Injury 2014 Injury thread

[fronkalicious]

We didn't put him back out there with a broken foot did we?

 

[dogwatch]

We didn't put him back out there with a broken foot did we?

Not sure. I thought I read somewhere that he went back on and got re-injured. Anyway even if it was already broken they wouldn't necessarily have known it was a break until x-rayed. It's not a common injury.

Glad it's not a navicular but I still don't like the sound of it. The problem with the navicular bone is the poor blood supply. Could be a similar issue. Fingers crossed. (And keep your gingers peeled for more news!)

 

[TheHoneyBadger]

(And keep your gingers peeled for more news!)

Oh, we're onto mixed metaphors, delightful More!

 

[doggies ftw]

Lack of news on clay, good or bad?

 

[Black Dog]

http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/2014-07-22/smith-wallis-season-over

Clay and Mitch out for the rest of the season. Clay to undergoe traditional reco. Bugger.

 

[doggies ftw]

* * *kkkk, ahh well he's a resilient little bastard. Morabitto looks ok after what 3 or 4 recos now? Feel so sorry for Clay he doesn't deserve this but we haven't seen the last of him yet that's for sure.

 

[Obscene]

Terrible news with Wallis and Smith - but why doesn't Andrew McKenzie inform all members on the status of Pearce, Fuller and Prudden. Don't we deserve to be updated - what is the motivation / reason for the secrecy ?????

 

[yebiga]

From website
It has been confirmed with MRI that [Clay] has injured his ACL – he has had a specialist review yesterday and it was confirmed that he will need that repaired again — he will go down the [path of a] traditional hamstring repair,” McKenzie said.

I worry about this Mckenzie guys competence. Traditional hamstring repair for an ACL injury. No wonder Prudden is ever right to play.

 

[igloo dweller]

Not sure. I thought I read somewhere that he went back on and got re-injured. Anyway even if it was already broken they wouldn't necessarily have known it was a break until x-rayed. It's not a common injury.

Glad it's not a navicular but I still don't like the sound of it. The problem with the navicular bone is the poor blood supply. Could be a similar issue. Fingers crossed. (And keep your gingers peeled for more news!)

it's not uncommon for someone to avulse the base of their 5th metatarsal. there are some issues with the blood supply to the fractured area, but you'd much rather a B5MT fracture than a navicular fracture! the main issue with B5MT fractures is the force exerted on the fracture site from muscles attaching to the area.

the rehab is a long one (relatively) due to the muscles pulling on the fracture site, delaying or preventing union - so progressions through rehab stages tend to be slower than if he'd fractured the 5th mid-shaft.

mitch should be able to complete a full running load in the pre-season without issues.

 

[flyingfishdang]

From website
It has been confirmed with MRI that [Clay] has injured his ACL – he has had a specialist review yesterday and it was confirmed that he will need that repaired again — he will go down the [path of a] traditional hamstring repair,” McKenzie said.

I worry about this Mckenzie guys competence. Traditional hamstring repair for an ACL injury. No wonder Prudden is ever right to play.

He means that they will use the traditional method of taking a tendon from the Hamstring and placing it in the knee.... Basically what they would do in all ACL repairs.

 

[yebiga]

He means that they will use the traditional method of taking a tendon from the Hamstring and placing it in the knee.... Basically what they would do in all ACL repairs.

Don't like it
The kid still needs his hamstring

 

[gimp!]

Don't like it
The kid still needs his hamstring

I don't think they take the whole hamstring dude.

 

[yebiga]

I don't think they take the whole hamstring dude.

But there is nothing wrong with his hamstring

 

[gimp!]

But there is nothing wrong with his hamstring

Are you questioning modern surgical procedures? Not quite sure what you are saying.

 

[doggies ftw]

If you've already done it once and weakened the hamstring wouldn't you be better off going the LARS treatment, which from my understanding is the same sort of thing just with a fake, man made tendon. Or am I completely off the mark here?

 

[igloo dweller]

if you keep taking tendon from the same muscle, the tendon does weaken - but humans have two legs and if that was a major issue, they could take a graft from clay's other peg.

i'm not disputing that LARS was an option doggies ftw, but i'm going to put my trust in the bloke who's done 10+ years of study and has all the letters after his name...

 

[yebiga]

Why don't they take the tendon from his arse, its bigger and stronger

 

[doggies ftw]

if you keep taking tendon from the same muscle, the tendon does weaken - but humans have two legs and if that was a major issue, they could take a graft from clay's other peg.

i'm not disputing that LARS was an option doggies ftw, but i'm going to put my trust in the bloke who's done 10+ years of study and has all the letters after his name...

Yeah absolutely mate, if that's the advice he's gotten then of course you take it, I just basically said that for a bit of discussion about it, as I have no idea

 

[Dav1d]

LARS surgery is where they put an artificial implant in?

Wouldn't there be a risk that the implant would deteriorate?
especially in a sport where there is a lot of running involved

 

[Chris Grant]

LARS surgery is where they put an artificial implant in?

Wouldn't there be a risk that the implant would deteriorate?
especially in a sport where there is a lot of running involved

One doctor I've spoken to reckons LARS only lasts a maximum of 7 years.

 

[flyingfishdang]

I think the risk with LARS is that the fake tendon doesn't 'take' to the knee as well. There needs to be a piece of the tendon left in the damaged knee still attached to attach the fake tendon to, hence it can snap.

 

[igloo dweller]

LARS is when a synthetic ligament used to replace the ACL instead of the traditional tendon grafts. while the recovery time is generally shorter (nick malceksi has had two, returning within ~4 months both times), the anecdotal data suggests that re-injury rates may be higher. there isn't the body of medical evidence for LARS when compared to other graft sites like achilles or patella tendon. most AFL guys have hammy grafts now, but there used to be a split between hammy and patella tendons.

concensus amoung sports physicians is that young players, with careers in front of them undergo traditional hammy grafts, while guys at the end of careers may opt for LARS as the consequences of a repeat ACL tear aren't as drastic for them.

 

[etsal1]

Shocking news about Smith. Love watching the kid play. Hope his rehab goes smoothly and he's back ASAP.

 

[doggies ftw]

concensus amoung sports physicians is that young players, with careers in front of them undergo traditional hammy grafts, while guys at the end of careers may opt for LARS as the consequences of a repeat ACL tear aren't as drastic for them.

Yeah that makes sense, strange that Troy Menzel would opt for the LARS in his underage year (or even the year before?) will be interesting to see how it pans out for the kid, they really need to put some money into the research because if LARS can turn out reliable it would be huge for the sporting world.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

It's logical that older players would do LARS to try and prolong his career. I think David Rodan had multiple LARS surgery?
Smith has got a whole career ahead of him. Lets get his knee right and hopefully he can be back fit and firing ASAP