News 2014 Saints Media Thread

[Sheeza69]

Believe what you want.

We have been mismanaged since 2011. Which is why we are a basket case. Simply put, we are the weakest team by 20% in the league! with our best 3 players over 30 and our 5th best over 30. So worse to come.
A reality we are resigned to... And has been accepted.

But to suggest it was inevitable, is false.

The 3 well managed clubs at the top didn't accept inevitable decline.

The 3 shockers have been rebuilding for over 5 years and look as far away as ever.

When you consider how driven Lyon was in winning the ultimate prize, this caused him to alter our drafting/trading direction to suit our immediate needs..Our bottom 6 in our best 22, was the weakness with our list..
No doubt as a club, we got tunnel vision with our trading/drafting philosophy for a few years..
We needed a line breaker, & if Lovett could've kept his hands to himself he might've been the difference in 2010..
Some of my best memories of over 40 years bleeding for the Saints, can all be attributed to R.Lyon though..!
It was obvious the list was spent, so we let BJ have his fat pay cheque & last year gave Dal & Macca a push..
This has fast tracked our bottoming out, as much as some of the draft picks we've p...ed up against a wall in recent years..(Cripps & Lynch)

Since the draft came in over 25 years ago, we'd be lucky to have a 10% success rate with out first rd picks other than the 2001-2004 period..
We drafted Steve Sims in 87 with pick 2, & hadn't even bothered to at least ring him to see if he'd cross the border..
Naturally he stayed in SA..

 

[Defacto]

there are so many arguments to support why a coach shouldnt be given the final say and should be kept at arms length from list management and draft decisions

it'd be harder to find a reason why the coach should have the final say and should be actively involved

not sure what watters point is

 

[joop]

Few Comments

Brooks and Watts were perfectly acceptable selections ATT

Both FRPs from other clubs who had development and were reluctantly traded, after showing promise. Both seen as bargains ATT

I did stipulate that 2009 was the year that tore the fabric of the club... It paved the way for the ensuing exodus of senior stars... Who were reluctant but also sensed the club was not too upset with the prospect of losing them... In the case of Macca. It was a decision to sell him.

Lyon was allowed to pursue other parties, because during the whole 2011 season he was left hanging as the club was still deciding as to his worth for 8 months? He hated the Pelchin appt and was happy to move on considering the board didn't lock him up in season.

It is heartbreaking to know many of our stars who have left, not only prospered away, but are glad they left.

Have we expedited the process of challenging? There are no guarantees....

But we have sold part of our soul to he we do?

The farewell of R.Harvey, J. Blake, Kosi, Milney.... Just great. Not enough of our champions are retained.

We are going through a rebuild, yeh it was s**t seeing dal, bj and mcevoy leave, but are you gonna come back in 5 years still bitching and moaning if we've won a flag? I think not.
Take the good, take the bad, enjoy the ride.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Not surprised the media are already misreporting this. Watters said in his interview that he as head coach didn't get the final say, he didn't say he didn't have a say.

Just saw it now. And yeah, "oooh shouldn't the coach have final say" , "not always " says mathew lloyd, "ooooh" surprised looks.
If We'd had Pelch at the helm in 2009 we'd have won the gf in 2010. Michael Barlow alone probably would have been enough.

 

[Big Mart]

One drafting call, only one would've made the difference. Wasn't to be?

Pick any of
2001 Ball instead of Judd
Or
2004 Swallow (as an under ager we interviewed and thought he couldn't kick?) chose Mark McGough who we knew couldn't run or kick?
Or
2004 Heath Grundy... Stupidly overlooked instead of Gwilt
Or
2006 Jack Riewoldt or James Frawley... Both with club ties... Instead of Dave Armitage
Or
2008 Jack Trengrove instead of Tom Lynch
Or
2009 Michael Barlow who trained with us, but we didn't rate as high as Nicholas Winmar
Or
2008 Ben Cousins for pick 83 instead of Colm Begley?
Or
Letting go Luke Ball to the eventual team that beat us?! Still the worse trading/recruiting blunder ever at StK

Any ONE of these recruiting changes and we have 1 or 2 or 3 flags

 

[Persevering Saint]

Scott Watters Sunday interview.

http://www.jump-in.com.au/show/aflsundayfootyshow/videos/3660601747001/

 

[Periphery]

Scott Watters Sunday interview.

http://www.jump-in.com.au/show/aflsundayfootyshow/videos/3660601747001/

I can't comment on that, but I will say

 

[Ducky Tie]

Understandable for the media to have a crack at us at the moment but for Hutchison to make his pretty little list and say that we only have five young players who will make it is a bit much. He wouldn't have a clue which of our kids will make it. He guesses when he doesn't know, to suit his argument.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Understandable for the media to have a crack at us at the moment but for Hutchison to make his pretty little list and say that we only have five young players who will make it is a bit much. He wouldn't have a clue which of our kids will make it. He guesses when he doesn't know, to suit his argument.

