Toast 2022 Peter Crimmins Medal chat thread

[Fleabane]

I think we've found our new captain in Sicily. Best player, leads by example, great speech. I think he'll have learned a lot from his short stints this year too. Dylan Moore

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Dylan Moore

Age

24

Ht

177cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.9

3star

K

5.1

2star

HB

6.7

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.9

4star

G

0.3

3star

No current season stats available

D

12.2

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

6.2

4star

M

5.4

5star

T

2.8

5star

G

0.4

3star

for possible VC if we go down that route (O'Meara is also clearly in the conversation). Love the excitement and ambition of the younger players.

So pleased we have Sam as head coach. As for Jeff, I did listen to the full rambling speech and wish he'd followed his directions and kept it short. No doubt the people who co-authored his far more considered, recent letter felt the same and were shaking their heads behind the scenes. Underplays the crisis and saves his most passionate delivery for the somewhat laughable line 'We will never apologise!' [for commissioning the review]. Who's asking for that apology?

 

[Simon Crawshay]

Recall a few saying JOM would certainly do better than Mitchell in the PCM as he had an amazing season (he didn’t).

Some people seem to remember JOMs good games (and when he is good he is certainly very eye catching and impactful) yet forget that he has quite a few games every year where he is essentially a non factor (like his start to this year).

Whereas Tom, whilst not being as eye catching and with more obvious limitations, just turns up to play every single week.

I wish we had more players that had his ability to get up for every game TBH. That’s what the good teams like the Cats have, their senior players very rarely (if ever) put in shockers like ours have a habit of doing.

 

[grumbleguts]

Votes per game:

James SICILY	5.591​
Jai NEWCOMBE	5.227​
Dylan MOORE	5.136​
Mitchell LEWIS	4.933​
Jaeger O’MEARA	4.063​
Finn MAGINNESS	3.813​
Tom MITCHELL	3.762​
Blake HARDWICK	3.727​
Jack GUNSTON	3.500​
Changkuoth JIATH	3.357​
Jack SCRIMSHAW	2.950​
Josh WARD	2.857​
Harry MORRISON	2.810​
Sam FROST	2.667​
Chad WINGARD	2.400​
Conor NASH	2.333​
Luke BREUST	2.333​
Ned REEVES	2.250​
Denver GRAINGER-BARRAS	2.000​
James BLANCK	2.000​
Lachlan BRAMBLE	2.000​
Will DAY	1.882​
Connor MACDONALD	1.750​
Jarman IMPEY	1.750​
Ben MCEVOY	1.500​
James WORPEL	1.455​
Jacob KOSCHITZKE	1.313​
Tom PHILLIPS	1.250​
Sam BUTLER	1.111​
Joshua MORRIS	1.071​
Emerson JEKA	1.000​
Jack SAUNDERS	1.000​
Daniel HOWE	0.667​
Jai SERONG	0.667​
Kyle HARTIGAN	0.667​
Liam SHIELS	0.462​
Max LYNCH	0.143​

 

[Suntory Boss Coffee]

Votes per game:

James SICILY	5.591​
Jai NEWCOMBE	5.227​
Dylan MOORE	5.136​
Mitchell LEWIS	4.933​
Jaeger O’MEARA	4.063​
Finn MAGINNESS	3.813​
Tom MITCHELL	3.762​
Blake HARDWICK	3.727​
Jack GUNSTON	3.500​
Changkuoth JIATH	3.357​
Jack SCRIMSHAW	2.950​
Josh WARD	2.857​
Harry MORRISON	2.810​
Sam FROST	2.667​
Chad WINGARD	2.400​
Conor NASH	2.333​
Luke BREUST	2.333​
Ned REEVES	2.250​
Denver GRAINGER-BARRAS	2.000​
James BLANCK	2.000​
Lachlan BRAMBLE	2.000​
Will DAY	1.882​
Connor MACDONALD	1.750​
Jarman IMPEY	1.750​
Ben MCEVOY	1.500​
James WORPEL	1.455​
Jacob KOSCHITZKE	1.313​
Tom PHILLIPS	1.250​
Sam BUTLER	1.111​
Joshua MORRIS	1.071​
Emerson JEKA	1.000​
Jack SAUNDERS	1.000​
Daniel HOWE	0.667​
Jai SERONG	0.667​
Kyle HARTIGAN	0.667​
Liam SHIELS	0.462​
Max LYNCH	0.143​

Suck it JOM haters. 5th votes per game

 

[grumbleguts]

Suck it JOM haters. 5th votes per game

And Finn 6th.

