2nd T20 Australia v West Indies Feb 11 1900hrs @ Adelaide Oval

[icyflakes]

Missing the point.

Which is? You just auto review close run outs, no need for an umpire to manually ask for one.

It's a rule change, nothing to say about this scenario which was correctly managed by the umpire.

 

[Altum Volantes]

Huh? Starc is one of the best white ball bowlers of all time and just went for the highest ever price in the IPL, of course he’s playing lol

Some people really don’t like Starc and Cummins and would rather they weren’t obviously in the top 3 fast bowlers in every format.

 

[Whiskers]

He says he did.

But trusting Tim David is another thing. Quote from him to umpire "I promised I appeal" to umpire.

Hard to hear a soft appeal from the outfield maybe?

 

[Daniel B]

That’s not controversial, he’s umpired to the laws of the game. These spoilt little brats don’t like it when they can’t get their own way

It wouldn't be if what he'd said was true, ie. no appeal. But it's pretty clear from David's reaction and the way he continued carrying on at the dugout that he'd appealed. Abood's deaf.

 

[MJG14]

He says he did.

But trusting Tim David is another thing. Quote from him to umpire "I promised I appeal" to umpire.

Seems like you don't like Tim David? You've been criticising him all night.

 

[PhatBoy]

Can someone please get a message to Sammy and Powell: STOP this stupid idea that we are a team who chases well and who should bowl first.

This works when a) you pick a team with several specialist bowlers and b) 3-4 batsmen who specialise in structuring an innings. Our side contains neither.

Win the toss, bat, and go out and f**king bludgeon the thing.

 

[Rustin Cohle]

Which is? You just auto review close run outs, no need for an umpire to manually ask for one.

It's a rule change, nothing to say about this scenario which was correctly managed by the umpire.

Nothing to review if there's no appeal.

 

[NYRB]

Seems like you don't like Tim David? You've been criticising him all night.

His talented and ive watched him across alot of T20 franchise tournaments.

He might be a good team man as well. I have been critical of him before this West Indies series. He comes across as a bit aloof and lazy.

Can someone please get a message to Sammy and Powell: STOP this stupid idea that we are a team who chases well and who should bowl first.

This works when a) you pick a team with several specialist bowlers and b) 3-4 batsmen who specialise in structuring an innings. Our side contains neither.

Win the toss, bat, and go out and f**king bludgeon the thing.

I would have given them a chance to defend that if they bat 1st.

Next game I reckon both teams should do reverse order , Aus bowl, WI bat first.

I think Perth Stadium wicket and ground will be harder to bash 6's though. More than Adelaide and Hobart, you have to look for those singles, 2s and 3s given the wider square boundaries.

 

[The Lobbster]

Quick rule update.

I believe that the fielding team has until the next delivery to appeal.

And there is precedent that suggests the Aussies were actually correct

Marsh's controversial wicket sparks debate

With the deciding match in the ODI series between NZ and Australia on a knife's edge, Mitch Marsh was dismissed caught off his foot after much on-field deliberation

www.cricket.com.au

Now in this Henry does appeal but given nothing actually happened until the big screen replay, it can be assumed this appeal was not heard.

However the point does stand that the Aussies should have more clearly appealed but that Gerad may have got this one wrong.

 

[Aussie pie]

No Inglis stays in..short in the middle order...yeah nah swap him with Inglis

short is an opener only

I put Short in that position for his all round ability, he’s a useful spinner and a good fielder and matches Inglis in batting so Short gets first crack.

 

[Goroyals22]

It wouldn't be if what he'd said was true, ie. no appeal. But it's pretty clear from David's reaction and the way he continued carrying on at the dugout that he'd appealed. Abood's deaf.

It was pretty clear from the vision showed David had no visable reaction to the dismissal unless you can lip read from the vision. He don’t rush in from point? He did put his arms up or jump in the air… he did nothing and just came out of it looking like a tool..

Marsh and the bowler both didn’t appeal as they didn’t think it was out.


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[Goroyals22]

Because the umpires always refer to TV umpire on run outs unless its ridiculously obvious like both players down one end of the ground. And there is no need for the players to risk a review to ever check a close run out.

Logically, the rule should be changed to just review anything close, like how they check every ball for a NB

You don’t need to appeal for no balls, you need to appeal for a wicket to be decided on … simple difference


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[Aussie pie]

So it looks like umpires can blatantly cheat now and ignore it when a player is out. You listen to the umpire he was so arrogant in what he was saying to the players, on a power trip.

 

[Chuckie357]

It wouldn't be if what he'd said was true, ie. no appeal. But it's pretty clear from David's reaction and the way he continued carrying on at the dugout that he'd appealed. Abood's deaf.