Haha who was on his list.
Newnes, Dunstan, Acres, Bruce, Billings would seem to be bloody obviously on the way, then you'd hope that maybe one or two of the others work out.
WHat an idiot.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Pretty sad when Matthew Lloyd comes across as the smartest guy in the room.

 

[VDS66]

One drafting call, only one would've made the difference. Wasn't to be?

Pick any of
2001 Ball instead of Judd
Or
2004 Swallow (as an under ager we interviewed and thought he couldn't kick?) chose Mark McGough who we knew couldn't run or kick?
Or
2004 Heath Grundy... Stupidly overlooked instead of Gwilt
Or
2006 Jack Riewoldt or James Frawley... Both with club ties... Instead of Dave Armitage
Or
2008 Jack Trengrove instead of Tom Lynch
Or
2009 Michael Barlow who trained with us, but we didn't rate as high as Nicholas Winmar
Or
2008 Ben Cousins for pick 83 instead of Colm Begley?
Or
Letting go Luke Ball to the eventual team that beat us?! Still the worse trading/recruiting blunder ever at StK

Any ONE of these recruiting changes and we have 1 or 2 or 3 flags

Bloody Pelchin...

 

[Mindtraveller]

One drafting call, only one would've made the difference. Wasn't to be?

Pick any of
2001 Ball instead of Judd
Or
2004 Swallow (as an under ager we interviewed and thought he couldn't kick?) chose Mark McGough who we knew couldn't run or kick?
Or
2004 Heath Grundy... Stupidly overlooked instead of Gwilt
Or
2006 Jack Riewoldt or James Frawley... Both with club ties... Instead of Dave Armitage
Or
2008 Jack Trengrove instead of Tom Lynch
Or
2009 Michael Barlow who trained with us, but we didn't rate as high as Nicholas Winmar
Or
2008 Ben Cousins for pick 83 instead of Colm Begley?
Or
Letting go Luke Ball to the eventual team that beat us?! Still the worse trading/recruiting blunder ever at StK

Any ONE of these recruiting changes and we have 1 or 2 or 3 flags

I think we redrafted Gehrig instead of Barlow, that was a mistake.

Cousins I failed a drug test.

 

[sverik25]

Pretty sad when Matthew Lloyd comes across as the smartest guy in the room.

Yeah and Lloydy and Lyon tried to argue that we're as bad as Melbourne last year. Wow.

 

[Ducky Tie]

Haha who was on his list.
Newnes, Dunstan, Acres, Bruce, Billings would seem to be bloody obviously on the way, then you'd hope that maybe one or two of the others work out.
WHat an idiot.

He had Steven, Billlings, Dunstan, Acres and I can't remember his other. Pathetic excuse for a journalist.

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

What an absolute spanner.

100% confident in: (my thoughts)
Jack Newnes
Luke Dunstan
Jack Billings
Jimmy Webster
Tom Hickey
Shane Savage
Dylan Roberton
Jack Steven

^ Obviously hasn't seen half of them play.


Still very confident in:
Blake Acres
Eli Templeton
Josh Bruce
Nathan Wright
Billy Longer
Josh Saunders
Sebastian Ross
Maverick Weller
Cameron Shenton

Yet to be unleashed so unknown: White, Pierce, Markworth and they all looked good at VFL level.

It just proves how much of a dickhead they are.. When they all start to hit the 50 games marks he might get some sort of clue, how that flog has a job in the media is beyond me. (Hutchings).

 

[Big Mart]

To be fair....

If we were honest about the state of the club.... We'd agree we are a million miles away.

Many of those kids are still cutting their teeth... And their ability is still unknown

Re read some assessments on
R.Stanley 2010, A.Siposs 2011, T.Milera 2011, R.Clarke 2005, T.Ledger 2011, X.Clarke 2003
Last year we were on the Saunders, Murdoch train.... Early this year Curran...