 

[Blackhawk42]

Awkward mistake about the 2020 B&F result.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Awkward mistake about the 2020 B&F result.

Eh?

 

[Blackhawk42]

Eh?

'Mitchell held off Gunston by 6 votes to claim the 2020 award'.

Other way around wasn't it?

 

[HedgeFund]

Finn Maginness is the big midfield standout for mine.

Only 16 games (less than everyone else in the top 10) and finished 8th because he DID HIS JOB.

Moore / Newcombe clear midfield positives.
Mitchell / O’Meara also held their own.

Nash / Worpel / Impey / Day / Wingard negatives due to form / injury.

All of them need to improve in 2023

 

[grumbleguts]

Finn Maginness is the big midfield standout for mine.

Only 16 games (less than everyone else in the top 10) and finished 8th because he DID HIS JOB.

Moore / Newcombe clear midfield positives.
Mitchell / O’Meara also held their own.

Nash / Worpel / Impey / Day / Wingard negatives due to form / injury.

All of them need to improve in 2023

6th in votes per game.

 

[Hawkers Hero]

6th in votes per game.

It's a bit of a cherry pick but if you exclude games as medi sub he is 5th.

Going to an extreme, exclude games as the medi sub and those before he turned tagger against Melbourne he has more votes per game than Sic!

 

[SSSSSS]

Gee good on ya Finn.

 

[grumbleguts]

It's a bit of a cherry pick but if you exclude games as medi sub he is 5th.

Going to an extreme, exclude games as the medi sub and those before he turned tagger against Melbourne he has more votes per game than Sic!

I reckon if we exclude all the games where he didn't get nine votes, he's in line for the brownlow.

 

[HODGEYROAD]

Probably the first time ever I can recall the top 4 coming in exactly the same order as I thought.

Mitch Lewis coming 5th despite missing several games speaks volumes of the season he had.

 

[Flukey!]

A few surprised by Titch?
I seem to recall some weren't expecting him to feature in the top 10.
Shows that even in a "down" year for him, he was playing the role expected of him.

 

[hawkman]

Votes per game:

James SICILY	5.591​
Jai NEWCOMBE	5.227​
Dylan MOORE	5.136​
Mitchell LEWIS	4.933​
Jaeger O’MEARA	4.063​
Finn MAGINNESS	3.813​
Tom MITCHELL	3.762​
Blake HARDWICK	3.727​
Jack GUNSTON	3.500​
Changkuoth JIATH	3.357​
Jack SCRIMSHAW	2.950​
Josh WARD	2.857​
Harry MORRISON	2.810​
Sam FROST	2.667​
Chad WINGARD	2.400​
Conor NASH	2.333​
Luke BREUST	2.333​
Ned REEVES	2.250​
Denver GRAINGER-BARRAS	2.000​
James BLANCK	2.000​
Lachlan BRAMBLE	2.000​
Will DAY	1.882​
Connor MACDONALD	1.750​
Jarman IMPEY	1.750​
Ben MCEVOY	1.500​
James WORPEL	1.455​
Jacob KOSCHITZKE	1.313​
Tom PHILLIPS	1.250​
Sam BUTLER	1.111​
Joshua MORRIS	1.071​
Emerson JEKA	1.000​
Jack SAUNDERS	1.000​
Daniel HOWE	0.667​
Jai SERONG	0.667​
Kyle HARTIGAN	0.667​
Liam SHIELS	0.462​
Max LYNCH	0.143​

Coaches really didn't rate Lynch this year

 

[Slainte]

Finn Maginness is the big midfield standout for mine.

Only 16 games (less than everyone else in the top 10) and finished 8th because he DID HIS JOB.

Moore / Newcombe clear midfield positives.
Mitchell / O’Meara also held their own.

Nash / Worpel / Impey / Day / Wingard negatives due to form / injury.

All of them need to improve in 2023

Tough on Nash who polled quite well given he was required to play as an odd-job man in a number of games. His trajectory remains positive.

 

[PT Bar None]

Ripping result for Finn. Could describe the bloke being at the crossroads last year. Really please for the lad. And Moorey. And everyone else.

 

[KermitJagger]

A few surprised by Titch?
I seem to recall some weren't expecting him to feature in the top 10.
Shows that even in a "down" year for him, he was playing the role expected of him.

I don't think anybody suggested he'd miss the top 10, at least not anyone serious. Just by virtue of not missing anywhere near as many games as most.

 

[HurricaneHazza]

I was there and it was absolutely amazing.. players were so genuine and approachable, the food was amazing and my seat was literally right next to the players.. got to shake Sicilys hand as he went up to the podium to recieve his medal

Was a very good vibe to the room and made it feel as we are really on the right path to future success!