Do you know that for a fact? Did you see any one actually appeal? The tv coverage didn’t show anyone even when they showed a replay. Twice in one game he carried on like a spoilt brat and has a history of being a bad sport. Umpires call is final and he should accept it

 

[Goroyals22]

Quick rule update.

I believe that the fielding team has until the next delivery to appeal.

And there is precedent that suggests the Aussies were actually correct

Marsh's controversial wicket sparks debate

With the deciding match in the ODI series between NZ and Australia on a knife's edge, Mitch Marsh was dismissed caught off his foot after much on-field deliberation

www.cricket.com.au

Now in this Henry does appeal but given nothing actually happened until the big screen replay, it can be assumed this appeal was not heard.

However the point does stand that the Aussies should have more clearly appealed but that Gerad may have got this one wrong.

So the difference is there was an appeal of some sort which means the umpire can consider it….
There was no such viable or audible appeal tonight


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[The Lobbster]

Do you know that for a fact? Did you see any one actually appeal? The tv coverage didn’t show anyone even when they showed a replay. Twice in one game he carried on like a spoilt brat and has a history of being a bad sport. Umpires call is final and he should accept it

Unfortunately there is no rule disregarding appealing after a big screen replay and the rules are very clear that until the bowler begins the run up for their next delivery you can appeal at any time.

Now not liking the Aussies or David is fine and the way they talked to the umpire is certainly questionable and will likely lead to some fines.

However from my current understanding of the rules, the umpire was wrong here.

The Aussies ****ed up by not appealing more clearly originally and with their general conduct afterwards.

The stadium ****ed up by putting the replay on too early.

Abood ****ed up by not accepting the later appeal (from my understanding). Pretty poor situation all round

 

[The Lobbster]

So the difference is there was an appeal of some sort which means the umpire can consider it….
There was no such viable or audible appeal tonight


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No not at all. Henry’s mouthed appeal had no impact on that decision. If they had heard it originally they would have reviewed. Regardless, until the next delivery begins, they can appeal any time they want. It’s unusual definitely but within the rules. Now I’m not sure you could do DRS but that would depend on when the timer starts. But gut feel would be no DRS, but yes umpire reviews. Stadiums shouldn’t do replays that quickly though in these situations.

 

[NYRB]

Unfortunately there is no rule disregarding appealing after a big screen replay and the rules are very clear that until the bowler begins the run up for their next delivery you can appeal at any time.

Are you sure about this? I was watching a womens fixture involving Australia just recently, and Australia had 15 seconds to review I think an LBW decision.

At the ground (think it was North Sydney Oval) they showed a replay of that LBW , in that allowable 15 seconds to appeal at which point when the Australian women looked to appeal as it looked out on the screen. Im pretty certain there is a rule in an international cricket whereby if there is a replay on the screen and the players watch it on the screen- one then cant appeal that decision.

 

[The Lobbster]

Are you sure about this? I was watching a womens fixture involving Australia just recently, and Australia had 15 seconds to review I think an LBW decision.

At the ground (think it was North Sydney Oval) they showed a replay of that LBW , in that allowable 15 seconds to appeal at which point when the Australian women looked to appeal as it looked out on the screen. Im pretty certain there is a rule in an international cricket whereby if there is a replay on the screen and the players watch it on the screen- one then cant appeal that decision.

I believe that rule only applies to DRS. This was an umpire review. All the talk I’ve seen was that there is no explicit rule that should disallow this decision. If there is a rule it must have changed since 2016 as there was an umpire review conducted after a big screen replay. Not 100% sure tho just going on what others have said

 

[Goroyals22]

So it looks like umpires can blatantly cheat now and ignore it when a player is out. You listen to the umpire he was so arrogant in what he was saying to the players, on a power trip.

How did the umpire cheat? He didn’t have a decision to make as there was no appeal.: hopefully he reported a few players for dissent.


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[Moonwatcher]

Do you know that for a fact? Did you see any one actually appeal? The tv coverage didn’t show anyone even when they showed a replay. Twice in one game he carried on like a spoilt brat and has a history of being a bad sport. Umpires call is final and he should accept it

At the ground it appeared that no one appealed. Johnson certainly didn't.

 

[Moonwatcher]

Lucky it didn't affect the result

 

[Cmarsh]

Why is'nt Marsh under more scrutiny for this? Doesn't the buck stop with him and why didn't he take it upon himself to appeal as captain of the team?

 

[010203]

The Big Show, easily Australia’s greatest ever T20 player.

Candice wants words with you.

 

[burge13]

Why is the next game in the arvo? Doesnt suit anyone working in perth or the east. Pointless