and Egyptian blockade.
Palestinians seek statehood in Gaza and the West Bank.
Palestinian foreign minstry officials said on Friday that "everything is going according to plan" and that "no state and nobody can now stop this action we requested".
Source:
Al Jazeera and agencies
telsor
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Yet somehow you reverted to that when the 'facts' you claimed were shown to be complete crap.
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what facts?
you are upset with reason.com claiming you are four times more likely to die from lightening than terrorism?
why dont you write them an angry email to make yourself feel better.
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Your unhealthy obsession with Israel and the jooos is getting rather boring. It's quite funny how you have such a defence for Muslims (and Islamic terrorism) but loath Jews in general and israelis (who are the ones fighting terrorism). Your constant posting for wacky conspiracies and general fuffery is really wearing thin. My personal favourite was when you supported the whole 'Mossad killed the Parisians' conspiracy. That one was a classic!
But keep going sunshine. I'm sure someone (maybe? Probably not) out there also likes reading your tripe and enjoys living in your wacky looney land.
Before you crawl back to the conspiracy board, just do us one favour, just one, please tell us what your smoking and where you can get it from. I want to see what it's like in looneyville, just for a day.
But keep going sunshine. I'm sure someone (maybe? Probably not) out there also likes reading your tripe and enjoys living in your wacky looney land.
Before you crawl back to the conspiracy board, just do us one favour, just one, please tell us what your smoking and where you can get it from. I want to see what it's like in looneyville, just for a day.
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i just looked over your post history and seemingly 90% is isreal / jews
whos got the obsession?
It's quite funny how you have such a defence for Muslims (and Islamic terrorism) but loath Jews in general and israelis (who are the ones fighting terrorism). Your constant posting for wacky conspiracies and general fuffery is really wearing thin. My personal favourite was when you supported the whole 'Mossad killed the Parisians' conspiracy. That one was a classic!
But keep going sunshine. I'm sure someone (maybe? Probably not) out there also likes reading your tripe and enjoys living in your wacky looney land.
Before you crawl back to the conspiracy board, just do us one favour, just one, please tell us what your smoking and where you can get it from. I want to see what it's like in looneyville, just for a day.
its quite funny / hateful you have such a attack for muslims. I dont defend terroism, however, i can see what the IRA and ETA are on about and they may have a fair point IMHO. / I dont loath jews, i dislike more cultures and religions evenly, but feel free to feel as you wish. 'Mossad killed the Parisians' conspiracy was actually the president of a Nato nation statement.
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Becoming the first credentialed, well-known media insider to step forward and state publicly that he was secretly a "propagandist," an editor of a major German daily has said that he personally planted stories for the CIA.
Saying he believes a medical condition gives him only a few years to live, and that he is filled with remorse, Dr. Udo Ulfkotte, the editor of Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, one of Germany's largest newspapers, said in an interview that he accepted news stories written and given to him by the CIA and published them under his own name. Ulfkotte said the aim he gathered was the aim of much of the deception was to drive nations toward war.
Dr. Ulfkotte says the corruption of journalists and major news outlets by the CIA is routine, accepted, and widespread in the western media, and that journalists who do not comply either cannot get jobs at any news organization, or find their careers cut short.
http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/...ays-he-planted-stories-for-cia/article/424470
The gov tell the newspaper what to write
s**t, who would of guessed??
Saying he believes a medical condition gives him only a few years to live, and that he is filled with remorse, Dr. Udo Ulfkotte, the editor of Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, one of Germany's largest newspapers, said in an interview that he accepted news stories written and given to him by the CIA and published them under his own name. Ulfkotte said the aim he gathered was the aim of much of the deception was to drive nations toward war.
Dr. Ulfkotte says the corruption of journalists and major news outlets by the CIA is routine, accepted, and widespread in the western media, and that journalists who do not comply either cannot get jobs at any news organization, or find their careers cut short.
http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/...ays-he-planted-stories-for-cia/article/424470
The gov tell the newspaper what to write
s**t, who would of guessed??
There must be an answer. This is not a coincidence. Read a News/Fairfax/ABC article on the current round of Israeli Defence Force bombing of innocent Arab civilians and you would think that the Israelis were merely 'defending themselves'. The same way the US 'defended itself' by invading and pillaging Iraq.
Here is a graphic I have yet to see anywhere in the Aus msm:
And here is a concise summary of what has been taking place in Palestine over the past couple of weeks:
I will give credit to the ABC for the fact that they did air this Louis Theroux documentary. But not many people watch these kinds of documentaries; the vast majority of people get their 'information' from news bulletins and newspapers. Why is it that if you were to ask the average Australian today about what is happening in Israel, they would likely be completely oblivious to the genocide taking place, and probably even supportive of Israel 'defending itself'?
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