 

[Alite]

Votes per game:

James SICILY	5.591​
Jai NEWCOMBE	5.227​
Dylan MOORE	5.136​
Mitchell LEWIS	4.933​
Jaeger O’MEARA	4.063​
Finn MAGINNESS	3.813​
Tom MITCHELL	3.762​
Blake HARDWICK	3.727​
Jack GUNSTON	3.500​
Changkuoth JIATH	3.357​
Jack SCRIMSHAW	2.950​
Josh WARD	2.857​
Harry MORRISON	2.810​
Sam FROST	2.667​
Chad WINGARD	2.400​
Conor NASH	2.333​
Luke BREUST	2.333​
Ned REEVES	2.250​
Denver GRAINGER-BARRAS	2.000​
James BLANCK	2.000​
Lachlan BRAMBLE	2.000​
Will DAY	1.882​
Connor MACDONALD	1.750​
Jarman IMPEY	1.750​
Ben MCEVOY	1.500​
James WORPEL	1.455​
Jacob KOSCHITZKE	1.313​
Tom PHILLIPS	1.250​
Sam BUTLER	1.111​
Joshua MORRIS	1.071​
Emerson JEKA	1.000​
Jack SAUNDERS	1.000​
Daniel HOWE	0.667​
Jai SERONG	0.667​
Kyle HARTIGAN	0.667​
Liam SHIELS	0.462​
Max LYNCH	0.143​

Brilliant work Grumble. This strips away many misconceptions and shows how the coaches feel about every player.
Again thanks

 

[Alite]

Votes per game:

James SICILY	5.591​
Jai NEWCOMBE	5.227​
Dylan MOORE	5.136​
Mitchell LEWIS	4.933​
Jaeger O’MEARA	4.063​
Finn MAGINNESS	3.813​
Tom MITCHELL	3.762​
Blake HARDWICK	3.727​
Jack GUNSTON	3.500​
Changkuoth JIATH	3.357​
Jack SCRIMSHAW	2.950​
Josh WARD	2.857​
Harry MORRISON	2.810​
Sam FROST	2.667​
Chad WINGARD	2.400​
Conor NASH	2.333​
Luke BREUST	2.333​
Ned REEVES	2.250​
Denver GRAINGER-BARRAS	2.000​
James BLANCK	2.000​
Lachlan BRAMBLE	2.000​
Will DAY	1.882​
Connor MACDONALD	1.750​
Jarman IMPEY	1.750​
Ben MCEVOY	1.500​
James WORPEL	1.455​
Jacob KOSCHITZKE	1.313​
Tom PHILLIPS	1.250​
Sam BUTLER	1.111​
Joshua MORRIS	1.071​
Emerson JEKA	1.000​
Jack SAUNDERS	1.000​
Daniel HOWE	0.667​
Jai SERONG	0.667​
Kyle HARTIGAN	0.667​
Liam SHIELS	0.462​
Max LYNCH	0.143​

37 players rated.

The votes are very revealing.

3 of the bottom 5 are gone.

Kosie (who is an AFL quality player) is in the lower echelon. He wanted to be a fwd but for mine his qualities have always been as a backman. Jeka may have gone past him as a back... not on defensive traits but on offensive capability. And Blank may has sown up the defensive spot. Kosie may have shot himself in the foot by wanting to be a fwd.

Finn got the votes that he deserved for utterly smashing the jobs that he was asked to do. He showed a level of commitment to his task,and the smarts to do it well, that few could. His kicking remains highly suspect but that does not matter when he is shutting down the oppositions best method of moving the ball. IMO Finn will never be a match winner, but he could be a match definer. I hope he never gets a big head and continues to torment opposition players and coaches.

 

[arupist]

Also tells a story about delistings.

Edit: posted at the same time Alite. Jeka may have saved himself with his form late in the season down back.

 

[Alite]

1: James Sicily (Pick 56, ND)
2: Jai Newcombe (MSD)
3: Dylan Moore (Pick 67, ND)
4: Blake Hardwick (Pick 44, ND)
5: Tom Mitchell (Pick 21, ND)
6: Mitch Lewis (Pick 76, ND)

Love it!

Based on the players Draft Year.

Just wondering… could this group be the lowest “rated group in their draft years“ to have won the tops 6 at any teams Club award?

I’d bet it is.

For all the negatives about the Hawks development of players, this is something that should not be forgotten.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Adds a bit more perspective to Morrison, Day and Nash's seasons.