Billings has talent and polish
Dunstan has good hands
Acres is a nice size

But to suggest they will be stars is a bit premature..... The may well be... But first they have to become VG senior players... Not just good kids

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I think we redrafted Gehrig instead of Barlow, that was a mistake.

Cousins I failed a drug test.

Gehrig was a year earlier, and still managed to kick 9 goals in 5 games.

No we had more important players to get before we could waste space on Barlow.
The mighty Nick Heyne ( who may have been better with a decent development program ).
Alistair Smith who could get as much of the ball as he wanted in the VFL, but would never be selected because of the flaws that should have been bleeding obvious before we drafted him
Paul Cahill ( who was also taken the pick before Shane Savage ).
Not to mention the mighty Colm Begley.
Then of course were the rookies we couldn't have done without, like Brad Howard, (oops wasn't he already on our list) .

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Gehrig was a year earlier, and still managed to kick 9 goals in 5 games.

No we had more important players to get before we could waste space on Barlow.
The mighty Nick Heyne ( who may have been better with a decent development program ).
Alistair Smith who could get as much of the ball as he wanted in the VFL, but would never be selected because of the flaws that should have been bleeding obvious before we drafted him
Paul Cahill ( who was also taken the pick before Shane Savage ).
Not to mention the mighty Colm Begley.
Then of course were the rookies we couldn't have done without, like Brad Howard, (oops wasn't he already on our list) .

I remember going over the "what could have been" and boy did we * up.. Obviously you could do it for all teams but we just stuffed up so much during those years.

We took Gamble and Polo late in 2010 ND which was a stuff up Dahlhaus, Jenkins, Jonas, Mullett among names that went in the RD that year.

 

[Sainttony]

Gehrig was a year earlier, and still managed to kick 9 goals in 5 games.

No we had more important players to get before we could waste space on Barlow.
The mighty Nick Heyne ( who may have been better with a decent development program ).
Alistair Smith who could get as much of the ball as he wanted in the VFL, but would never be selected because of the flaws that should have been bleeding obvious before we drafted him
Paul Cahill ( who was also taken the pick before Shane Savage ).
Not to mention the mighty Colm Begley.
Then of course were the rookies we couldn't have done without, like Brad Howard, (oops wasn't he already on our list) .

It would be interesting to see what some of these players were like with a decent development program. Not sure we really did enough to get the best out of some if them.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

It would be interesting to see what some of these players were like with a decent development program. Not sure we really did enough to get the best out of some if them.

From my recollection Brad Howard actually arced up and played some decent VFL AFTER we de-listed him.
Then we had Gaertner who walked away.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

From my recollection Brad Howard actually arced up and played some decent VFL AFTER we de-listed him.
Then we had Gaertner who walked away.

Good to see that someone isn't badmouthing us anyway.
http://www.neafl.com.au/index.php?i...]=1525&cHash=2ed7c37d499e7c47432b9583e4b2466b

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Speaking of former players it was a shame Jarryd Allen got that injury really liked him, he is only 26 still. Nothing that sucks more then when players careers are ended by injuries

Jesse Smith another didn't mind taking the punt of him would have been a beauty if injuries didn't strike him, also only 27 currently.

 

[HayesTheChamp]

Speaking of former players it was a shame Jarryd Allen got that injury really liked him, he is only 26 still. Nothing that sucks more then when players careers are ended by injuries

Jesse Smith another didn't mind taking the punt of him would have been a beauty if injuries didn't strike him, also only 27 currently.

I was pretty devastated when Jarryd Allen and Luke Penny succumbed to their respective hip and knee injuries. Luke Penny was an out and out gun at CHB, pretty sure he was close to AA at like age 21, Jarryd Allen in 08, looked like the type of roaming CHF, where Riewoldt could actually play closer to goal. Imagining a three-pronged attack of Roo, Allen and Kosi (who was still able to move) during 09 and 10, I reckon we would've won in 09 and 10. Jeez Jarryd had some potential.

 

[Mowman]

Yeah and Lloydy and Lyon tried to argue that we're as bad as Melbourne last year. Wow.

How are we much better ? we are last club that should have a dig at anyone bloody hell Melbourne have 5000 more members then us

 

[sverik25]

How are we much better ? we are last club that should have a dig at anyone bloody hell Melbourne have 5000 more members then us

I'm not talking about members, Melbourne last year were absolutely hopeless, won 2 games for the year and were flogged almost every other week. I think most would agree we're not that bad.